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A wealthy New York woman is facing criminal charges after being accused of keeping an illegal immigrant as an indentured servant and forcing her to live in a closet for nearly six years.

Documents posted on the Smoking Gun allege that Annie George, 39, and her now-deceased husband, Mathai Kolath George, hired an illegal immigrant from the Indian state of Kerala. The immigrant, identified only as "V.M.," was promised about $1,000 a month in wages to live in the family's 34-room, 30,000-square-foot home, known as Llenroc mansion, which houses a helicopter pad, 15 fireplaces, marble flooring, 24-karat gold gilded ceilings and a glass elevator. V.M. was tasked with taking care of the Georges' four young children, along with performing household duties in the mansion located about 20 miles north of Albany.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/mansion-servant-enslaved-uber-rich-york-family-six-201707220.html

 

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a closet in a 30,000 sqft mansion is better than a mud hut


i see nothing wrong with owning a few Mexicans

 

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Yeah but she was asian.

 

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even better

 

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i think the rule is


if you own a helicopter pad and or 15 fireplaces

you can do whatever the f*** you want

 

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there are TONS of nanny jobs that instead of getting paid, you get room and board. She even got paid, and in a mansion that size, a closet could easily be the size of a dorm room.

I had an apartment with a walk-in closet that was big enough that it ended up being my daughter's room when she was a toddler.

 

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FineYoungCannibals posted:
i think the rule is


if you own a helicopter pad and or 15 fireplaces

you can do whatever the f*** you want


I think I can add 15 fireplaces to my house pretty easily. The heat from all of them running would cause objects to combust, though.

 

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there are TONS of nanny jobs that instead of getting paid, you get room and board. She even got paid, and in a mansion that size, a closet could easily be the size of a dorm room.

I had an apartment with a walk-in closet that was big enough that it ended up being my daughter's room when she was a toddler.
Try reading the article next time.

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Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.
All told, V.M. received only about $29,000 over the five and a half years she was forced to work for the George family.

 

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ferdinand.the.great posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
there are TONS of nanny jobs that instead of getting paid, you get room and board. She even got paid, and in a mansion that size, a closet could easily be the size of a dorm room.

I had an apartment with a walk-in closet that was big enough that it ended up being my daughter's room when she was a toddler.
Try reading the article next time.

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Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.
All told, V.M. received only about $29,000 over the five and a half years she was forced to work for the George family.




I'm not sure what you're saying. I did read the article, and your post doesn't discount anything I said... she worked, she made money and got room and board. Which is a better deal than a lot of Nanny jobs that don't pay anything, are just room and board in exchange for child care.

I'm not saying that it was an OK situation, I'm just putting into perspective their "spin" on the situation.

 

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[quote=Jezza_Belle]I CAN LITERALLY JUSTIFY ANYTHING
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Ron Paul is for slavery, there for I am for slavery.

No problems with this at all.

 

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at least she wasnt being a waitress and waiting for hand outs.

 

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Sounds like a fair deal. She got to live the lifestyle of the .00001%. How much is that worth?

 

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For several years we had au pairs who cared for our children in exchange for room and board plus some "pocket money".

1. They had their own bedroom, not a closet (though I can understand that in a palatial mansion a closet can be as large as a small bedroom). Our house is not large, but for the time they were with us, our home was their home.

2. They were limited in the number of hours they could work -- not more than ten hours a day, not more than 45 hours a week. Child care is tiring, and I think 17 hours a day is way too much.

3. They had health care and dental care provided through the agency, which our fees helped pay for.

4. They were required to take classes, for which the agency provided reimbursement...again, paid for by the fees we gave to the agency.

5. Other than the normal restrictions that come with being on a J-1 visa, when they weren't "on duty", they could do pretty much as they liked. They had time off and leisure time. We would never have considered confiscating a girl's passport to restrict her movements -- such a thing would be unthinkable, it amounts to slavery, and I am amazed and appalled that anyone would do this.

I understand that to some people hired help aren't "people", but I frankly have trouble comprehending that attitude. But then, I grew up poor and can't see myself as better than any other hard worker who's doing an honest job.

 

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For several years we had au pairs who cared for our children in exchange for room and board plus some "pocket money".

1. They had their own bedroom, not a closet (though I can understand that in a palatial mansion a closet can be as large as a small bedroom). Our house is not large, but for the time they were with us, our home was their home.

2. They were limited in the number of hours they could work -- not more than ten hours a day, not more than 45 hours a week. Child care is tiring, and I think 17 hours a day is way too much.

3. They had health care and dental care provided through the agency, which our fees helped pay for.

4. They were required to take classes, for which the agency provided reimbursement...again, paid for by the fees we gave to the agency.

5. Other than the normal restrictions that come with being on a J-1 visa, when they weren't "on duty", they could do pretty much as they liked. They had time off and leisure time. We would never have considered confiscating a girl's passport to restrict her movements -- such a thing would be unthinkable, it amounts to slavery, and I am amazed and appalled that anyone would do this.

