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the witchdoctor uses "ceremonial stone knives" as it's main weapon. they do piss damage. i mean even at level 13 i find regular ones that do like 2-4 damage and profanity. generally, this would be fine because you don't use it to attack mobs and everything, however, the first several skills you're given do like 150% weapon damage. ... WTF BLIZZARD!? i end up using the stupidest profanity as my main hand weapon because using my class weapon gets me doing 3 damage a shot.  equip like a barbarian weapon and suddenly my attack that was doing 3 damage shoots up to doing 20 damage. this was a problem in the last build too. i'm not super concerned about it because the wd is a terrible fking class. it's boring as HELL. i want to play it because i love the super almost racist voice acting and posture and clothing and stuff but.. ugh.
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I don't have high hopes for that class either unless they do some big changes =\
I am making a barbarian on release!
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Witch Doctor shouldn't have even been in the game. Every other class uses skills that gain a resource, and others that use them. WD is purely using mana, and they can't spam their skills or they run out, and once they run out, they literally can't do anything. Every other class can. They can't. Awful.
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If the class is that bad it seems that they would do some significant tweaking before release.
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If the class is that bad it seems that they would do some significant tweaking before release.
I hope so.
I want to be one for hardcore play (pets = survivability) but right now they're gimped. No DPS, poor cooldowns, no survivability...
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know whats bothering me about diablo 3? i don't have the freakin beta yet
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know whats bothering me about diablo 3? i don't have the freakin beta yet
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and so it begins... Caoilin begins her hate filled posts of a game she will buy.
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know whats bothering me about diablo 3? i don't have the freakin beta yet
GT, I'm basically done playing D3 on my account. Let me know if you want to try the game... 
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Ah man... can I get in on that with GT? lol When he's done, or I'll just log on whenever he isn't on. 
I've worked years for ACVault, WoWVault and have been around here forever so you can trust me... wait a minute that last one might actually make you lose trust in me. lol
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GrimTempest posted:
know whats bothering me about diablo 3? i don't have the freakin beta yet
GT, I'm basically done playing D3 on my account. Let me know if you want to try the game...
I never even used my account.
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Checked the D3 Beta EULA...guess I'm in the wrong. Thought it was OK in beta. Nevermind 
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yeah i had a feeling that wouldn't be something they allowed and the way they work battlenet accounts now i wouldn't feel comfortable with access to anything on someone elses account anyway. i get immediate access on release though, i did the free digital copy for signing up for a year of WoW. so i won't be waiting too much longer even if they don't send me a beta.
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Yeah pretty sure it's exactly for that reason. Your account is linked to all your subs and other Blizzard games and your billing info.
If it was just a specific login for the D3 beta, they probably wouldn't care.
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i love that caledric is stalking me with hate. it's like a dream come true to have someone so affected. 
anyway, the wizard doesn't have any skills that gain but they get a whole bunch of no mana use skills so i see what you're saying. wd is just so.. boring. the pets you get don't do anything of note and that's like all you get in the early levels. here's some more pets that will do 1 damage spam.
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I think the main problem was the lack of crafted WD weapons until level 20 or so. Every other class has class specific crafted weapons. I didn't think the class was that bad though. The aoe eels and spider jars were fun.
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and so it begins... Caoilin begins her hate filled posts of a game she will buy.
she was bang on with SWTOR, i trust her now
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spider jars are hilarious. don't get me wrong. i love them. i also love the zombie dogs. the problem is that all of the skills are based on your weapon damage and you're stuck with a weapon that has no damage until you can craft the level 20ish one. and the mojo thing you can make is also beyond level 13 so that sucks too. but like the spiders do, i think it was, 25% of weapon damage. so mine never hit for more than 1. they're just tiny walking dots. the zombie dogs are similar. which is fine, i like dot classes, but the levels we're given access to do NOT help the witch doctor's fate as far as me playing it at launch. it will likely be the last character i play to 50.
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Caledric posted:
and so it begins... Caoilin begins her hate filled posts of a game she will buy.
she was bang on with SWTOR, i trust her now
i'm still mad about swtor. it could have been such an amazing game if bioware had listened to the actual testers instead of telling us all to go fk ourselves because they had a dedicated fanbase who loved everything stupid they did. 
