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It's fake. I am still confident Obama will be re-elected President. Obama 2012
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They need to give it up.
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They just debunked the Selective Service card too, as a forgery. the "8" markings on the date stamp used on his "S.S card" is clearly visually different from an actual 1980 date stamp. Ouch. Obama will still be re-elected President. And I will respect his authority. Obama 2012.
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paulg_68 said the issue was settled already.
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IMHO, even if Obama is found to be a fraud, he is still our president and his authority is already existence. You won't find me trying to overthrow the administration. Nor would I encourage it. I got a family to think about. Obama 2012
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Obama's reelection team posted: Damn, that whole birth certificate thing was taken care of way too early. How canwe bring it back to the publics atten-- Hey Dan, turn on the news, Sheriff Joe is throwing us a bone! Great news, too bad no one is dumb enough to actually believe this crap anymore.
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Who cares what Arpaio's opinion is? He's a moron.
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The country is finished anyway. Anyone who has money and or smarts has either already exited or working on it. The only real two draws of this country was the economy and rule of law. Both of those are swirling the drain. There are much better places you can live than in a multicultural hell hole dominated by leftist morons who systematically ruin every place they gain control of, and they came in to power long before Obama. And the religious zealots are no help either. They're just a different flavor of a leftist.
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Aerlinthian posted: Bunch of inaccurate stupid.
You should put your money where your mouth is and move to one of these better places and track how much better off you are there. Then you can come back in 5 years and really pwn the whole outpost. See ya then!
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Aerlinthian posted: I'M MOVING TO SOMALIA WHERE A MAN CAN BE FREE
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Sheriff Joe's much anticipated announcement can be summed up thusly...
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_Gronk_ posted:
It's fake.
I am still confident Obama will be re-elected President.
Obama 2012
You'd with all the time in the world on your hands, and a woman who isn't smart enough to know better about her money, you'd be more educated.
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Aerlinthian posted: The country is finished anyway. Anyone who has money and or smarts has either already exited or working on it. The only real two draws of this country was the economy and rule of law. Both of those are swirling the drain. There are much better places you can live than in a multicultural hell hole dominated by leftist morons who systematically ruin every place they gain control of, and they came in to power long before Obama. And the religious zealots are no help either. They're just a different flavor of a leftist.
You are a defeatist. You are also cowardly. You are also a disgrace to the person you so often champion and advocate for on this board, if you do truly believe what you typed. There are people in this country who, while they are rich or smart or both, have not left and do not plan to. But according to you, these people can only be stupid, non-affluent or both. You sound like the very same elitists that you rail against on a regular basis. You claim that this country is finished. Let me clue you in: The country is changing. Changing for the worst, in many ways. Changing for the better in some ways. But it has been changing since it was created. You suffer from the very same disease of thought that so many of your Prison Planet ass-clown pals suffer from. It's the quasi-delusional believe that the most fateful, decisive and ominous events in our nation's history are going to happen (or have happened) in your life-time. Many have espoused the very same delusion throughout the past two centuries. It can be witnessed in thread titles on the forums of your favorite websites (see: Prison Planet), statements like, "Ron Paul is our last chance!". [mod]ing pussies. As if the fate of the United States was, at this exact point in time, resting upon the edge of a sword that is Ron Paul. Shidiots. But that's cool, man. Be a cowardly shidiot. Better yet: As somebody else already suggested, put your money where your mouth is. Leave. Or stay, like those of us who are too poor to leave or too stupid to know any better. You're a little bitch.
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^ no-no spot successfully touched!
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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/307717/20120301/america-s-toughest-sheriff-joe-arpaio-implies.htm IBTIMES posted:
Based on all of the evidence, I cannot in good faith report to you these documents are authentic," Arpaio said, adding that his "investigators believe that the long-form birth certificate was manufactured electronically" and never existed in paper form.
