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Al Gore / AIT Index, Vol. 23: Global temperatures have plunged .56°F since An Inconvenient Truth was released
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All hail Obama, his efforts are working so quickly.
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Our activites is what keeps us out of another ice age. And while another ice age will not wipe out humanity it certainly would cripple society.
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Yeah apparently the IPCC decadal models used some big ASSumptions on water vapor increases that didn't pan out.
Oh well.
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i'm pissed they were wrong about my season between fall and spring!
sorry, not calling it winter. FEET below average in snow fall, average temp for the season in the high 40's...ya...NOT too pleased!
hell, i just had my snow total doubled with this 5" snow storm...too bad it's already just about gone though. already have *grass* showing in the middle of my yard!
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Yup because climates are constant from year to year? .56 F isn't exactly a plunge, and as you can see from your graph 2010 tied for the warmest year on record (records began in 1880).
How dumb do you have to be to see a record year, then a drop, and take that drop as somehow disproving global warming?
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Yup because climates are constant from year to year? .56 F isn't exactly a plunge, and as you can see from your graph 2010 tied for the warmest year on record (records began in 1880).
How dumb do you have to be to see a record year, then a drop, and take that drop as somehow disproving global warming?
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funny how .5 drop is nothing, but then you look back to where .5 was solid proof OF global warming 
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What I find hilarious is the obvious upward trend in that entire graph.
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Whatever you do, don't look at the low for 1985 or so...
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I have a degree in science.
whooopiedeedoo!
i have lots of degrees!
we have about 8 thermometers in the house 
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Funny, this is one of the most mild winters I can remember
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Funny, this is one of the most mild winters I can remember
this IS the mildest in my areas recorded history.
funny how it was supposed to be a BAD winter because of climate change right?
hotter summers, colder winters...good thing science is ever changing, they've been completely wrong for my area.
first day of winter was warmer than the average for August 
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Looking at history does not diminish the potency of global warming, but only increases it. The slope of change is much higher than any normal temperature fluctuation (not including catastrophic events like a meteor impact). An ice age is more extreme, but it happens due to changes which occur over many millenia.
Science, conservatives don't know how to use it.
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age of the planet
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oh my god we didn't include the first billion years of earth's climate!?!?! darn all our calculations are off, way off! hahahaha.
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age of the planet
global warming sample set
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oh my god we didn't include the first billion years of earth's climate!?!?! darn all our calculations are off, way off! hahahaha.
no, the issue is that there could be natural trends over the extremely long periods of time that we are not seeing due to not having the data available. the smaller your sample size (for any kind of research) the greater the chance for inaccuracies.
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All hail Obama, his efforts are working so quickly.
Thanks Combat.
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All hail Obama, his efforts are working so quickly.
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age of the planet
global warming sample set
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oh my god we didn't include the first billion years of earth's climate!?!?! darn all our calculations are off, way off! hahahaha.
no, the issue is that there could be natural trends over the extremely long periods of time that we are not seeing due to not having the data available. the smaller your sample size (for any kind of research) the greater the chance for inaccuracies.
if you know that a particular sample size is too small, doesn't that imply that you know how big it should be? so please, if you think the sample size is too small, let everyone know how much data you do need and how far back. lolol
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the only proof i need is to look at a day in august where i had a frost 3 nights in a row that killed off most of my garden.
then i look at hitting 70 in the winter and it's even more proof.
global warming is not real...climate change was a farce because they only renamed their money maker because warming was not exactly fitting what was happening.
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[quote=Bat_Avenger]age of the planet
global warming sample set
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oh my god we didn't include the first billion years of earth's climate!?!?! darn all our calculations are off, way off! hahahaha.
no, the issue is that there could be natural trends over the extremely long periods of time that we are not seeing due to not having the data available. the smaller your sample size (for any kind of research) the greater the chance for inaccuracies.
if you know that a particular sample size is too small, doesn't that imply that you know how big it should be? so please, if you think the sample size is too small, let everyone know how much data you do need and how far back. lolol
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well more than 33 years I should think (that's what OP's chart covers anyways)...something more on the lines of 200 would be my guess. The last 200 years are when we (humans) have effected the climate the most I would think.
are you actually trying to imply that 30 years is enough to tell whether or not there are natural climate changes on Earth? This planet is millions and millions of years old, do you honestly think there isn't the slightest possibility that there is a natural climate change that takes longer than 30 years to show?
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umm.. reading comprehension anyone?
where did i say it is too small? are you denying that having smaller data sets leads to less accurate results? the previous point was at least somewhat valid. you have a huge history of the planet with only a relatively very small (and recent) set of recorded data. from this, predictions for the future, and claims wrt the cause are being made. you cannot determine the number of people on the planet based on how many babies were born in canada (or even expand it to the whole world) this year. you'd need more data, from multiple previous years, or even looking at other factors as well (death rates for example) in order to get an even remotely accurate result.
i applaud people for trying to discover why certain things are happening, but the limits of our knowledge need to be accepted as well.
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I realize that our resident experts have pronounced that warming is still alive and well but 2 of the foremost global warming alarmist institutions have admitted we haven't warmed in 15 years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html
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the only proof i need is to look at a day in august where i had a frost 3 nights in a row that killed off most of my garden.
then i look at hitting 70 in the winter and it's even more proof.
global warming is not real...climate change was a farce because they only renamed their money maker because warming was not exactly fitting what was happening.
speaking of sample sizes. here comes the guy with a sample size of 3 days, lol.
i'm not a climate scientist, i assume they have the best knowledge. I am merely siding with the authority i think is most knowledgeable- in other words, not conservative blogs. at least scientists have reasons and data to support their idea of an accurate sample size. all the eminent critical thinkers of ACF can come up with is: smaller is worse! no duh?
it's just hilarious to me anyone is pretending to come up with their own conclusions. climate is complicated and chaotic, unless you can read the literature yourself you are ultimately siding with an authority on the subject. some ACFERs choose to believe conservative blogs, other don't.
