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He is for poor people getting on public transportation instead. Why do poor people need cars anyway?
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I know! It's not like they have jobs to go to.
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Let the rabble ride busses.
Also he hopes they abort themselves and use birth control to keep their population under control
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Belltown Baby!! Free busses. Entertainment in walking distance. Who needs cars?
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I'll never give up my car! 
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You are selfish and wasteful and harm the planet by having a car
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Yup!
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I went with a diesel pickup it saves gas, I used to get around 11 mpg with my F-350 5.4L but my Dodge Cummins 6.7L gets 13.5.
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I don't want to spoil your fun with facts but Obama has made more land available for oil drilling that was previously off limits than has any other US president in history..
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ineenia posted:
I don't want to spoil your fun with facts but Obama has made more land available for oil drilling that was previously off limits than has any other US president in history..
Obama is in bed with the oil companies!!!! ARGLEBARGLE
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ineenia posted:
I don't want to spoil your fun with facts but Obama has made more land available for oil drilling that was previously off limits than has any other US president in history..
That would be more helpful if it was land where anyone wanted to drill for oil.
Most of it isn't.
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Oil drilling in the US is up and gas prices are up.
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paulg_68 posted:
ineenia posted:
I don't want to spoil your fun with facts but Obama has made more land available for oil drilling that was previously off limits than has any other US president in history..
That would be more helpful if it was land where anyone wanted to drill for oil.
Most of it isn't.
Incorrect.
See expansion of Bakken fields, and the tentative new approval just a few days ago for Shell drilling off the coast of Alaska, despite environmental group opposition.
Entire towns are being erected for new drilling.
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ineenia posted:
I don't want to spoil your fun with facts but Obama has made more land available for oil drilling that was previously off limits than has any other US president in history..
How about that hopey changey thing working out for you? You like the $4 a gallon gasoline? Thank Obama
One of the first actions the Obama team took when it assumed office in was to direct Secretary of the Interior Salazar to cancel 77 shale oil and gas leases in Utah. The next year they canceled 61 onshore leases in Montana. TheGreen River shale formation in Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado, has an estimated 800 billion barrels of oil, which is three times the proven reserves of Saudi Arabia
Peaked with Jimmy Cater as as he shut production down it’s been going down ever since. So isn’t the real question why does the USA give hundreds of billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia each year?
http://tarpon.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/usa-oil-production.jpg
http://tarpon.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/obama-how-to-raise-the-oil-price-and-raise-gasoline-prices/
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Incorrect.
See expansion of Bakken fields, and the tentative new approval just a few days ago for Shell drilling off the coast of Alaska, despite environmental group opposition.
Entire towns are being erected for new drilling.
I said "most of it isn't."
I was already aware that there are a few new spots that are being used. Ineenia made the point that Obama had opened up more land than any other President in history. Obama did that specifically because he knew people were too ignorant to realize that most locations with oil can't be profitably worked at present. He gets to claim credit for opening up lots of new land while still blocking most of the places the oil companies want to drill.
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When was the last time a oil refinery got a permit?
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Refineries increase their capacities all the time. If oil companies got permits to build new refineries there would not be an explosion of new building like some people expect.
Total refinery capacity is already in the sweet spot from a business perspective.
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Obama against drilling for oil
Is that why more drilling permits and refinery permits have been approved in the last 4 years than the previous 12 years combined?
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paulg_68 posted:
Kjarhall posted:
Incorrect.
See expansion of Bakken fields, and the tentative new approval just a few days ago for Shell drilling off the coast of Alaska, despite environmental group opposition.
Entire towns are being erected for new drilling.
I said "most of it isn't."
I was already aware that there are a few new spots that are being used. Ineenia made the point that Obama had opened up more land than any other President in history. Obama did that specifically because he knew people were too ignorant to realize that most locations with oil can't be profitably worked at present. He gets to claim credit for opening up lots of new land while still blocking most of the places the oil companies want to drill.
And you're still incorrect.
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Total refinery capacity is already in the sweet spot from a business perspective.
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Aerlinthian posted:
paulg_68 posted:
Total refinery capacity is already in the sweet spot from a business perspective.
Unless you want publicly owned refineries, I'm not sure what else you can hope for.
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http://www.eia.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_gasoline.html
Gasoline Demand (Million Barrels per Day)
Year Ago 8.746... Four-Week Averages 02/03/12..02/17/12 8.038 8.081 8.213 ...Four-Week Averages Year Ago 9.101
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TheGreen River shale formation in Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado, has an estimated 800 billion barrels of oil, which is three times the proven reserves of Saudi Arabia
pretending that estimated reserves and proven recoverable reserves are the same thing is pretty dumb.
Green river needs a ton of water and power for the extraction process. There are currently no viable options to bring water and power into the area on the scale needed.
You might as well be championing the mineral reserves on the moon at this point.
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Getting power to an oil field is rarely a problem. Reason should be obvious.
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reesescups posted:
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Is that why more drilling permits and refinery permits have been approved in the last 4 years than the previous 12 years combined?
that would be only private and state lands...federal land, oil drilling production is down,, buckweet
but like you and obama are taking credit, but over look the part that it takes orver 5+ years to get production going
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Conservatives live in a bubble sealed off from reality it seems.
Factcheck.org posted:
U.S. Oil Production: Up or Down?
While Republicans have criticized Obama’s energy policies, the president has touted — as he did in a March 11 press conference — that oil production rose last year.
Obama, March 11: Last year, American oil production reached its highest level since 2003. Let me repeat that. Our oil production reached its highest level in seven years. Oil production from federal waters in the Gulf of Mexico reached an all-time high.
Obama is right on both counts. EIA data (table 4a) shows that total domestic production of crude oil was 5.51 million barrels per day, including 1.64 million barrels per day from the Gulf of Mexico. Historical EIA data shows that the last time the U.S. produced that much total oil was in 2003, when it generated 5.68 million barrels per day. (We already addressed that 2010 was indeed a record year for the Gulf.)
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/is-obama-to-blame-for-4-gasoline/
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Blue_arrow posted:
reesescups posted:
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Obama against drilling for oil
Is that why more drilling permits and refinery permits have been approved in the last 4 years than the previous 12 years combined?
that would be only private and state lands...federal land, oil drilling production is down,, buckweet
So you want Obama to nationalize and force them to drill? Permits are there, what more do you want him to do?
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but like you and obama are taking credit, but over look the part that it takes orver 5+ years to get production going
Taking credit? I'm just stating facts. Perhaps you should have blamed Bush for not getting the permits going?
Or you accept reality and blame the actual companies for not drilling, instead of blaming Government for doing it's job...
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