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Do you open all your windows..or make sure everything is closed up?
Growing up..we were always told during a tornado watch to make sure your windows are open to lessen the pressure..now I hear keep everything closed up..what do you think?
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It doesn't matter. They are so quick and so power full that if they are close enough to change the pressure in your house it's all ready taking your roof off.
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Opening windows is actually dangerous as it creates a way for the wind to get inside the house and causes outward pressure on the structure. Of course with anything above an F3 it really doesn't matter.
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Considering most homes are built to only withstand 80 -120 mph winds I dont think it makes any difference when talking about a tornado. Now if you were talking about hurricanes then yes keep windows closed.
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I keep them closed as tight as possible
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Watch the mythbusters episode on it.
In short: keep windows closed
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Or you could just move...
Living around a bunch of people that God obviously hates is not a good idea IMO.
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i grew up in a tornado area. i never heard anyone say to open your windows
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If you are driving a motorcycle through the Midwest can you outrun a Tornado if you see it heading your way? Also has anyone ever built a tornado suit with a parachute and some protective armor where you launch yourself into the tornado and then float down in Munchkinland? Huh?
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If you are driving a motorcycle through the Midwest can you outrun a Tornado if you see it heading your way?
Easily. Hell you can usually jog out of a tornado's way - provided that you see it coming.
Once again though, once it gets to F3 or better, all bets are off.
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Also has anyone ever built a tornado suit with a parachute and some protective armor where you launch yourself into the tornado and then float down in Munchkinland? Huh?
Being tossed by a tornado that's pushing objects at 120 MPH or more means that all the protective gear in the world is useless. That's approaching the terminal velocity of someone jumping out of a plane at 10,000 feet. If you think you can build a suit that will survive that many Gs on impact... well... go for it. 
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Even scarier than a tornado: A FIRE TORNADO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2173580ju0&feature=related
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So if a tornado is strong enough you cant outrun it. You are just futzed.
I dont know how many Gs I can take. I once spent the night with a 340 pound Chinese woman. She ripped the toilet seat from its hinges.
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So if a tornado is strong enough you cant outrun it. You are just futzed.
I dont know how many Gs I can take. I once spent the night with a 340 pound Chinese woman. She ripped the toilet seat from its hinges.
This is how real men do tornado's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0IGMhouy0Q
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I dont know how many Gs I can take.
Sustained G forces, like what pilots experience, are not quite the same thing as impact G forces.
You clearly need to watch more Mythbusters. 
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I don't know. What I do know is every time I'm in Indiana as I am today there are tornado watches/warnings with people busily beavering up to Marsh's to buy food and water as if a major Armageddon-type event is about to happen. This in turn makes me want to find GC, who claims Indiana is the garden of eden as far as weather goes, and kick him in his flat ass.
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If you are driving a motorcycle through the Midwest can you outrun a Tornado if you see it heading your way?
Easily. Hell you can usually jog out of a tornado's way - provided that you see it coming.
Most tornadoes are moving at 20-60 mph. And they are anywhere from 300 yards to 1 mile wide. Most to tornadoes do not give you warning. A siren will go off if a tornado is likely or one has been spotted but many are wrapped in rain, occur in darkness, or drop after the siren has gone off.
This one dropped on top of a store and was over in seconds. Sirens went off before it hit. This was an F1-F2
This family pulled over to get into a shelter when they heard the siren go off. this was an F0-F1
Anything bigger or on the upper end of the F2 range and you are screwed.
You are not going to jog out of its way. Since I was 25, I have done several seasons of storm chasing video work with NOAA weather scientists, worked with University of Oklahoma Meteorology school members (my room mate in school was getting his degree in meteorology), and grew up watching and reading literally hundreds of shows and books on super cell behavior (not to mention being in or near several having spent most of my life in Oklahoma). The one thing that every scientist and weather man has said is this: If you are in a car in the path of a tornado, leave your car and seek shelter in a ditch or low lying depression. A tornado shifting its bearing is big enough that the adjustment in funnel placement can exceed 100 mph and will overtake any vehicle within a mile. Not to mention the winds on the outside of the funnel can blow a vehicle over, even heavy ones. Being in a ditch or low spot can save your life if you have no where else to go. If you are familiar with storm tracks and are savvy enough to watch what the sky, not the tornado, is doing, you can get out of the way possibly if in a vehicle. Storm chasers never get directly in a tornadoes path unless a major shift happens or they are amateur. They stay behind and to the south and west of spring/summer funnels and to the north or west of fall/winter funnels. has to do with the direction of the jetstream and where funnels will form in different seasons. A Tornado will not reverse direction in a complete opposite although the base of the funnel may shift back a mile. Shouldn't ever be that close to one if you have a warning or are tracking them.