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but when the 'experts' disagree, what are you left with? i mean right above your post we have an article about research by some 'experts' that disagrees with what you've said here. you say you aren't knowledgeable on the topic, but then deciding for yourself who is and isn't, and which person to believe. now, i don't read any blogs, and i didn't stay at a holiday inn express last night, but i am not arguing the point, just the process. disagreement is a good thing, it leads to more questions, and that is where science starts. declaring one person to be right and all others wrong simply because it happens to align most closely with your own belief does not get us anywhere.
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the only proof i need is to look at a day in august where i had a frost 3 nights in a row that killed off most of my garden.
then i look at hitting 70 in the winter and it's even more proof.
global warming is not real...climate change was a farce because they only renamed their money maker because warming was not exactly fitting what was happening.
speaking of sample sizes. here comes the guy with a sample size of 3 days, lol.
i'm not a climate scientist, i assume they have the best knowledge. I am merely siding with the authority i think is most knowledgeable- in other words, not conservative blogs. at least scientists have reasons and data to support their idea of an accurate sample size. all the eminent critical thinkers of ACF can come up with is: smaller is worse! no duh?
it's just hilarious to me anyone is pretending to come up with their own conclusions. climate is complicated and chaotic, unless you can read the literature yourself you are ultimately siding with an authority on the subject. some ACFERs choose to believe conservative blogs, other don't.
why laugh at my sample size?
what makes mine worse than the above?
WTF!
you know what's hilarious to me?
the attention people pay to things like this on ACF...there are a few that will think i am serious with my above sample and all 
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but i am not arguing the point
haha. you must be a dumb troll then.
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but i am not arguing the point
haha. you must be a dumb troll then.
I am a very bad troll, I don't have near the experience that most of you have. I still try to have a discussion here, silly me. and how can i argue the issue of climate change if, like everyone else here, i am not an expert on it. the scientific process however, i am quite familiar with.
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what's the point of speculating about sample sizes when neither of us can do anything but guess about how much data and how far back we need? it's not a discussion, it's totally empty speculation.
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if you want to really be able to speak with as much certainty as we are capable of, then you need data that goes all the way back. in order to determine what is going on and why on a global scale you need to be able to see what has happened over the entire history. do you know what the climate trends were like 4000 years ago? 6000? to say that humanity is not influencing nature is absurd, every creature has an impact on everything else in some way or another. however to say that the cause of the changes in global climate is due to human actions is also absurd, with the limited knowledge we have. IF the climate goes through this sort of trend on a long term (call it hundreds, even thousands of years), then perhaps there is no significant impact due to our actions. but we don't know, because we don't have that data.
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tantallous posted:
if you want to really be able to speak with as much certainty as we are capable of, then you need data that goes all the way back. in order to determine what is going on and why on a global scale you need to be able to see what has happened over the entire history.
how do you know that what happened "all the way back" is relevant???? don't you have to know something about climate to know that? is the first billion years of earth relevant? you just implied it was when you said we have to go all the way back.
anyways, you're just spouting nonsense now. sorry, bro. cya...
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The USA deserves to be a second rate country with the stupidity that I see exhibited on a daily basis by the Republican "we be deliberately stupid cause the Oil companies have bought our leaders".
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The USA deserves to be a second rate country with the stupidity that I see exhibited on a daily basis by the Republican "we be deliberately stupid cause the Oil companies have bought our leaders".
and you limit it to Republicans?
how about the oil covered pockets of Democrats?
sad really that a go green policy has increased government fuel usage. 
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A transition to pay as you go solar is an investment.
That is not the same as denying science over faith.
Sure there are rabid environmentalist, that defy logic, I deal with them all the time.
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solar?
i was talking about hybrids.
failed policy that for some agencies is more than TRIPLING their fuel consumption and that is also ignoring repair costs.
pretty sad that the administration ignores the fact that a v-8 pickup has a lower fuel consumption than a hybrid SUV in the same application.
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The USA deserves to be a second rate country with the stupidity that I see exhibited on a daily basis...
We are well on our way. Just a matter of time.
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All fossil fuels are solar, stored solar.
Everyone knows that presently that the alcohol fuels are less efficient and bio diesel is costly, so what, once oil prices reach a certain level we won;'t have much choice but to change.
The question is do we get ready and invest in the eventual transition, or do we sit around and wait like lemmings to jump off a cliff.
Remember the story of the three pigs.
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tantallous posted:
but when the 'experts' disagree, what are you left with? i mean right above your post we have an article about research by some 'experts' that disagrees with what you've said here. you say you aren't knowledgeable on the topic, but then deciding for yourself who is and isn't, and which person to believe. now, i don't read any blogs, and i didn't stay at a holiday inn express last night, but i am not arguing the point, just the process. disagreement is a good thing, it leads to more questions, and that is where science starts. declaring one person to be right and all others wrong simply because it happens to align most closely with your own belief does not get us anywhere.
The experts don't disagree. The amount of scientists who believe that global warming is occurring (and man-made) is an extreme majority (over 80%, higher in relevant areas of study).
The global temperature increase is not consistent between regions. The Northern latitudes, like Russia, Canada, the Artic, and Greenland have increased at twice the average rate. This has led to an unprecedented retreat of glaciers and permafrost.
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It seems Republicans knew better the whole time.
Score one for the right wing.
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