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Reps and dems would use any means to remove them including murder.
Your politicians are no be then irans or iraqs.
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Wut?
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 Are yours?
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Ours dont seem to resort to murder yet.
But we follow the states in almost every regard. So i will assume it will get that way
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And while not impossible. Its very unlikley we could ever have a independant pm
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I agree Fat Wong. Institutions lose their original purposes and become self sustaining, self perpetuating power structures. Our congress would quickly turn against the electorate if we attempted to remove all of them. People in power don't give it up without a fight.
Im down with Jesus on this: Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and [God-Love-Being] what is God -Love-Being. I believe madness lies down the path of Power.
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Look what they did to Jimmy Carter.
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In what world is/was Jimmy Carter an independent?? 
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Jimmy Carter wasn't corrupt.
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In what world is/was Jimmy Carter an independent??
Read up about him. He ignored lobbyists and many of the "suggestions" Congressional Democrats made to him. Consequently, he couldn't get much done because no one listened to him.
Multiply that by 10 and that's how Ron Paul would do.
Doesn't matter how independent the President is, if Congress isn't.
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I know ALL about Jimmy Carter. I also lived through it like you. No goddamn way Carter an independent.
One thing I do notice about the country today that reminds me of back then is the same feeling ABOUT the country. Take that for what it's worth, but it doesn't bode well and I am not the only person I've talked to that feels the same.
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I know ALL about Jimmy Carter. I also lived through it like you. No goddamn way Carter an independent.
One thing I do notice about the country today that reminds me of back then is the same feeling ABOUT the country. Take that for what it's worth, but it doesn't bode well and I am not the only person I've talked to that feels the same.
You mean the electorate hates the country so much they are about to put an actor in the white house again?
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Yup! That's what I mean!
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We need a dictator - i think id make all the right decisions.
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I know ALL about Jimmy Carter. I also lived through it like you. No goddamn way Carter an independent.
One thing I do notice about the country today that reminds me of back then is the same feeling ABOUT the country. Take that for what it's worth, but it doesn't bode well and I am not the only person I've talked to that feels the same.
Depends how you define independent, I guess. He routinely ignored advice from his advisers and Congressional leaders. He paid little attention to lobbyists. He was probably as independent as it is possible for a President to be.
You could argue that Ron Paul has been more independent in Congress and might well be more independent as President. I would argue that only means he would accomplish absolutely nothing.
I certainly would like to see a change in the culture in Washington. But, an independent President is useless with Congress and lobbyists and all the executive turfs that all have their own agenda and could care less about yours unless you pay attention to theirs.
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I know ALL about Jimmy Carter. I also lived through it like you. No goddamn way Carter an independent.
One thing I do notice about the country today that reminds me of back then is the same feeling ABOUT the country. Take that for what it's worth, but it doesn't bode well and I am not the only person I've talked to that feels the same.
Depends how you define independent, I guess. He routinely ignored advice from his advisers and Congressional leaders. He paid little attention to lobbyists. He was probably as independent as it is possible for a President to be.
You could argue that Ron Paul has been more independent in Congress and might well be more independent as President. I would argue that only means he would accomplish absolutely nothing.
I certainly would like to see a change in the culture in Washington. But, an independent President is useless with Congress and lobbyists and all the executive turfs that all have their own agenda and could care less about yours unless you pay attention to theirs.
not true
president has veto power, he could hold congress and the senate hostage until they comprismised, as long as he had the support of the people (thats my understanding anyways, unless there is a way around veto power.)
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Congress can override a Presidential veto if they get 2/3 votes in the House and Senate.
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Crazy talk Wong
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Congress can override a Presidential veto if they get 2/3 votes in the House and Senate.
 Lets see how far he will take this.
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That is why we must eliminate the political class. Whatever has taken place that has shaped our social systems of governance into managed popularity/slander circuses needs to be removed and replaced. Nobody is going to teach us how to do that, but I've got some ideas! How do I get people to listen? I'd start by demonizing anyone that "looks or acts like a politician." Over time I'd hope to channel the random racists, haters and mean people of the nation's "mad" at anyone in a suit and tie. With luck, average americans will react towards politicians in the same way Nazi's reacted to Jewish innocents, or Whites thought of Blacks. We're so good at hating stuff I don't see why our flaws can't be used for good. Within a few short years politicians would vanish! If only out of self preservation! A good theme song for my campaign would be this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3kcHchD1Y
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Crazy talk Wong
No whats crazy is that no matter who is president. A repulican or democrat is just more of the same.
Imo office of the president is supposed to be an unbiased mediator. Not a tipping point to one or the other parties power.
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"Conservatives" have had their way for the past 40 years for the most part. "Conservative" ideas and designs ruled the country from Nixon (who really was a conservative, but would be considered a socialist liberal commie currently) right thru Bush Mrk. 2.
That is about to change. Younger people are much, much, much more liberal on social issues, and the geezers are retiring and dying off and taking their "conservative" shtick with them. They know it. From here on out it gets more liberal every year for a generation or two.
It's the death knell of social conservatism going on right now. Most tea baggers are in their 50's and above, sure they still vote, but there are less of them every year...and more kids. Sure there are a lot of young "conservatives", but they are the minority in their age group, even if they do whine loud enough to make you forget that some of the time.
Fiscal conservatism has a little longer reach with all the self proclaimed "libertarians" among the youth, but they don't stay libertarian long, once they spit out a few kids....they change their tune. Generational wealth differential is bigger now than at any time in our history, once they get clued in on that, all the "less regulation, free markets or die, let us be free" crap goes away fast. They hold on to the liberal ideals of keep the damn government out of my bedroom however.
Anyway, screw who the President is, it's congress that is going to change stuff, and as the geezers sail off into the sunset, the people replacing them are going to be more and more liberal for a long, long time.
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