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Just don't use the knives, I think I used a mace on mine. You miss out on the mana regen bonuses most of the knives have, but you can actually kill things. The aoe eels with a good dps weapon wrecks things.
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oh yeah i'm not using a stone knife. i'm using a rare sword i got from the skeleton king on my demon hunter. it's got insanely high dps for a level 2 weapon.  like 15.8 or something ridiculous. it does more dps than most 2h weapons until level 9ish i think.
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i love that caledric is stalking me with hate. it's like a dream come true to have someone so affected.
anyway, the wizard doesn't have any skills that gain but they get a whole bunch of no mana use skills so i see what you're saying. wd is just so.. boring. the pets you get don't do anything of note and that's like all you get in the early levels. here's some more pets that will do 1 damage spam.
There's at least one rune for every one of the no-cost spells that grants you arcane energy either on hit, or crit.
Also, since it's a limited beta and only level 13 level cap, we don't get to see some of the better items. I'm pretty sure past like 25 or so the WD weapons start having bonuses you just can't give up. You also gain damage from using their offhand Voodoo doll things. They are still by far the worst class in the lower levels though.
After looking on the item database on the D3 site, wtf. The Legendary WD dagger at Lv60, the very last one, has like 700-1k dps, which is 3-4x more than any other 1hander.
Double WTF, that's over 2x more than any weapon on the database. That must be a bug or something.
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i thought 50 was max?
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WD should've been Necromancer
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it pretty much is the necro. you just get animals and weird little midget things instead of skeletons.
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Not talking stupidass lagomancer. Bone necro is where it was at.
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I haven't played since they changed everything. maybe I'll get some time this weekend.
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Not talking stupidass lagomancer. Bone necro is where it was at.
yeah but why would they bring it back after pretty much killing it in d2? its like someone decided one type of nuke mage was enough and that a bone necro wasn't different enough from sorceress.
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I haven't played since they changed everything. maybe I'll get some time this weekend.
They didn't change a ton. Skill setup/tree is a bit different. You get more passive skills.
Gameplay and classes didn't change much IMO
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Not talking stupidass lagomancer. Bone necro is where it was at.
yeah but why would they bring it back after pretty much killing it in d2? its like someone decided one type of nuke mage was enough and that a bone necro wasn't different enough from sorceress.
Flavor was better, plus no resistance issues anywhere except Act II of Hell diff
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they changed where skills fall in the tree though. so each class has at least one totally new skill they didn't have last go, i think. wizard and dh do at least.
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Yah they moved the wizards laser beam
On the plus side though exploding corpse cleave and leap make the barb almost too much fun.
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Not talking stupidass lagomancer. Bone necro is where it was at.
yeah but why would they bring it back after pretty much killing it in d2? its like someone decided one type of nuke mage was enough and that a bone necro wasn't different enough from sorceress.
Flavor was better, plus no resistance issues anywhere except Act II of Hell diff
oh i'm not arguing for it. i loved my bone necro. thats just all i can come up with for their changes to the class. and if they did it in d2 they'll repeat it in d3. kinda weird coming from the people who have something like 4 or 5 nuke classes in WoW who all operate on essentially the same principles with different spells.
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they changed where skills fall in the tree though. so each class has at least one totally new skill they didn't have last go, i think. wizard and dh do at least.
I thought I'd just missed those skills my first go around
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I keep reading the title "a thing that really bothers me with dildo 3"
i need to get more sleep at night
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I loved my bone necro in D2 as well. Was sadface to not see it in D3. WD is supposed to be like it, but I want an actual necro, grrrrr.
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I keep reading the title "a thing that really bothers me with dildo 3"
i need to get more sleep at night
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Talehon69
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a thing that's really bothering me in diablo 3
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Also, D3 level cap has always been stated as 60. Dunno where you heard/saw 50.
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The-Sofa-King
Title: King of the Futons
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a thing that's really bothering me in diablo 3
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my friend loves the witch doctor, and swears by it....
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