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Where you have people back there baking the real bread/buns etc. using things like flour, salt, yeast, water without the other junk. Everything could be real food. Wouldn't people start going there instead of the other places?
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Real food is not very often fast.
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Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
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Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
Oh? We don't have those here but I have heard of them. I didn't realize they did that.
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The simple answer is, if someone could make money at it, they'd be doing it already.
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It would be hard to do with a real menu. In n Out is a niche. Their menu consists of like three things but those three things are all made there with fresh ingredients and are made well. To do something like that with a bigger menu would be tough to do I would think.
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Real food is not very often fast.
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Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
Oh? We don't have those here but I have heard of them. I didn't realize they did that.
the last time I ate there they gave me a mostly raw burger...
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Jezza_Belle posted:
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Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
Oh? We don't have those here but I have heard of them. I didn't realize they did that.
the last time I ate there they gave me a mostly raw burger...
That's because it was fresh right off of the cow.
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Not sure about In & Out's buns, but everything else I think from them is fresh. Like when you go in you will see someone take a potato, and make french fries from it for example.
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[quote=Kordirn]Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
Oh? We don't have those here but I have heard of them. I didn't realize they did that.
the last time I ate there they gave me a mostly raw burger...
That's because it was fresh right off of the cow.[/quote]
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Well you see cost management, marketing, and addiction values come into play Ferrydust. Also training, management, hygiene. There are lots of factors to consider and I'm sure the executives at McDonalds know how to run a business better than you do.
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Steak 'N Shake basically does that.
They don't make their own bread but everything else is made as you order it.
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Well you see cost management, marketing, and addiction values come into play Ferrydust. Also training, management, hygiene. There are lots of factors to consider and I'm sure the executives at McDonalds know how to run a business better than you do.
There's a different between running a business and making crap tons of money from running a business. If McDonalds cared about the food and the customers they are selling it to it wouldn't be crap. Their niche is undercutting all other restaurants through the use of underpayed staff, wide location exposure and processed profanity ingredients
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Pretty much is already done at 5 Guys Burgers.
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Oh we have a 5 guys burgers here but I have never tried it!
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Oh we have a 5 guys burgers here but I have never tried it!
DE and I both tried the one near us and found that it wasn't as good as everyone raves about around here, and rather expensive for what it was. So be aware that they might have regional differences.
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we just had one open here last week
AS ADVERTISED!! Awesome burger.....
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not fond of 5 guys, in n out, or whatever that 3rd one is
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Pretty much is already done at 5 Guys Burgers.
I hear its good but is that actually true?
Is their ingredient's local and never frozen like in & out burger? Do they actually use potato's to make their fries or is it frozen crap that is reheated?
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Oh we have a 5 guys burgers here but I have never tried it!
DE, Reapist and I both tried the one near us and found that it wasn't as good as everyone raves about around here, and rather expensive for what it was. So be aware that they might have regional differences.
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Oh we have a 5 guys burgers here but I have never tried it!
DE, Reapist and I both tried the one near us and found that it wasn't as good as everyone raves about around here, and rather expensive for what it was. So be aware that they might have regional differences.
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Yeah, I'm not too impressed. You make a better burger yourself.
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Yeah, I'm not too impressed. You make a better burger yourself.
thats about what I thought of it, that it was a poorly made home style burger.
mostly grease
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The best fast food is pizza which can (not always is) be made from entirely whole ingredients.
The fast food chains make a lot of money on the multiplier which means that they need serious mass production and uniformity. They also don't need people who actually know anything or have any talent preparing their products. They just need people who can get through a simple training process and follow instructions.
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The best fast food is pizza which can (not always is) be made from entirely whole ingredients.
The fast food chains make a lot of money on the multiplier which means that they need serious mass production and uniformity. They also don't need people who actually know anything or have any talent preparing their products. They just need people who can get through a simple training process and follow instructions.
Eh, making the dough from scratch isn't easy. That was my job for a while and you have to feel the humidity to know how to adjust the yeast and that just comes from experience.
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Steak 'N Shake basically does that.
They don't make their own bread but everything else is made as you order it.
Everything at Steak n' Shake tastes like my elbow.
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Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
and rubios.
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That's my point, you need some talent to make real food. Once you have some talent, good ingredients and the right equipment, you can crank out a LOT of pizza in a busy location.
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Oh we have a 5 guys burgers here but I have never tried it!
DE and I both tried the one near us and found that it wasn't as good as everyone raves about around here, and rather expensive for what it was. So be aware that they might have regional differences.
they must be regionally different. the one by my house is never greasy, the bacon is not fatty and is always cooked just the way i like it (crispy as hell.) and everything tastes great. the only thing i don't really like is their fries. they're always mushy. so i place my 5 guys order online, go to sonic and get tots and a drink there, then pick up my 5 guys burger and it's the perfectly unhealthy fastfood meal. 
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Oh we have a 5 guys burgers here but I have never tried it!
