Free Beacon posted:

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The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched.

Under the new plan, the Pentagon would get the bulk of its savings by targeting under-65 and Medicare-eligible military retirees through a tiered increase in annual Tricare premiums that will be based on yearly retirement pay.

Significantly, the plan calls for increases between 30 percent to 78 percent in Tricare annual premiums for the first year. After that, the plan will impose five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent—more than 3 times current levels.

The new plan hits active duty personnel by increasing co-payments for pharmaceuticals and eliminating incentives for using generic drugs.

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_Gronk_ posted:

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US citizens already ask that you sacrifice your life for their sake, so this is really nothing but water under the bridge.

Vote Obama 2012

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Jaedence posted:

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_Gronk_ posted:

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US citizens already ask that you sacrifice your life for their sake, so this is really nothing but water under the bridge.

Vote Obama 2012

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No one asked them anything.

We do not have a draft.

They took a job.

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Jaedence posted:

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I don't think retirement benefits should be taken away from anyone. Especially those that have served.

I was merely responding to the fact that we do not have a draft, that it is a volunteer job for pay.

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Akza posted:

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So cutting spending is finally bad mojo? I thought republicans would be ecstatic!

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Akza posted:

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So cutting spending is finally bad mojo? I thought republicans would be ecstatic!

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Brother_Tempus posted:

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Akza posted:

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So cutting spending is finally bad mojo? I thought republicans would be ecstatic!

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As the pie that government steals gets smaller and smaller .. the moochers are starting to fight amongst themselves for a piece ... the squabbling and infighting will get a lot worse and the last of the wealth the US private sector has is drained... then the political theater will get real interesting

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Military.Com posted:

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Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Michele Flournoy said DoD won't try to change the system for current retirees or serving troops, but she said recasting the benefits for future generations of retirees must be on the table if the department is to get control of its spending.

"No one is going to change the contract" of anyone currently serving or who served, Flournoy said, "but we've asked Congress for authority for a commission to look at this holistically to ask the question if we can have a better system."

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Tych2 posted:

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You can't take what BT says seriously. He is a cartoon of a person. He and his ilk are irrelevant in life and the world.They are like petulant children lashing out.

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_Gronk_ posted:

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http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/

Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

Free Beacon posted:

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The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched.

Under the new plan, the Pentagon would get the bulk of its savings by targeting under-65 and Medicare-eligible military retirees through a tiered increase in annual Tricare premiums that will be based on yearly retirement pay.

Significantly, the plan calls for increases between 30 percent to 78 percent in Tricare annual premiums for the first year. After that, the plan will impose five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent—more than 3 times current levels.

The new plan hits active duty personnel by increasing co-payments for pharmaceuticals and eliminating incentives for using generic drugs.

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US citizens already ask that you sacrifice your life for their sake, so this is really nothing but water under the bridge.

Vote Obama 2012

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bstulic posted:

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Tych2 posted:

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You can't take what BT says seriously. He is a cartoon of a person. He and his ilk are irrelevant in life and the world.They are like petulant children lashing out.

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Taliesihne posted:

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The pentagon is driving this and they are notorious for screwing the troops if it means they get to keep their chauffeur and perks that come with a comfy posting in the pentagon. I won't dismiss out of hand that Obama isn't driving this, but it's also entirely possible this is the doing of the bureaucrats at the pentagon.

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Blue_arrow posted:

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Phlegm573 posted:

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Blue_arrow posted:

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Article posted:

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Retired Navy Capt. Kathryn M. Beasley, of the Military Officers Association of America, said the Military Coalition, 32 military service and veterans groups with an estimated 5 million members, is fighting the proposed healthcare increases, specifically the use of mean-testing for cost increases.

“We think it’s absolutely wrong,” Beasley told the Free Beacon. “This is a breach of faith” for both the active duty and retiree communities.

Congressional hearings are set for next month.

The Veterans of Foreign Wars on Feb. 23 called on all military personnel and the veterans’ community to block the healthcare increases.