I understand that to some people hired help aren't "people", but I frankly have trouble comprehending that attitude. But then, I grew up poor and can't see myself as better than any other hard worker who's doing an honest job.


Mad you didnt think of it first. I see.

 

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Slavery is part of the GOP economic plan. Abolish the minimum wage law and what do you get?

 

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Slavery is part of the GOP economic plan. Abolish the minimum wage law and what do you get?


People negotiating their own wages.

 

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Abolish the minimum wage law and what do you get?
More jobs, cheaper goods, fairer labor market.

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Rhodoman posted:
Terminius_Est posted:
Abolish the minimum wage law and what do you get?
More jobs, cheaper goods, fairer labor market.

Rho
It's so simple! One line magic! Just parrot the Republican pamphlets, no need to think.

 

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I hope she is a millionaire after this is over.

 

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Ah-Schoo posted:
It's so simple! One line magic! Just parrot the Republican pamphlets, no need to think.
If you do your thinking for yourself, there's no need to parrot. Also, once you think things through, they're usually expressible simply.

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I hope she is a millionaire after this is over.


Not me. I hope they deport her illegal ass back to that third world toilet whence she came!!!!!! angry

 

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Rhodoman posted:
Ah-Schoo posted:
It's so simple! One line magic! Just parrot the Republican pamphlets, no need to think.
If you do your thinking for yourself, there's no need to parrot. Also, once you think things through, they're usually expressible simply.

Rho


It is so obvious. While a minimum wage is surely unconstitutional, it is after all just a wage minimum....a floor. A minimum wage is a micro tool that saves companies money on a macro level. It's a starting point in a salary contract negotiation, plain and simple. The only conceivable reason millions of Americans are paid that minimum wage is based solely off the fact that they are poor negotiators. If that wage floor is abolished, and some people are paid 30 cents per hour by a corporation, again, it is surely only because that one employee applicant is not a skilled negotiator.

This principle works in exactly the same way all price points work. For example, the only reason we pay prices listed in grocery stores is because we are not a skilled enough negotiator to get those prices reduced at the point of sale. At every purchase (micro), we do a profanity job of haggling down the price of the canned beets we're buying, which means the store doesn't budge off its listed price (macro).

 

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I hope she is a millionaire after this is over.





lawyers all over are hard over this one


back pay, overtime, pain and suffering

5-10 million easy

 

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Second_Chance posted:
Rhodoman posted:
Ah-Schoo posted:
It's so simple! One line magic! Just parrot the Republican pamphlets, no need to think.
If you do your thinking for yourself, there's no need to parrot. Also, once you think things through, they're usually expressible simply.

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It is so obvious. While a minimum wage is surely unconstitutional, it is after all just a wage minimum....a floor. A minimum wage is a micro tool that saves companies money on a macro level. It's a starting point in a salary contract negotiation, plain and simple. The only conceivable reason millions of Americans are paid that minimum wage is based solely off the fact that they are poor negotiators. If that wage floor is abolished, and some people are paid 30 cents per hour by a corporation, again, it is surely only because that one employee applicant is not a skilled negotiator.

This principle works in exactly the same way all price points work. For example, the only reason we pay prices listed in grocery stores is because we are not a skilled enough negotiator to get those prices reduced at the point of sale. At every purchase (micro), we do a profanity job of haggling down the price of the canned beets we're buying, which means the store doesn't budge off its listed price (macro).


If you are self employed, you can voluntarily work for less than minimum wage. But you can't voluntarily work for less than minimum wage if you are an employee of that same person doing the exact same job.

 

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Llenroc Estate

The family that FORCED this woman to work 17 hours a day/7 days a week, has already had Karma strike and it sounds like more is on the way.


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Second_Chance posted:
For example, the only reason we pay prices listed in grocery stores is because we are not a skilled enough negotiator to get those prices reduced at the point of sale. At every purchase (micro), we do a profanity job of haggling down the price of the canned beets we're buying, which means the store doesn't budge off its listed price (macro).
When dealing with a vendor like a grocery store, they don't usually change their prices based on haggling, but by how many people buy an item at a given price.

When I shop for groceries and see an item that I'd like that costs more than I think it should, I put it in my basket, take it to the checkout counter and then mention to the checker that I won't be buying it because of it's price. It's about the only action I think might make any active difference in the way they price stuff.

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Minimum wage jobs are for teenagers. They're not for adults to try to raise a family on. If you dont dont have marketable skills or a degree by the time you're 25, then you lost at the game of life.


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WORK, MEXICAN, WORK

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Llenroc Estate

The family that FORCED this woman to work 17 hours a day/7 days a week, has already had Karma strike and it sounds like more is on the way.


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Listed at 12.9 million, that's a huge bargain.

 

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lucky duck!