I won't even get started on what is blowing around within a mile or two of a tornado and what it can do to people within that range, car or not. Telling someone they can outrun one or jog out of its way is just going to get someone killed
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Most tornadoes are moving at 20-60 mph. And they are anywhere from 300 yards to 1 mile wide. Most to tornadoes do not give you warning. A siren will go off if a tornado is likely or one has been spotted but many are wrapped in rain, occur in darkness, or drop after the siren has gone off.
Which is why I said "provided you see it coming".
You can't outrun one - but you can certainly get out of its way if you see it coming, even if you're on foot.
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You are not going to jog out of its way.
Give me a break.
You can easily get out of the path of a tornado you see coming. If you want to stomp your feet and tell me you can't outrun one you're absolutely right, but then again that's not what we're talking about. Don't try to tell me you can't A) see where the tornado is going (currently, and it can change) and then B) go the way the tornado... isn't?
And all of the above goes out the window if it's F3 or better, since those things move much faster and are highly erratic... meaning you can jog out of its way and have the thing turn suddenly and come right at you.
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Telling someone they can outrun one or jog out of its way is just going to get someone killed
No one is suggesting that you should run right up next to the damn thing and wait for someone to shoot a starter pistol.
If you see a tornado coming and you're on a motorcycle, can you get away? Of course.
If you see a tornado coming and you're on foot, can you get away? Yes... provided the Demon Murphy doesn't intervene. 
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I am asking because I believe I will take a month vacation after April 15th and ride a motorcycle to Austin. and NYC if I get ambitious. This will put me in harms way in mid spring. I know avalanche survival, I can navigate out of bad riptides swimming, I know how to survive earthquakes. I have a feeling i will be vulnerable to tornadoes.
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Most tornadoes are moving at 20-60 mph. And they are anywhere from 300 yards to 1 mile wide. Most to tornadoes do not give you warning. A siren will go off if a tornado is likely or one has been spotted but many are wrapped in rain, occur in darkness, or drop after the siren has gone off.
Wich is why I said "provided you see it coming". Experience a few severe storm seasons in tornado alley and tell me how many of them you see coming if you are not actively watching for them.
You can't outrun one - but you can certainly get out of its way if you see it coming, even if you're on foot.
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You are not going to jog out of its way.
Give me a break.
You can easily get out of the path of a tornado you see coming. If you want to stomp your feet and tell me you can't outrun one you're absolutely right, but then again that's not what we're talking about. Don't try to tell me you can't A) see where the tornado is going (currently, and it can change) and then B) go the way the tornado... isn't?
You said you could jog out of the way like you wold with a train or car. And have you ever been in the path of a tornado? It is almost impossible to tell which absolute direction it is traveling when it is headed roughly in your direction. It just looks bigger. They also tend to meander, not head in a perfectly straight line, much like a broom sweeping a floor side to side. The base moves while the top stays in one place. The only way a tornado ISN'T going is backwards, although the funnel base can shift back a certain distance, the tornado itself will not reverse direction completely. And I am pretty sure I didn't stomp any feet, just aghast that you would be so absolute in giving tornado advice that could likely get someone killed. I take tornadoes very seriously as I have personally seen what they do on a large and small scale. Hypothetically or not, attempting to jog or even drive out of the way of one that is close enough to see (a few miles or less) is asking for trouble.
As I said before, if it is close enough for you to see, considering they are usually difficult to see if you are in their path due to rain being wrapped around it in a curtain, that means it is within a mile or 2 of you and will over take you since they move at speeds of 20 to 60/70 mph. You are telling me that something 100 yards or wider is going to miss you jogging at a direction away from it (perpendicular or otherwise) when it can cover a mile in no time? Sure, ideal conditions and with a lot of luck you could avoid a very small tornado on foot but saying that it is easily done with a small tornado is laughable. Especially considering they ARE unpredictable unless you are miles away and on the back side.
