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Board length? Huh?

 

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Board length? Huh?








Who would of thunk it.

 

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well, yes. 4 square inches

 

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caffeino00 posted:
well, yes. 4 square inches




Well that does make more sense. You know what they say measure twice cut once, or don't measure first a be stupid. nerd

 

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well, yes. 4 square inches


Actually, it's 2.25 square inches. A 2x2 is not actually 2" by 2", it's 1.5" by 1.5".

 

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well, yes. 4 square inches


Actually, it's 2.25 square inches. A 2x2 is not actually 2" by 2", it's 1.5" by 1.5".






Yep, egg on my face.

 

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The way we measure wood, nails, etc is completely messed up and stupid.

 

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The way we measure wood, nails, etc is completely messed up and stupid.




THANK YOU! I am not a moron! THE SYSTEM IS!

I feel better now.

 

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The way we measure wood, nails, etc is completely messed up and stupid.


I remodeled a house once that was built pre-1900. The lumber in that house was riginal, old growth timber, and its dimensions were correct. It even had the old square nails.

 

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well, yes. 4 square inches


Actually, it's 2.25 square inches. A 2x2 is not actually 2" by 2", it's 1.5" by 1.5".




And technically about 1/8" ish short of 1.5".


Stupid. Now I have to take off my damn shoes to do this math.

 

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In other news, 2x4s aren't 2x4, neither are 1x8s and 2x10s. Meanwhile, water is still wet and the sky is blue.


****BULLETIN**** a quart of ice cream is no longer typically a quart. More at 11 on this late breaking development.






*edit* and yeah, I was annoyed when I found this out too, but I found it out when I was a teenager during one of the many construction/general laborer type jobs I had...

 

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In other news, 2x4s aren't 2x4, neither are 1x8s and 2x10s. Meanwhile, water is still wet and the sky is blue.


****BULLETIN**** a quart of ice cream is no longer typically a quart. More at 11 on this late breaking development.






*edit* and yeah, I was annoyed when I found this out too, but I found it out when I was a teenager during one of the many construction/general laborer type jobs I had...


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wait, so you looked at a 2x2 and couldn't tell that it wasn't a full 2 inches on each side?...


treated lumber is put under pressure to strengthen it. It's the correct size before it's pressurized and treated, and it shrinks some...how do people not know this by the time they are adults? I figured that out on my own when I was like 5.

 

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treated lumber is put under pressure to strengthen it. It's the correct size before it's pressurized and treated, and it shrinks some...how do people not know this by the time they are adults? I figured that out on my own when I was like 5.


You know a lot about wood.

 

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treated lumber is put under pressure to strengthen it. It's the correct size before it's pressurized and treated, and it shrinks some...how do people not know this by the time they are adults? I figured that out on my own when I was like 5.


You know a lot about wood.


Untreated lumber isn't pressed and it is smaller. Your theory is flawed. Lumber is just cut smaller. As of the 1970s wood has been cut, planed, and dried to present a smoother, more consistent product to the customer, which has resulted in a size of an acceptable range of roughly 1.5" x 3.5" for a traditional 2x4.

 

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I thought this was pretty common knowledge lol.

 

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wait, so you looked at a 2x2 and couldn't tell that it wasn't a full 2 inches on each side?...


treated lumber is put under pressure to strengthen it. It's the correct size before it's pressurized and treated, and it shrinks some...how do people not know this by the time they are adults? I figured that out on my own when I was like 5.



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Pressure treating is forcing chemicals into the lumber by soaking the boards in the chemical solution and then pressurizing it. Those chemicals don't make the wood physically stronger, per se, they make it less susceptible to rot, insects (termites), mold, and waterlogging. Although, to be honest, pressure treated lumber can soak up some water and gets heavy as a motherfker when it's been left outside and rained on - like the 4"x4"x10' posts used in wood fencing that I used to have to haul around...

The reason 2x4s aren't actually 2x4 is that when the wood is "rough cut" at the mill, it might actually measure 2x4 there, but in order to create clean edges and/or square surfaces/corners/edges the boards are planed further, which reduces their dimensions from 2x4 to 1.5 x 3.5 or something similar.


In the "old days" (80 or more years ago) carpenters and builders would get rough sawn wood, that actually measured 2x4, and then they would proceed to plane it to get square, uniform edges/corners, etc.

 

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When tearing down part of my parents house I found the 2x4's were actually 2" x 4"... Back in the day they were actual size.