DE and I both tried the one near us and found that it wasn't as good as everyone raves about around here, and rather expensive for what it was. So be aware that they might have regional differences.
they must be regionally different. the one by my house is never greasy, the bacon is not fatty and is always cooked just the way i like it (crispy as hell.) and everything tastes great. the only thing i don't really like is their fries. they're always mushy. so i place my 5 guys order online, go to sonic and get tots and a drink there, then pick up my 5 guys burger and it's the perfectly unhealthy fastfood meal.
To make that happen here, it would be a 45 mile drive from one restaurant to the other, then 25 miles back home 
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fast food 
i think ive ate out 3 times in 2011-2012 just out of pure necessity
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fast food
i think ive ate out 3 times in 2011-2012 just out of pure necessity
must suck to be that poor.
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Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
and rubios.
Rubios has never been good in my experience.
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i've tried 3 different 5 guys in Northern VA and they are were greasy
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i've tried 3 different 5 guys in Northern VA and they are were greasy
Well profanity. Are they or were they?!?
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Kordirn posted:
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Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
and rubios.
Rubios has never been good in my experience.
maybe because you're so far north? the ones down here are amazing.
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Steak 'N Shake basically does that.
They don't make their own bread but everything else is made as you order it.
Everything at Steak n' Shake tastes like my elbow.
How would you know what your elbow tastes like?? [face-yuck!]
I wonder, though, why some wealthy/celebrity-type person doesn't do this in a sort of philanthropy-type restaurant. I would think that such a place would rake in the bucks because if I had a choice of going to a fast-food place vs. a restaurant that made real, honest-to-goodness food, I'd gladly pay the difference.
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Steak 'N Shake basically does that. They don't make their own bread but everything else is made as you order it.
Everything at Steak n' Shake tastes like my elbow.
How would you know what your elbow tastes like?? [face-yuck!] I wonder, though, why some wealthy/celebrity-type person doesn't do this in a sort of philanthropy-type restaurant. I would think that such a place would rake in the bucks because if I had a choice of going to a fast-food place vs. a restaurant that made real, honest-to-goodness food, I'd gladly pay the difference.
most celebrity owned restaurants never make it cause they are just being promoted on the name and no one looks after the quality of the food/service. Plus people go there expecting to see the celebrity that owns it only to find out the only time the celebrity was ever in the restaurant was when it was opened for like five minutes and then left(even if that)
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Pretty much is already done at In & Out burger.
and rubios.
Rubios has never been good in my experience.
maybe because you're so far north? the ones down here are amazing.
Region is everything with ethnic foods, North has amazing Asian food, South has amazing Mexican food.
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I don't live that far north... and with the amount of mexicans around here I would assume there must be some that are competent cooks.
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I don't live that far north... and with the amount of mexicans around here I would assume there must be some that are competent cooks.
We have tons of Mexicans here, but the white folks around here have gotten used to bland Mexican food over the years, an "Authentic" restaurant opens up and it's not long until they've followed suit. I guess it's all about clientele, the farther south you go the more Mexicans eat at Mexican restaurants.
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Making food from scratch takes a lot of time and a lot of experienced and dependable employees. If you use quality ingredients, so that the food you produce is actually worth all that effort, it will also cost a lot more in just the food cost (without adding in all that labor) than mass produced, crap fast food.
You can buy a case of 40 crappy 1/4lb frozen burgers for 12 bucks. 10lbs of quality meat to grind your own burgers will cost you 3 times that. Then you have to pay for the grinder, the guy who trims and grinds the meat, and the guy who knows how to cook a decent burger (not throw a frozen one on a conveyor cooker).
So instead of a crappy burger for 3 bucks, you get a quality burger for 9 bucks....and the profit margin on the crappy one is higher. And they are both still just hamburgers. The difference between good and crappy is huge, but hell....it's a burger. People in this country are used to eating crappy burgers, just put on more ketchup.
You can make scratch food and make a good profit if you aren't serving huge pieces of protein on bread, that's why some of the best scratch food is found in ethnic places. Thai, Chinese, Ethiopian, and fusion places can all make a great product from scratch without a ton of labor (simple, cheap, ingredients combined in skillful ways).
Some of the food trucks out there make an amazing product that is almost completely from scratch, all items created in house. It's fresh, fast, and amazing. It's also cheap, but still about twice what you would pay at McD's. And McD's still makes a higher profit margin and has lower labor costs.
No public company would last long (Even if they were wildly popular and making huge amounts of money) with that formula....cause the board would want to maximize short term profit to maximize their bonus checks and destroy what made the company great, unconcerned with the consequences because by the time it fell apart, they would have been called "superstars" for upping the profits....and gone on to take a higher paying job somewhere else. So no national chain will ever do it (5 guys is a perfect example of this, they are already going waaaaay downhill in quality and using many more frozen and mass produced items). Regional chains under the control of one person or family could pull it off, but why would they? More money in selling crap.
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The simple answer is, if someone could make money at it, they'd be doing it already.
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We used to have this Organic fast food place. It was sooooo good. Really yummy food. The service was still pretty fast and the prices weren't too bad. But they were not in a part of town that was conducive to their product (by a mall with KFC/Burger King/etc). They ended up moving their store to Toronto.
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they do but they usually are local mom n pop joints.
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i've tried 3 different 5 guys in Northern VA and they are were greasy
Well profanity. Are they or were they?!?
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