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...because it allows the government to generate more revenue and thus be a more powerful force." -Peter Schiff
http://youtu.be/omsBltDLq5s?t=7m43s
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Capitalist corporations were happy to beg and plead Socialism when it came to bailing them out of their own bad behavior.
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The well educated Socialist also knows that every fascist regime has always been supported and paid for by corporations and private interests.
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Dear Arglebargle,
If things are so dire why don't you get off your poor oppressed ass and do something about it?
No, I didn't think so. Preach on poser! 
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Dear Arglebargle,
If things are so dire why don't you get off your poor oppressed ass and do something about it?
No, I didn't think so. Preach on poser!
He has badger, whining on IGN for over a decade is doing something but really doesn't make a difference.
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I think I figured out how you keep up the energy for constant outrage
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B_Shinkicker posted:
Capitalist corporations were happy to beg and plead Socialism when it came to bailing them out of their own bad behavior.
That's why its called fascism when businesses do it ... socialism when the people do it .... free markets when no one does it
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The differences are minor. Both facism and communism have a totalitarian core which represses freedom and libery and oppresses the people. The only minor difference is the economic system they both have. Of the two the capitalist economic system in teh far exreme is much more efficient than the socialist economic system in the far extreme.
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__Bonk__ posted:
Of the two the capitalist economic system in teh far exreme is much more efficient than the socialist economic system in the far extreme.
In the far extreme the capitalist economic system (U.S.) owes the the socialist economic system (china) trillions of dollars.
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__Bonk__ posted:
Of the two the capitalist economic system in teh far exreme is much more efficient than the socialist economic system in the far extreme.
In the far extreme the capitalist economic system (U.S.) owes the the socialist economic system (china) trillions of dollars.
The only reason China has trillions is becuase they have slowly converted communism to fascism ( Chinese law demands the Chinese government owns 51% of any business ) ....
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Brother_Tempus posted:
PhillsburyBandit posted:
__Bonk__ posted:
Of the two the capitalist economic system in teh far exreme is much more efficient than the socialist economic system in the far extreme.
In the far extreme the capitalist economic system (U.S.) owes the the socialist economic system (china) trillions of dollars.
The only reason China has trillions is becuase they have slowly converted communism to fascism ( Chinese law demands the Chinese government owns 51% of any business ) ....
They never converted to facism they just added it to their system. They are more sociaized than any country in the world right now.
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The Axis connection between National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy (with Italian propaganda laughably claiming that Mussolini was a major influence on Hitler’s thinking) led to a popular misconception that National Socialism is an offshoot of fascism, or a particular brand of fascism, when in fact the only relation between National Socialism and fascism was that they were both reactionary to the capitalist-communist dichotomy (which accounts for their shared views and political alliance). It should be noted that many in the NSDAP had become positively embittered towards fascism towards the end of WWII, considering it to have been a contributing cause of their defeat at the hands of the Zionist Allies.
“The roots go down to an overrating of Fascism. Blind to all disillusioning experiences of the First World War, Hitler seemed convinced, at least until 1943, that the will of Mussolini had made over the Italian people, had lifted them to a new level.†– Alfred Rosenberg
Nonetheless, Zionist agents have further pushed this conflation after WWII (smearing National Socialists as “fascistsâ€) in order to regulate National Socialism to a generic fascist strawman more easily dealt with by anti-fascist advocates. With the hostility between fascists and anti-fascists intensifying, it is important to realize that National Socialism stands politically apart from, and ideologically far above, this debate.
Will To Power vs Will To Freedom
“Fascism itself was not National Socialism, contrarily to what so many haters of both seem to think. It was a political — and economical — system; not a more-than-political creed; and it inspired a Movement of practical and immediate — of time-bound — significance, not one of cosmic scope.†– Savitri Devi
To say that National Socialism is a brand of fascism is equivalent to saying that veganism is a style of cooking; the statement is not technically incorrect, but is intellectually seditious by placing the focus on the manifestation rather than the cause.
The simplest way to understand the key difference between fascism and National Socialism is to inspect the essence of their rhetoric:
Fascism: If we work together, we will have the power to achieve any goal we want. (“It is humiliating to remain with our hands folded while others write history.†– Benito Mussolini)
National Socialism: This is our goal. The only way to achieve it is to work together. ( “They are inspired by the feeling that they have a mission to fulfill, and we might just as well egg them on a little.†– Adolf Hitler)
Fascism does not specify the goal first. Instead, it promises the individual a return for his investment of participation – in the form of national power to achieve arbitrary goals. In other words, power itself is the spiritual motivation for fascism, and the accomplishments of a fascist nation will always be mere frivolities to prove its power to itself or to others. National Socialism, on the other hand, insists that power is strictly the means to achieve the goal – ending exploitation - which is specified at the beginning and thereafter made the focal point onto which everything else converges. National Socialism motivates individual participation not by glory, but by duty.