And all of the above goes out the window if it's F3 or better, since those things move much faster and are highly erratic... meaning you can jog out of its way and have the thing turn suddenly and come right at you.
Actually the bigger ones often move slower, they just cover more ground in width which makes them hard to get around, it is the small ones that tend to whip around a lot or speed across the ground.
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Telling someone they can outrun one or jog out of its way is just going to get someone killed
No one is suggesting that you should run right up next to the damn thing and wait for someone to shoot a starter pistol.
And I never said that at all. But suggesting someone can jog out of the way of a force of nature that is unpredictable in behavior is folly. All an F1 or F2 has to do is tilt a bit and the base can cover a mile or more in seconds. Even if you see it coming. if it is several miles away, sure you can jog out of its path. But then again if you see an avalanche coming from several miles away I am sure you can jog out its way as well...
Problem is with tornadoes, very rarely do you get enough advanced warning, once they are on the ground, that you can avoid them on foot. What is your idea of seeing it coming? 10 miles away? Video footage from one in another state?
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I am asking because I believe I will take a month vacation after April 15th and ride a motorcycle to Austin. and NYC if I get ambitious. This will put me in harms way in mid spring. I know avalanche survival, I can navigate out of bad riptides swimming, I know how to survive earthquakes. I have a feeling i will be vulnerable to tornadoes.
Just stick with what I said. If you have advanced warning, seek shelter indoors. Go to the central part of a building away from doors and windows. If a central bathroom or closet is available get inside one. If you have anything to cover your head and back with get under it. If a central located and/or small room is not available, go to the opposite corner of the building from where the tornado is headed to and try to get between something and the tornadoes path. Destroyed buildings show that when an F4 or smaller tornado hits a building, often it is the wall opposite of the initial impact site that is left standing and sometimes that entire section is untouched. An F5 hits and it won't matter. Should be underground for those if at all possible, but strange things happen in tornadoes and sometimes you get lucky. A house was destroyed, in one case, yet dinner was still on the table untouched and perfectly in place still.
Last bit of advice: under no circumstances should you get in a culvert pipe or go under a bridge overpass. This actually focuses the wind creates an even stronger suction pulling you out easily. A family did this in Oklahoma during the May 3rd tornado and lost the father and two children were ripped out from under it leaving only the mother behind. This was when it was at F2 strength.
I would suggest doing a little reading on the subject before going into that area during the peak of storm season. And if you are in Oklahoma at any point tune into Channel 9 when storms are present. Gary England is the chief meteorologist there and is a pioneer in tornado technology and weather radar. he may be getting old as hell but the man knows everything there is to know about tracking and surviving a severe storm.
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SERIOUSLY DID YOU GUYS SEE THE FIRE TORNADO?
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That sounds like great advice, Ty. If I would have listened to Koneg, I would have just pulled over and eaten a sandwich, thinking I could shuffle out of the way without missing a bite. I imagine it is a bad idea to tie a rope around your neck to an anchored down park picnic table, too.
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I am asking because I believe I will take a month vacation after April 15th and ride a motorcycle to Austin. and NYC if I get ambitious. This will put me in harms way in mid spring. I know avalanche survival, I can navigate out of bad riptides swimming, I know how to survive earthquakes. I have a feeling i will be vulnerable to tornadoes.
Just stick with what I said. If you have advanced warning, seek shelter indoors. Go to the central part of a building away from doors and windows. If a central bathroom or closet is available get inside one. If you have anything to cover your head and back with get under it. If a central located and/or small room is not available, go to the opposite corner of the building from where the tornado is headed to and try to get between something and the tornadoes path. Destroyed buildings show that when an F4 or smaller tornado hits a building, often it is the wall opposite of the initial impact site that is left standing and sometimes that entire section is untouched. An F5 hits and it won't matter. Should be underground for those if at all possible, but strange things happen in tornadoes and sometimes you get lucky. A house was destroyed, in one case, yet dinner was still on the table untouched and perfectly in place still.
Last bit of advice: under no circumstances should you get in a culvert pipe or go under a bridge overpass. This actually focuses the wind creates an even stronger suction pulling you out easily. A family did this in Oklahoma during the May 3rd tornado and lost the father and two children were ripped out from under it leaving only the mother behind. This was when it was at F2 strength.