Arpaio: Investigation proves Obama birth certificate a fake http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46596469 MSNBC posted:
PHOENIX — The birth certificate which Barack Obama says proves he is a U.S. citizen is a fraud, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio charged Thursday. ...... ... The sheriff said a forensic examination of the electronic document posted last year by the White House proves that it was not simply scanned into a file but actually put together in several pieces. And Mike Zullo, head of the sheriff’s Cold Case Posse who headed the investigation, said the inconsistencies in the document cannot be explained away by claims that it was optimized or had been scanned with optical character recognition software. Zullo also said a separate examination proves Obama’s selective service also is a fake. Rep. Carl Seel, R-Phoenix, called the finding “extremely troubling.†Seel said he hopes the sheriff’s findings breathe new life into legislation he and Sen. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, have been pushing to require some evidence that all candidates whould have to prove they are “natural born citizens†of the United States before their names are placed on the ballot.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46585658 MSNBC posted:
At a news conference, Arpaio said the probe revealed that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April is a computer-generated forgery. He also said the selective service card completed by Obama in 1980 in Hawaii also was most likely a forgery.
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I was really disappointed when the birth certificate was released. So much entertainment potential now down the drain. I'm so glad I was wrong, and there are still enough stupid people to make the whole issue the present that keeps on giving
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Manegarm posted:
Aerlinthian posted: I'M MOVING TO SOMALIA WHERE A MAN CAN BE FREE
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Long after you stay or leave Aerlin-hitler-zoinist-conspiracy-guy, this country will still be a great country. That being said. It's not just on the RWN news anymore. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-birth-certificate-maybe-forged-sheriff-joe-arpaio-160607568--abc-news.html ABC NEWS posted:
"We believe probable cause exists indicating that forgery and fraud may have been committed, not only in President Obama's long-form birth certificate, but more disturbing evidence suggests that another fraud may have been committed regarding his selected service registration card," Arpaio, 79, said at a press conference. "Based on all of the evidence presented and investigated I cannot in good faith report to you that these documents are authentic."
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-sheriff-says-obamas-birth-certificate-forgery-041146855.html Reuters posted:
"A 6-month-long investigation conducted by my cold case posse has led me to believe there is probably cause to believe that President Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate ... is a computer-generated fraud," Arpaio told a news conference.
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-sheriff-unveils-obama-birth-probe-223410971.html Associated Press posted:
At a news conference, Arpaio said the probe revealed that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April is a computer-generated forgery. He also said the selective service card completed by Obama in 1980 in Hawaii also was most likely a forgery. "We don't know who the perpetrators are of these documents," Arpaio said, although he said he doesn't think the president forged the documents.
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The 1980 date on Obama's Selective Service registration card was created by cutting the date 2008 to read just 08 and flipping it to make the 80 portion of 1980, according to the Arpaio investigators. Zullo says the card "isn't just forged; it's poorly forged," according to NPR.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-birth-certificate-selective-card-faked-joe-arpaio-003800373.html Yahoo News posted:
* Arpaio's team also claims Immigration and Naturalization Service international arrival records for the month August 1961 contain a gap- there are no records for the week of Obama's birth, they say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17229009 BBC NEWS posted: The birth certificate of US President Barack Obama could be a forgery, a controversial Arizona sheriff claims. Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County - who styles himself as America's toughest - unveiled the results of a probe into the origins of the document. His investigators found "probable cause" the certificate may have been made by "forgery and fraud", he said.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-bc-us--arizonasheriff-obamabirth,0,2454139.story Chicago Tribune posted:
At a news conference, Arpaio said the probe revealed that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April is a computer-generated forgery. He also said the selective service card completed by Obama in 1980 in Hawaii also was most likely a forgery. "We don't know who the perpetrators are of these documents," Arpaio said, although he said he doesn't think the president forged the documents
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/03/02/arizona_sheriff_unveils_obama_birth_probe/ Boston Globe posted:
At a news conference, Arpaio said the probe revealed that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April is a computer-generated forgery. He also said the selective service card completed by Obama in 1980 in Hawaii also was most likely a forgery.