 

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[quote=Jezza_Belle]I CAN LITERALLY JUSTIFY ANYTHING
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[quote=Jezza_Belle]I CAN LITERALLY JUSTIFY ANYTHING
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yes, by removing the spin pulling at your heartstrings I'm justifying something.

 

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[quote=Jezza_Belle]I CAN LITERALLY JUSTIFY ANYTHING
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yes, by removing the spin pulling at your heartstrings I'm justifying something.


what heart strings, these people blatantly ignored federal labor laws.

I dont know how you can justify indentured servitude at any level.

 

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[quote=Sgian_Dubh][quote=Jezza_Belle]I CAN LITERALLY JUSTIFY ANYTHING
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yes, by removing the spin pulling at your heartstrings I'm justifying something.


what heart strings, these people blatantly ignored federal labor laws.

I dont know how you can justify indentured servitude at any level.[/quote]

I think it's because you're too stupid to realize that I wasn't justifying anything, only putting it into perspective.

 

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Jezza_Belle posted:
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yes, by removing the spin pulling at your heartstrings I'm justifying something.


Conned into moving to a foreign country, and forced to work 17 hour days, 7 days a week, for 6 years straight. She was "given" the privilege of an expansive "closet" as her home for those 6 years. This family broke state and federal labor laws, state and federal tax laws, state and federal immigration laws, and likely international human trafficking statutes.

Or, in other words, now someone is gonna pull at your heart strings because some thankless dirty foreign whore didn't lick Lady Liberty's cooch for her opportunity at indentured servitude, 3 hots, and a cot.

 

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Perspective really?

They had a slave that was imprisoned in their home. What perspective this isnt the 1800's when Kunta Kinte was bought and sold like livestock.

So I guess its ok for the rich to treat the poor and wretched with disdain and disrespect?

As long as it is put in perspective?

 

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His name...is Toby. shame_on_you

 

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rich people are a better class, poor people are poor



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FineYoungCannibals posted:
rich people are a better class, poor people are poor



4000 years of history will back me up


until the poor get pissed off.

examples The French Revolution, and The Bolshevik Revolution

 

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Yes, the perspective that being held against her will was bad enough. There is no need to blow the work she did out of perspective.

She wasn't paid minimum wage, most illegals aren't.

She lived in a closet, but we don't know how large it was. have you ever seen the shacks illegals live in when they pick your fruit? I'd choose a closet ANY DAY over those.

The horrific part is that she wasn't allowed to leave. This is the difference over the other millions of illegal workers.

 

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Yes, the perspective that being held against her will was bad enough. There is no need to blow the work she did out of perspective.

She wasn't paid minimum wage, most illegals aren't.

She lived in a closet, but we don't know how large it was. have you ever seen the shacks illegals live in when they pick your fruit? I'd choose a closet ANY DAY over those.

The horrific part is that she wasn't allowed to leave. This is the difference over the other millions of illegal workers.


thats pretty much the definition of slavery.

 

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Yes, the perspective that being held against her will was bad enough. There is no need to blow the work she did out of perspective.

She wasn't paid minimum wage, most illegals aren't.

She lived in a closet, but we don't know how large it was. have you ever seen the shacks illegals live in when they pick your fruit? I'd choose a closet ANY DAY over those.

The horrific part is that she wasn't allowed to leave. This is the difference over the other millions of illegal workers.


thats pretty much the definition of slavery.




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how do you imprison someone in a 30,000 sqft house


other people working there would had helped her, a house that size must have 10 cars and 30 phones

give me a break


she does deserve a lot of money for back pay, ot, vacation pay ect but not anything criminal

 

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Ah-Schoo posted:
It's so simple! One line magic! Just parrot the Republican pamphlets, no need to think.
If you do your thinking for yourself, there's no need to parrot. Also, once you think things through, they're usually expressible simply.

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And what about those who can't negotiate because they have nothing? Are they to accept $1 an hour to keep from starving while never having a way to better their situation?

 

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ACX posted:
Rhodoman posted:
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It's so simple! One line magic! Just parrot the Republican pamphlets, no need to think.
If you do your thinking for yourself, there's no need to parrot. Also, once you think things through, they're usually expressible simply.

Rho
And what about those who can't negotiate because they have nothing? Are they to accept $1 an hour to keep from starving while never having a way to better their situation?
Once they start working and earning whatever they can, they won't have nothing anymore.

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ACX posted:
Rhodoman posted:
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It's so simple! One line magic! Just parrot the Republican pamphlets, no need to think.
If you do your thinking for yourself, there's no need to parrot. Also, once you think things through, they're usually expressible simply.

Rho


And what about those who can't negotiate because they have nothing? Are they to accept $1 an hour to keep from starving while never having a way to better their situation?
Shush, Rho already fixed the economy, it's simple!

 

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Often when I see Rho post this quote pops to mind

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken

Bumper sticker philosophy feels good but it's what got us 8 years of GWB and a hangover that still hurts.

 

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Mencken, too, knew the power of brevity.

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