 

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When tearing down part of my parents house I found the 2x4's were actually 2" x 4"... Back in the day they were actual size.


Yes we had them in our barn and the attic of the old farm house I grew up in too. There were legit 2x10 or 2x8 (I can't remember exactly now, which) joists as well.

 

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I wish i was 2 inches..........oh you guys are talking about lumber not wood

 

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And a 2x4 isn't 2" by 4" either.

 

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Second_Chance posted:
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treated lumber is put under pressure to strengthen it. It's the correct size before it's pressurized and treated, and it shrinks some...how do people not know this by the time they are adults? I figured that out on my own when I was like 5.


You know a lot about wood.


Untreated lumber isn't pressed and it is smaller. Your theory is flawed. Lumber is just cut smaller. As of the 1970s wood has been cut, planed, and dried to present a smoother, more consistent product to the customer, which has resulted in a size of an acceptable range of roughly 1.5" x 3.5" for a traditional 2x4.


This. When it was cut, it did measure 2"x2"(or 2"x4", etc...). The lumber is cut to size when it is green, (or in other words, right after the tree was cut down) and it must dry before it can be sold. As it dries, it shrinks and then it is planed down to the final size.

 

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wait, so you looked at a 2x2 and couldn't tell that it wasn't a full 2 inches on each side?...


treated lumber is put under pressure to strengthen it. It's the correct size before it's pressurized and treated, and it shrinks some...how do people not know this by the time they are adults? I figured that out on my own when I was like 5.


this is sooooo wrong... speaking from working in the forest industry for 8 years... a 2x4 IS 2" x 4" rough. After it is planed down, it becomes the size it is sold. Pressure treated wood does not shrink more than .05 inches.

I didnt read any more replies past this one by ArchrikierHG, so if it was said already, sorry.

 

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2 x 2 what?

inches?

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When tearing down part of my parents house I found the 2x4's were actually 2" x 4"... Back in the day they were actual size.




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i learned this looooong ago, and learned the Tsing method as explained above.
not so sure what arch is smoking though

BUT, yes, my house has true measured lumber in it as well...was a PITA when i modified a wall last summer angry
i however knew what i was in for and bought accordingly tongue

 

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i learned this looooong ago, and learned the Tsing method as explained above.
not so sure what arch is smoking though

BUT, yes, my house has true measured lumber in it as well...was a PITA when i modified a wall last summer angry
i however knew what i was in for and bought accordingly tongue





Thank you daddy, just tell me what else I need to know in life now please so I do not repeat mistakes like this.

 

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i learned this looooong ago, and learned the Tsing method as explained above.
not so sure what arch is smoking though

BUT, yes, my house has true measured lumber in it as well...was a PITA when i modified a wall last summer angry
i however knew what i was in for and bought accordingly tongue





Thank you daddy, just tell me what else I need to know in life now please so I do not repeat mistakes like this.


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I'm not seeing where I'm wrong...

maybe you missed the comma right before i said "and it shrinks some"? I also said it's the correct size before anything is done to it...which is exactly what you 2 said.

They cut it 2 x 2, it shrinks from being dried up, then they do anything extra with it (spray the treatment stuff on it, press it for the pressure treated stuff, etc).

Guess I worded it poorly or something, you guys sure do get mad about lumber lol.

 

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I'm not seeing where I'm wrong...

maybe you missed the comma right before i said "and it shrinks some"? I also said it's the correct size before anything is done to it...which is exactly what you 2 said.

They cut it 2 x 2, it shrinks from being dried up, then they do anything extra with it (spray the treatment stuff on it, press it for the pressure treated stuff, etc).

Guess I worded it poorly or something, you guys sure do get mad about lumber lol.



Pressure treating has virtually NOTHING to do with the actual size of lumber between when it is "rough sawn" and when it's cut for final delivery.

Non pressure treated lumber is the same dimensions as pressure treated lumber.

Also, the wood drying out has a small bit to do with its final size, but that is negligible - not 25% as in the case of a 2x2 measuring ~1.5" x 1.5"

The "shrinking" is from the rough sawn lumber being planed further, in order to get smooth, square edges and surfaces. This reduces the size somewhat because the rough cuts which have the boards at 2" x 4" aren't all exactly square and/or don't leave the surfaces smooth, but rather with saw marks and/or other potential defects - hence the term "rough" sawn.

 

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Around here, if you want a 2x2 that actually measures 2 inches by two inches, you go to the Amish lumber mill. It's not a good idea to use on a 'modern' home, though. None of the other lumber will match measurements.

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