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The religion of peace.
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The moronic fundamentalist.
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90% Muslim extremist, 10% people who provoked them.
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Dae sinply because it rhymes with Dye, Dai and Die and I don't like any of those.
OTOH, killing or rioting or having apoplexy or developing rectal disfuntion over someone burning a book is tantamount to proving that evolution in some areas of the world ceased about the time Christ got nailed.
There is no justification for violence without violent cause and it behooves me to hope that these religious zealots shall eventually inherit the neutron (and hopefully, sooner than later).
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You left out the people who were using the Koran to pass notes between them. They are the ones who caused this. If not burning what...just throw them out? What is "proper dispose"? Clearly this is a dammed of you do dammed of you don’t. It is just an excuse for the mob to kill people.
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I'm not making an excuse for their religion or more accurately, their culture, but honestly we have no business being there in the manner that we are. People will make of that what they want to because we have our own "extremists" here.
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Small people get caught up in labels. Thats why they think burning our flag is so poweful when none of us here give a crap when they burn our flag. Its just a label, they cant hurt us by burning our flag because the flag is nothing more than a label. They however have no value within their koran - it is not whats in the koran, its the koran itself. Thats how shallow they are and thats why they are so prone to violence and disruption.
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In a case of murder the murderer is to blame by definition.
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Had to go with Dae on this one...
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AzureTyger posted: 90% Muslim extremist, 10% people who provoked them.
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Uhm... the dudes... doing... the murdering? It seems pretty surreal to even have to clarify that by typing it. But then again, that's the ass of a world we now live in.
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Their objective was to pick a fight. They got a fight. Dumbasses on both sides of that case.
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Seems like something warmongers would do when they are running out of war to sell. Burn something precious to disposable people and media your way into another 12 months in country.
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Where is the cultural Marxist Zionist option?
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Fist_de_Yuma posted: You left out the people who were using the Koran to pass notes between them. They are the ones who caused this. If not burning what...just throw them out? What is "proper dispose"?
How do you dispose of a bible?
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How do you dispose of a bible?
Um...throw it out. You can even burn it if needed, if for some reason, people in a prison were using it to pass messages.
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Initially, us. But as this point, them. We've done the right thing and copped to the mistake and apologized. If they want to continue to be pissed and riot, there isn't much that can be done about it. That's why I say it's on them at this point.
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NuEM posted: In a case of murder the murderer is to blame by definition.
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Obviously people shouldn't murder people over the disposal of a book or two.
But it was also pretty grade-A stupid to burn a bunch of qurans and then throw them on a garbage heap outside the military base. Whoever was responsible for that one should be sent home ASAP because they are clearly not competent to be in a decision-making position in a foreign country.
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When you occupy a country for a decade, you will have a few mistakes. The only real good way to eliminate these mistakes is to stop occupying countries.
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Eager_Igraine posted:
NuEM posted: In a case of murder the murderer is to blame by definition.
Yup.
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theredkay1 posted: When you occupy a country for a decade, you will have a few mistakes. The only real good way to eliminate these mistakes is to stop occupying countries.
Yes and no. Burning Qurans and leaving them on a garbage heap outside the base is not a mistake that should ever happen, whether or not you are occupying countries. It is not an understandable mistake. If it is an understanble mistake, there is something very, very wrong with the culture of the base.
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Any dumbass stupid enough to believe in AND FOLLOW THE EDICTS OF a religion that charters "death" as an appropriate punishment for destroying a physical thing deserves to be committed to a mental institution. They're either incompetent, insane, blood-lusted, or some combination of the three.
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and here I always thought it was dae rhymes with gay
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Yukishiro1 posted:
theredkay1 posted: When you occupy a country for a decade, you will have a few mistakes. The only real good way to eliminate these mistakes is to stop occupying countries.
Yes and no. Burning Qurans and leaving them on a garbage heap outside the base is not a mistake that should ever happen, whether or not you are occupying countries. It is not an understandable mistake. If it is an understanble mistake, there is something very, very wrong with the culture of the base.
Errors of judgement happen.
This isnt on the same level as other unbelievable errors of judgement for an occupying force...like say rounding people up and putting them in ovens....
Mistakes of this level should be expected to happen when you have thousands of people making thousands of decisions. Sh*t happens. We can pretend like this should never happen, but we know it will. If we stay a few more years, someone else will make a bad decision and people will use it as an excuse to kill others.
You can get around this easily by leaving.
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Again, yes and no. If we apply the same standards to anything we realize that soldiers massacring civilians for fun is bound to happen in any war. That doesn't make it understandable or excusable when it happens.
I agree we shouldn't be in a situation where stuff like this can happen but the inevitability of human stupidity doesn't make being stupid ok. This is a tremendous cock-up that never should have occured.
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Who are the two that blamed America? I bet they blame rape victims for how they dress.
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Other : US government foriegn policy
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Well I guess I have half my answer.
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Radical Afghani Muslims, of course. Quick question on this topic…
I thought it was considered to be desecration of the Koran to write in it and that burning it was an acceptable method of disposing of it once this desecration was discovered. I heard this at one point, but it’s fallen off the discussion plate everywhere. Does anyone know for sure?
This is about as ape-shit stupid as killing people over cartoons.
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Yukishiro1 posted: Again, yes and no. If we apply the same standards to anything we realize that soldiers massacring civilians for fun is bound to happen in any war. That doesn't make it understandable or excusable when it happens.
I agree we shouldn't be in a situation where stuff like this can happen but the inevitability of human stupidity doesn't make being stupid ok. This is a tremendous cock-up that never should have occured.
Im not excusing it. It was an error. People often make bad decisions, there is no way to eliminate that.
When mistakes happen in a game of cards, the impact is minimal. When mistakes happen while you are occupying a country for 10 years, the impact is very different. The US should be absolutely certain that other mistakes will happen in the future over there.
The murdered Americans dont really give a shit about who is to blame. The future Americans who will undoubtedly die as a result of a big future screwup in America should not find any solace in the fact that one party or another is more to blame for their death.
You should try to limit the times you put large groups of people in situations where their mistakes end up killing other people. 'Correctly assigning' blame in this case wont do much to help the Americans who will assuredly die in the future because of the next mistake.
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Mistakes will always happen but that doesn't mean every mistake is inevitable. This one clearly wasn't.
I am on board with the general point but I don't think this is a very good example of inevitable mistakes happening. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could have seen what a bad idea this was. Something obviously needs to change if the base has a culture where something like this can happen.
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It only takes burning two Korans to troll the religion of peace.
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I am sure the dead people are laughing at the troll too.
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But how can you make an omelet without breaking some eggs?
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Doesn't matter what book or how many they burn, there is no justification of murdering innocent people that played no part in the action. If they burn the bible no one says a thing. If someone burns a Koran then everyone gets their panties in a bunch.
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reesescups posted: But how can you make an omelet without breaking some eggs?
And if your breakfast came with bacon, then HOLYWAR!!4!
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Where is my "All the idiots that caused and did this" option? We need to get the fuck out and let those people sort out their own crazy.
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Have to admit Obama handled this well. Getting on his knees, saying he is so, so sorry; will you please stop killing our people in cold blood. Please stop burning and looting. Please forgive us.
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