---------------------------------------- Doesn't really change anything except some possible criminal fraud etc by someone. Obama was still elected the US president. It doesn't matter what legitimate citizenship status Obama has, Obama will still be re-elected. It's already pre-determined. Love it or leave it. Obama 2012
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BTW, since I don't have to work, I watched the whole event live. I'm not going strictly based on news reports. I watched the evidence as it was layed out. The evidence was very damning. If anyone wants to debunk what the sheriff claimed in his report (or on the video) @ the birth certificate, Civil Service card, or other issues being fake, misleading, or missing... please explain why. Otherwise feel free to bash the messenger (arpaio) and ignore the message. Not the first time that has happened here or in the US. Mum's the word. Obama 2012
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Long after you stay or leave Aerlin-hitler-zoinist-conspiracy-guy, this country will still be a great country. That being said. It's not just on the RWN news anymore. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-birth-certificate-maybe-forged-sheriff-joe-arpaio-160607568--abc-news.html ABC NEWS posted:
"We believe probable cause exists indicating that forgery and fraud may have been committed, not only in President Obama's long-form birth certificate, but more disturbing evidence suggests that another fraud may have been committed regarding his selected service registration card," Arpaio, 79, said at a press conference. "Based on all of the evidence presented and investigated I cannot in good faith report to you that these documents are authentic."
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-sheriff-says-obamas-birth-certificate-forgery-041146855.html Reuters posted:
"A 6-month-long investigation conducted by my cold case posse has led me to believe there is probably cause to believe that President Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate ... is a computer-generated fraud," Arpaio told a news conference.
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-sheriff-unveils-obama-birth-probe-223410971.html Associated Press posted:
At a news conference, Arpaio said the probe revealed that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April is a computer-generated forgery. He also said the selective service card completed by Obama in 1980 in Hawaii also was most likely a forgery. "We don't know who the perpetrators are of these documents," Arpaio said, although he said he doesn't think the president forged the documents.
NPR posted:
The 1980 date on Obama's Selective Service registration card was created by cutting the date 2008 to read just 08 and flipping it to make the 80 portion of 1980, according to the Arpaio investigators. Zullo says the card "isn't just forged; it's poorly forged," according to NPR.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-birth-certificate-selective-card-faked-joe-arpaio-003800373.html Yahoo News posted:
* Arpaio's team also claims Immigration and Naturalization Service international arrival records for the month August 1961 contain a gap- there are no records for the week of Obama's birth, they say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17229009 BBC NEWS posted: The birth certificate of US President Barack Obama could be a forgery, a controversial Arizona sheriff claims. Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County - who styles himself as America's toughest - unveiled the results of a probe into the origins of the document. His investigators found "probable cause" the certificate may have been made by "forgery and fraud", he said.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-bc-us--arizonasheriff-obamabirth,0,2454139.story [quote=Chicago Tribune] At a news conference, Arpaio said the probe revealed that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April is a computer-generated forgery. He also said the selective service card completed by Obama in 1980 in Hawaii also was most likely a forgery. "We don't know who the perpetrators are of these documents," Arpaio said, although he said he doesn't think the president forged the documents
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/03/02/arizona_sheriff_unveils_obama_birth_probe/ Boston Globe posted:
At a news conference, Arpaio said the probe revealed that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April is a computer-generated forgery. He also said the selective service card completed by Obama in 1980 in Hawaii also was most likely a forgery.
---------------------------------------- [/quote]Unpossible Paulg said this would go away and never be a main stream issue or discussed by the main stream media...
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Paulg isn't God and can't be right on EVERYTHING. But he is pretty darn close usually. That being said, there was alot of media at the conference. The fraud conclusion was pretty damning backed up by solid evidence. The media outrage during the Q & A session was crazy, watching it. The only reason why mainstream has release the news, means they read the 10 page report, and found something disturbing. Otherwise it would have been shunned by the press, and never gotten beyond WND and Newsmax.... It's still not gonna change my vote for our Dear Leader tho. I have a family to think about. Welcome to neo-venezuala. Obama 2012
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Joe Arpaio is such a caricature of a throwback southern conservative lawman that he should star in a D. W. Griffith movie.