I would suggest doing a little reading on the subject before going into that area during the peak of storm season. And if you are in Oklahoma at any point tune into Channel 9 when storms are present. Gary England is the chief meteorologist there and is a pioneer in tornado technology and weather radar. he may be getting old as hell but the man knows everything there is to know about tracking and surviving a severe storm.
Just my advice.
Good advice, I had never heard about the thning with overpasses. Maybe the only nice thing about living in Cincinnati is that we almost never get tornados even when places one county north, west, or south are getting pummeled. I don't know if it has to do with the river valley geography or what.
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you shouldnt have any problem driving through the midwest.
tornadoes usually dont drop from the sky out of nowhere. if the weather is bad then get off your bike and seek shelter. if it starts gettign really bad, then maybe youll want to find a basement to hang out in till it passes.
a tornado will never sneak up on you, ninja like, and whisk you off to oz.
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People watch movies like Twister and think you can drive a truck up to one and then get out of the way, or outrun one in a cornfield on foot that is a hundred yards away. Honestly? I mean the outlying winds within a mile alone of an F4 are around 120 mph and full of roofing nails, wood, sand, fending, etc... that will flay you to the bone or cut you in half.
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I definitely over -respect what nature can do to you.
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Just don't be fearful when going through the area. If the sky looks bad you will know it. A big ugly green low hanging bank of clouds is a bad sign. usually hail but also tornadoes.
SOme images of clouds you want to be on the watch for.
Otherwise, enjoy! Springtime in Oklahoma/Texas etc... is gorgeous. And the temperature that time of year is in the mid 70's to mid 80's usually. Not to mention it brings out the best clothing choices from women. 
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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED TORNADO WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH 322 PM EST FRI MAR 2 2012 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN WILMINGTON HAS ISSUED A * TORNADO WARNING FOR... CARROLL COUNTY IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY... WESTERN GALLATIN COUNTY IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY... SOUTHWESTERN DEARBORN COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... OHIO COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... SOUTHERN RIPLEY COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... SWITZERLAND COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... * UNTIL 400 PM EST. * AT 319 PM EST...STORM SPOTTERS REPORTED A LARGE TORNADO ON THE GROUND NEAR NABB. RADAR INDICATED THAT THE TORNADO PRODUCING STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR NABB INDIANA...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 65 MPH. * LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... CARROLLTON... VEVAY... DILLSBORO... WARSAW... THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION! A TORNADO IS ON THE GROUND!
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No sooner did I post that and this came into our global email:
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED TORNADO WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH 322 PM EST FRI MAR 2 2012 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN WILMINGTON HAS ISSUED A * TORNADO WARNING FOR... CARROLL COUNTY IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY... WESTERN GALLATIN COUNTY IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY... SOUTHWESTERN DEARBORN COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... OHIO COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... SOUTHERN RIPLEY COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... SWITZERLAND COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... * UNTIL 400 PM EST. * AT 319 PM EST...STORM SPOTTERS REPORTED A LARGE TORNADO ON THE GROUND NEAR NABB. RADAR INDICATED THAT THE TORNADO PRODUCING STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR NABB INDIANA...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 65 MPH. * LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... CARROLLTON... VEVAY... DILLSBORO... WARSAW... THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION! A TORNADO IS ON THE GROUND!
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No sooner did I post that and this came into our global email:
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED TORNADO WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH 322 PM EST FRI MAR 2 2012 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN WILMINGTON HAS ISSUED A * TORNADO WARNING FOR... CARROLL COUNTY IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY... WESTERN GALLATIN COUNTY IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY... SOUTHWESTERN DEARBORN COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... OHIO COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... SOUTHERN RIPLEY COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... SWITZERLAND COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST INDIANA... * UNTIL 400 PM EST. * AT 319 PM EST...STORM SPOTTERS REPORTED A LARGE TORNADO ON THE GROUND NEAR NABB. RADAR INDICATED THAT THE TORNADO PRODUCING STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR NABB INDIANA...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 65 MPH. * LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... CARROLLTON... VEVAY... DILLSBORO... WARSAW... THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION! A TORNADO IS ON THE GROUND!
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