“There is no military personnel issue more sacrosanct than pay and benefits,” said Richard L. DeNoyer, head of the 2 million-member VFW. “Any proposal that negatively impacts any quality of life program must be defeated, and that’s why the VFW is asking everyone to join the fight and send a united voice to Congress.”

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Desnoxvu posted:

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In other news, "Barack Obama allows the Federal Reserve to give 15 trillion dollars to their wealthy buddies"

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_Gronk_ posted:

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I representtttttttttttt the Lollipop Guild, the Lollipop Guild, the Lollipop Guild.
And in the name of the Lollipop Guild, I wish to welcome you to Munchkin Land

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_Gronk_ posted:

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Please tell us how all the above people who are concerned about the changes are uneducated rubes also, Tali.

Dumbass.

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Taliesihne posted:

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_Gronk_ posted:

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Please tell us how all the above people who are concerned about the changes are uneducated rubes also, Tali.

Dumbass.

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That's easy. Your link is shite and full of lies. The whole thing is to be disbelieved.

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NAVY TIMES posted:

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The nation’s largest veterans group and the biggest association for military officers wasted no time launching complaints about the 2013 defense budget unveiled on Monday.

The 2.4 million-member American Legion says the budget’s proposals to raise health care fees for retirees and create a commission to study ways to reduce military retirement costs break promises to current service members and send a bad message to future troops.

“By increasing, and in some cases quadrupling, health insurance fees for military retirees, you are sending a powerful message to those in uniform and to their families that their decades of service and sacrifice are unappreciated,” said Fang Wong, the the Legion’s national commander, of the Pentagon’s plans for higher Tricare fees for working-age retirees.

While Pentagon officials have promised that any potential changes in retired pay would not apply to current service members, Wong said that doesn’t make it a good idea for the military. “Grandfathering benefits cuts merely tells tomorrow’s veterans that their service isn’t as valuable as those who served before them,” Wong said.

The president of the Military Officers Association of America called the proposed Tricare fee increases a “breach of faith” and accused the Pentagon of using “bait and switch” tactics because modest increases were approved last year and were believed to be the final word on changes.'

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_Gronk_ posted:

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Taliesihne posted:

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_Gronk_ posted:

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Please tell us how all the above people who are concerned about the changes are uneducated rubes also, Tali.

Dumbass.

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That's easy. Your link is shite and full of lies. The whole thing is to be disbelieved.

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Meet Taliesihne, the shill for those who would reduce the benefits to our present and future military veterans.

Tali: Nothing to see here, move on.....


http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/02/military-veterans-groups-unhappy-with-budget-021412w/

Legion, MOAA unhappy with 2013 budget

NAVY TIMES posted:

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The nation’s largest veterans group and the biggest association for military officers wasted no time launching complaints about the 2013 defense budget unveiled on Monday.

The 2.4 million-member American Legion says the budget’s proposals to raise health care fees for retirees and create a commission to study ways to reduce military retirement costs break promises to current service members and send a bad message to future troops.

“By increasing, and in some cases quadrupling, health insurance fees for military retirees, you are sending a powerful message to those in uniform and to their families that their decades of service and sacrifice are unappreciated,” said Fang Wong, the the Legion’s national commander, of the Pentagon’s plans for higher Tricare fees for working-age retirees.

While Pentagon officials have promised that any potential changes in retired pay would not apply to current service members, Wong said that doesn’t make it a good idea for the military. “Grandfathering benefits cuts merely tells tomorrow’s veterans that their service isn’t as valuable as those who served before them,” Wong said.

The president of the Military Officers Association of America called the proposed Tricare fee increases a “breach of faith” and accused the Pentagon of using “bait and switch” tactics because modest increases were approved last year and were believed to be the final word on changes.'

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Tali = Dumbass.

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Liliputian posted:

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ARGLEBARGLE!

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_Gronk_ posted:

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That doesn't make it right to screw military veterans over.