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The justice department is going to take a big wet bite out of Joe's corrupt ass and this is his way of retaliating. I hope he enjoys federal prison.
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Voodoo-Dahl posted: The justice department is going to take a big wet bite out of Joe's corrupt ass
Sobaki works for the DOJ?
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lol, Yuki. But even if the DOJ attacks Arpaio.... It's only attacking the messenger, not the message. How does attacking the messenger debunk the solid evidence that the Birth Certificate and Civil Service Card are fraudulent documents, and the missing records? Also stated during the conference was that "reporting a birth in a newpsaper is a not a legitimate means of proving citizenship, as they heve hundreds of examples of foreign births being posted in newpapers, as being in the US", it's not like the newspapers fact check them. Even Nixon swore to his death he was not a criminal. I would suggest you watch the video of the news conference, watch the evidence shown, and judge for yourself. Obama 2012
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Anyone care to explain why Gronk is calling Obama a fraud of a president but then says he is going to vote for him? Succesful troll?
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Anyone care to explain why Gronk is calling Obama a fraud of a president but then says he is going to vote for him? Succesful troll?
Gronk posted: Ever see Boardwalk Empire on HBO? Probably the 1st real series to expose the criminal/police/government collusion at the highest levels. Those situations happen throughout society, town, city, state, federal level in every nation of the world. It exposes basic human nature, and how we niavely, especially at a younger age, that we can ever do anything to change society. No matter how much money, power, or authority we all have, we are all pawns to the system. Doesn't matter whether the system is good or ill, it's never gonna be onverthrown. I respect those in government power. Doesn't mean I need to keep my eyes closed. But I make sure to stay out of the way, when the steamroller comes around. Just hold up the American flag boys, and just smile and wave. Obama 2012.
I suggest you wiki Nucky Johnson - he is the guy Nucky Thompson & Boardwalk Empire is based upon. Wiki posted:
Enoch Lewis "Nucky" Johnson (January 20, 1883 – December 9, 1968) was an Atlantic City, New Jersey political boss and racketeer. From the 1910s until his imprisonment in 1941, he was the undisputed “boss†of the Republican political machine that controlled Atlantic City and the Atlantic County government. Using his political position to his advantage, his rule encompassed the Roaring Twenties when Atlantic City was at the height of its popularity as a temporary refuge from Prohibition, his organization also being involved in bootlegging, gambling and prostitution.
Just because a person is the President, doesn't mean they didn't get there by fraudulent means. It only means you need to respect his authority while in power. Obama 2012
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I know the show and know a little of the background of Nucky Johnson. Can't compare the early 1920s to today. With the internet and 24/7 news it would be hard to maintain that level of corruption. Mind you I know that there is still corruption in politics today but at that scale, I highly doubt it.
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DemonicXH posted: I know the show and know a little of the background of Nucky Johnson. Can't compare the early 1920s to today. With the internet and 24/7 news it would be hard to maintain that level of corruption. Mind you I know that there is still corruption in politics today but at that scale, I highly doubt it.
It was very easy to get away with false identification years ago. Today it is more difficult. Hence the conference where a law enforcement officer shows credible evidence that the Birth Certificate, and Civil Service document were fraudulent documents. Do not underestimate the power of the political parties. Or the federal government's various agencies. Anyone can be bought or killed in this country. Anything is possible. You no longer even need to be accused of a crime to disappear comepletely, per latest Defense Authorization that Obama signed. But focus on the evidence, and decide for yourself. Boardwalk Empire never ended. Even those at the top of the machine are stuck in the system. Those who try to tinker with (or change) the machine get shut down. I'm not trying to tinker with (or change) anything. I'm just looking and talking about how it works. As long as there is food on the table, and a means to support each other, this country will still be great. It doesn't have to be morally good to be GREAT. Morality is just naive talk. Obama 2012
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DemonicXH posted: I know that there is still corruption in politics today but at that scale, I highly doubt it.