Fascism can be perfectly successful even when nobody (including its leaders) actually knows or cares about the purpose for which a nation exists, so long as its leaders keep the nation strong. This is not the case with National Socialism, where loyalty to purpose is paramount. In practice, therefore, fascists are merely high-powered statists, whereas National Socialists are genuine ideological warriors. While some fascists mistakenly call themselves National Socialists (usually because they admire National Socialist Germany from their fascist perspective), the reverse does not happen. To call an authentic National Socialist a fascist is almost an insult, because it implies that he does not know why he fights.
A fascist nation has a possibility of developing into something more meaningful, for example when religion is able to supply the external purpose and the nation (including its leaders) takes religion seriously enough to pursue it, or when its leader understands and switches to National Socialism over time. With a view to promote this, alliances between National Socialists and fascists can be pursued for the sake of common practical goals (e.g. anti-Zionism) . However, National Socialists must be wary against degrading into fascists themselves, as the corrupting lures of power and glory are not to be underestimated. This is one challenge that National Socialist Germany did not last long enough to have to face.
Overman vs Foe Destroyer
“Lust for pleasure and so-called ‘glory’… is the mark of the barbarian.†– David Myatt
The supposed ideological connection between Nietzsche and Hitler is based on nothing more than a misleading photo-op of Hitler at the Nietzsche Archive in 1933, which he visited not on his own initiative but at the insistence of Elisabeth Forster (a financial donor to the NSDAP). There is no evidence that Hitler considered National Socialism to be in any way inspired by Nietzsche; on the contrary, during private conversations with such as Hans Schemm he denounced Thule Society members who attempted to suggest a Nietzschean origin to National Socialism. In fact, Hitler’s major philosophical influence was Schopenhauer, whom he studied both during WWI and later under Dietrich Eckart.
Internally, fascism is highly compatible with the concept of the Overman, and it is common for fascists to share attraction towards this idea in addition to their political views. In contrast (and despite what Zionist academia claims), National Socialism, which consistently associated itself with the Aryan mythos, is more compatible with the ancient concept of the Foe Destroyer (Arhat).
The difference between the two is that the Overman is advancement to a prospective condition (lit. by building ‘over’ the condition of ‘man’), whereas the Foe Destroyer is reversion to an original condition (lit. by ‘destroying’ the ‘foes’ that corrupted this condition). Hence the former is based on a non-Aryan spirituality of endless increase, whereas the latter is based on an Aryan spirituality of Original Nobility.
The Judgement of Paris
“The organization is only a necessary evil. At best it is only a means of reaching certain ends. The worst happens when it becomes an end in itself.†– Adolf Hitler
In mythology, the goddesses Hera, Athena and Aphrodite contested for Paris’ verdict of supreme beauty, with Aphrodite receiving his decision. The point here is not that Paris made the wrong choice; we as revolutionaries already know that Aphrodite was the wrong choice. The point of a three-way contest is to warn us that there are two wrong choices.
We suspect that those who confuse fascism with National Socialism are those who do not understand the difference between the gifts of Hera (who would make Paris the ruler of the most powerful kingdom in the world) and Athena (who would make Paris invincible in battle). Common interpretation would have us deduce that assurance of military dominance is obsolesced by assurance of political dominance, but this assumes that a nation’s soldiers exist to fight for the survival of the nation. Only by understanding that a nation has no reason to survive at all unless it fights for a transcendent purpose does Athena’s gift actually make sense.
Obviously, Hera’s gift and Athena’s gift would appeal to different kinds of people. We would expect the split to correlate very well with the split between fascists and National Socialists.
A second chance to choose may be approaching in the near future. If we get it wrong again, I really do not know how long we would have to wait until we get a third chance.
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China has trillions because it doesnt obey any green environmental laws and it has massively low wages and nearly slave labor. Its still just a big developing country
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So, does that mean fascism is better than socialism or worse than socialism?
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So, does that mean fascism is better than socialism or worse than socialism?
Yes?
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That's why its called fascism when businesses do it ... socialism when the people do it .... free markets when no one does it
Yeah, eff the people, right?
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They never converted to facism they just added it to their system.
So you are agreeing what I have said is correct ... thank you
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Groucho48 posted:
So, does that mean fascism is better than socialism or worse than socialism?
Depends if you are the one in power or not
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NuEM posted:
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That's why its called fascism when businesses do it ... socialism when the people do it .... free markets when no one does it
Yeah, eff the people, right?
Stealing is immoral regardless of who does it.
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