Without them, you would have no country

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_Gronk_ posted:

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It's going to be a great recruiting tool as military veterans tell potential (future) military enlistees/officer HOW the government screwed them over on retirement benefits and how unappreciative civilians are at their service.

Find someone else to defend your sorry arses.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I wonder if 80% of the military realizes that 80% of the military wouldn't have jobs if Ron Paul's vision of the military was actually put into practice. You don't need an army as big as the one we have if you don't use it overseas.

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reesescups posted:

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I wonder if 80% of the military realizes that 80% of the military wouldn't have jobs if Ron Paul's vision of the military was actually put into practice. You don't need an army as big as the one we have if you don't use it overseas.

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I'm pretty sure that on the front lines - they see what our foreign policy does to people, countries, society...

I think they realize that more than you think...

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_Gronk_ posted:

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I understand the problems.

You want the military, but you don't want to pay up.

Have fun recruiting after you screw over the military veterans.

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Taliesihne posted:

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(Some of us don't have sugar mommas)

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_Gronk_ posted:

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Taliesihne posted:

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(Some of us don't have sugar mommas)

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Not my fault you are fat and ugly.

You were still wrong though.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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Your own link proved him right and you wrong. Keep raging though, daddy might eventually take notice.

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Gronk posted:

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Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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Gronk posted:

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Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

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I'm saying that's a lie. And everything you're posted supports that assertion.

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Navy Times posted:

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The 2.4 million-member American Legion says the budget’s proposals to raise health care fees for retirees and create a commission to study ways to reduce military retirement costs break promises to current service members and send a bad message to future troops.

“By increasing, and in some cases quadrupling, health insurance fees for military retirees, you are sending a powerful message to those in uniform and to their families that their decades of service and sacrifice are unappreciated,” said Fang Wong, the the Legion’s national commander, of the Pentagon’s plans for higher Tricare fees for working-age retirees.

While Pentagon officials have promised that any potential changes in retired pay would not apply to current service members, Wong said that doesn’t make it a good idea for the military. “Grandfathering benefits cuts merely tells tomorrow’s veterans that their service isn’t as valuable as those who served before them,” Wong said.

The president of the Military Officers Association of America called the proposed Tricare fee increases a “breach of faith” and accused the Pentagon of using “bait and switch” tactics because modest increases were approved last year and were believed to be the final word on changes.'

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BubbleDude posted:

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Phlegm573 posted:

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Blue_arrow posted:

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Hahahaha wtf was that all about?

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SoBaKi posted:

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Desnoxvu posted:

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In other news, "Barack Obama allows the Federal Reserve to give 15 trillion dollars to their wealthy buddies"

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While Pentagon officials have promised that any potential changes in retired pay would not apply to current service members, Wong said that doesn’t make it a good idea for the military

Taliesihne posted:

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That's easy. Your link is shite and full of lies. The whole thing is to be disbelieved.

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Taliesihne posted:

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Your original link says the cuts are coming to active duty soliders.

That's clearly not the case.

Opinions and reactions offered are based on this point.

It is full of lies.

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_Gronk_ posted:

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I understand the problems.

You want the military, but you don't want to pay up.

Have fun recruiting after you screw over the military veterans.

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_Gronk_ posted:

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""Ryan also opposes proposed increases in co-pays for prescription drugs, something that could raise the cost of a 30-day supply of a brand name drug to $34, up from the current $12.""


How won't this affect current active duty soldiers once they retire?

Its a benefit reduction all-around.

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_Gronk_ posted:

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True, Tych, but the last people you want to screw over is the people defending this country.

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Taliesihne posted:

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That's easy. Your link is shite and full of lies. The whole thing is to be disbelieved.

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Kjarhall posted:

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You can almost hear Muffins spine cracking from all the twisting he's done.

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YouMightSeeMe posted:

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2. Recruiting will never be a problem, America will never have a shortage of rednecks or poor people.

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