Contemporary multipliers are far greater.
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_Gronk_ posted: Hence the conference where a law enforcement officer shows credible evidence
LOL blind faith in Shurf Joe BUT THOSE EBBIL FEDS CAN GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING! Just hurry up and have your next megameltdown and leave already, we have plenty of stupid here as it is kthks
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Feel free to debunk any of the evidence the sheriff showed at the conference, Ashmaele. Watch the video itself and tear the evidence apart, if you can. Like I said, you are simply attacking the messenger, not the message. BTW, an elected sheriff has more public credibility/legal authority than you do. Obama 2012
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PHOENIX — America's self-proclaimed toughest sheriff finds himself entangled these days in his own thorny legal troubles: a federal grand jury probe over alleged abuse of power, Justice Department accusations of racial profiling and mistreatment of Hispanics and revelations that his department didn't adequately investigate hundreds of Arizona sex-crime cases. Yet of all the people who have scrutinized the matter to the nth degree the only one who comes up with 'credible evidence' that the birth certificate is fake is the guy who just happens to be under federal investigation.
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It wasn't just one Sheriff that came to the fraudlent conclusion, he had an independent group working on it. Those people are not under DOJ investigation. Yet.... The DOJ investigation doesn't debunk the solid evidence the sheriff provided at the conference that shows the BC and CS card to be fraudulent. And one can simply dismiss the DOJ investigation (with a Democrat AG) as a partisan political attack on the Democrats' part, but I'm not going there. I'm simply pointing to the evidence that the sheriff showed, exposing the BC and CD as fraudulent. Instead you are rabidly attacking the messenger and ignoring the evidence. Obama 2012
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Conspiratards see conspiracies everywhere, except when the conspiracy is hiding in plain sight.
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So you can't debunk the evidence provided by a legal sheriff. Instead you just stand there, wave your arms and say nothing to see here. Just because Obi-Won convinced the stormtroopers otherwise, doesn't mean those were not the robots they were looking for. And like the Star Wars Audience we will all smile knowingly while we vote for Obama. Too bad you couldn't stop all this from going into mainstream media Obama 2012
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_Gronk_ posted:
So you can't debunk the evidence provided by a legal sheriff.
It isn't my job to "debunk the evidence provided by a legal sheriff." For one thing, the evidence wasn't "provided by a legal sheriff," it was provided by his volunteer "Cold Case Posse" The findings come after a six month investigation by Arpaio's Cold Case Posse, a group of volunteers, many of whom have backgrounds in law enforcement. Holy shit, MANY OF THEM HAVE BACKGROUNDS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT!!! Are you serious? For another: The burden of proof is on the prosecution. Just because they've convinced you and a few dumbasses out there doesn't mean they have something credible. _Gronk_ posted:
Instead you just stand there,
actually I am seated _Gronk_ posted: wave your arms and say nothing to see here.
and I'm not waving my arms, but there is nothing to see here. WTF would I wave my arms unless I wanted you to see something here? _Gronk_ posted:
Sorry you couldn't stop all this from going into mainstream media
Well shucks at least I gave it the college try! _Gronk_ posted:
Just because Obi-Won convinced the stormtroopers otherwise, doesn't mean those were not the robots they were looking for.
Droids not robots, nub.
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I take it you did not watch the several video presentations showcasing the evidence that the BC and CS documents are fraudulent. They were shown at the conference, where there was a host of media reporters watching it also. The 10 page report is available on the web as most of the media already has it. From what I saw, it was solid evidence that the BC and CS (and others) were fraudulent documents. If the evidence wasn't damning and credible, you would not see ABC and other MSM news organizations even bothering to put it on their news items. Obama 2012
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