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http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/death-penalty-death-watch-is-alabama-about-to-execute-an-innocent-man/
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Man I do not support the death penalty. I don't want the state killing in my name.
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Unless it's brown people and the cause is vengeance.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Unless it's brown people and the cause is vengeance.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Unless it's brown people and the cause is vengeance.
Was that to me? I don't care about being brown. I do support vengeance though.
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What about the families who want the person convicted of killing their loved ones to be executed?
Do you support their vengeance?
Also, if the possibility of innocence bothers you with regards to the death penalty how do you feel about the thousands of innocent civilians that have died as a result of the war in Afghanistan?
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If the family wants to take the law into their hands and do what they want then they need to face the consequences. I've always been of this thought.
What bothers me about the death penalty is you cannot undo that.
Why do I have to mention the difference between death in war and the death penalty? You can't see the difference?
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Mr. Arthur has requested advanced DNA testing of a wig worn by the killer, which could help establish his innocence (or his guilt, for that matter). The Alabama authorities have so far opposed additional testing—despite the fact that Mr. Arthur’s counsel has offered to pay for it and that it could be completed before his execution date.
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I'm now against the death penalty.
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Tych2 posted:
If the family wants to take the law into their hands and do what they want then they need to face the consequences. I've always been of this thought.
What bothers me about the death penalty is you cannot undo that.
Why do I have to mention the difference between death in war and the death penalty? You can't see the difference?
Of course I can see the difference
A person on trial has a chance to defend himself. An innocent civilian killed in a war zone has no chance to defend himself.
More innocent people have been killed by military operations in Afghanistan than have been executed mistakenly in the U.S. You can't undo their deaths either.
So, why is the war for vengeance better than a trial for vengeance?
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Tych2 posted:
Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Unless it's brown people and the cause is vengeance.
Was that to me? I don't care about being brown. I do support vengeance though.
It just seems odd that someone would support death in vengeance but not death in justice. You do realize that innocents are killed in war, right? You can't undo that either.
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Now capital punishment really doesnt deter crime because the people who are doing those vile crimes dont think about what they are doing and they never think they will be caught
The Romans punished people in brutal horrific ways and people still committed crimes. The criminal mind is warped
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Taliesihne posted:
Mr. Arthur has requested advanced DNA testing of a wig worn by the killer, which could help establish his innocence (or his guilt, for that matter). The Alabama authorities have so far opposed additional testing—despite the fact that Mr. Arthur’s counsel has offered to pay for it and that it could be completed before his execution date.
Yeah, I read that too and it is exactly the kind of thing you'd expect to see in a poorly written TV drama with an overzealous prosecutor. However, knowing what country we live it I read it and immediately pictured the prosecution as 
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I'm against the death penalty anyway, with a few exceptions. Such as those that are convicted of crimes of mass economic fraud/theft/destruction, genocidal atrocities, serial killing and, murder (not self defense) while already incarcerated.
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If we can't get by the difference between war and the death penalty then we are going to have a problem moving forward.
@Allstarslacker - I know this will be hard for others to understand and I am just giving my opinion as honestly as I can. Vengeance is an emotional response. If someone were to kill someone I loved and cared about there would be no logic behind my response I would lash out and deal with the consequences afterwards and I would deserve them. When someone is on death row and waiting to be executed I have no emotional attachment to them. I can be more logical in my response. I know killing is wrong for any reason and logically I can't and won't support it.
@Altra_Shadowstalker - I highly doubt we are going to have much of a discussion. Seems like you want to earn some type of gotcha points and thats cool. I just won't entertain it. 
Edit: By the way I am against nearly] all war.
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An innocent civilian killed in a war zone has no chance to defend himself.
Sure they can. They can help overthrow their government and put in a government that doesn't support terrorists. If they can't do that, then exactly how innocent are they?
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I'm not trying for a gotcha, but i know I'm not going to change your mind.
I simply hold Justice in high esteem and vengeance in low. I understand the desire for vengeance but when we're talking about morality or philosophy, it simply seems odd that vengeance makes an act ok where justice makes it bad.
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I didn't say vengeance made it okay. Quite the opposite actually since I said it would be emotional and not logical, but to say I could detach myself from an event where someone killed one of my loved ones would be straight out lying. I know I couldn't. I am only speaking for myself not for others.
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If there is any doubt at all, someone shouldnt be executed. Even if the doubt is unreasonable.
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Tych2 posted:
I didn't say vengeance made it okay. Quite the opposite actually since I said it would be emotional and not logical, but to say I could detach myself from an event where someone killed one of my loved ones would be straight out lying. I know I couldn't. I am only speaking for myself not for others.
So your next step should be to transcend vengeance/anger/hatred and not allow your emotions to overtake your logic. If killing is wrong, the suggestion to turn an entire nation or civilization into a glass parking lot should disturb you. Instead, you succumb to it.
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If killing is wrong, the suggestion to turn an entire nation or civilization into a glass parking lot should disturb you.
Why do you think it doesn't? I can't think of a war I've supported. I will admit to wanting to lash out at the people that did 911 (which was an emotional response).. too bad we didn't attack them.
When we look into ourselves sometimes we don't like what we see. I know this isn't a good side of me, but I don't see me changing. I am speaking of the death penalty. I know you want to focus on war and I do not. I don't support most war.
Perhaps I am not explaining myself well. I've been guilty of that many times.
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If there is no physical evidence tying someone to a crime the death penalty should be off the table IMO.
That said... I'm not going to cry any crocodile tears if they go through with this. The guy was serving time for another murder when this one happened? Good riddance.
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Tych2 posted:
Man I do not support the death penalty. I don't want the state killing in my name.
In theory I support the death penalty.There are people who plain and simply deserve to die but there isn't a situation where I'd ever empower my government to make that decision in my name.
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Meh. The guy has earned his right to sit in the hot seat.
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Tych, I was just feeling out your views, thanks for clarifying... Slow day on the Outpost.
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If there is no physical evidence tying someone to a crime the death penalty should be off the table IMO.
That said... I'm not going to cry any crocodile tears if they go through with this. The guy was serving time for another murder when this one happened? Good riddance.
Second degree murder. I agree with the first part of your statement, but it sounds as if he was found guilty only because he was guilty of the first murder. I don't think anyone should be executed for second degree murder.
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I hate capital punishment and i think thats the point.
Its supposed to be hard, its supposed to be sick, etc...
I have mixed feelings regarding keeping it legal though. Id be okay with getting rid of it.
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What bothers me about the death penalty is you cannot undo that.
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