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http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120222/NEWS/302220184 Mark and Elizabeth Byron had a son in July 2010, but their marriage soon became troubled. She accused him of verbally abusing her, threatening her with his fist and threatening to “end†her life. While Mark Byron, an Over-the-Rhine photographer who has worked freelance assignments for The Enquirer, was exonerated of criminal allegations, a civil protective order was issued instructing him to stay away from his wife. Mark Byron also argued the same court prevented him from seeing his son. In a Nov. 23, 2011, Facebook posting, he blasted the situation and the judicial system he believed wronged him. “...if you are an evil, vindictive woman who wants to ruin your husbands life and take your son’s father away from him completely – all you need to do is say that you're scared of your husband or domestic partner...†he wrote on Facebook. Elizabeth Byron learned of it – even though her husband blocked her from viewing his page – and believed it violated a previous protective order by Domestic Relations Court Magistrate Paul Meyers that prevented Mark Byron from doing anything to cause his wife “to suffer physical and/or mental abuse, harassment, annoyance, or bodily injury.†Elizabeth Byron believed her husband’s Facebook rant violated the court order, and the comments about it made by Mark Byron’s Facebook friends made her “afraid,†court documents note. That, she said, violated the previous order from harassing her – even though the post wasn’t addressed to her and she was blocked from viewing it. “She wasn’t harassed,†Fakhoury said, “because she deliberately sought this out.†Meyers found Mark Byron in contempt and ordered him jailed for 60 days beginning March 19 – and to post for 30 days on his Facebook an apology to his wife, written by Meyers, if he wanted to avoid jail. Owned.
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Idiotic.
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AzureTyger posted: That, she said, violated the previous order from harassing her – even though the post wasn’t addressed to her and she was blocked from viewing it.
That's the problem I have, here. That's like saying a statement you make to your friends in a bar that happens to get picked up on a closed circuit TV can be labeled as 'harassment', even though the person you're talking about is in another state at the time. Judges just do NOT get tech, sometimes, and make these stupid decisions that wreck precedent through ignorance.
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Manegarm posted: Idiotic.
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I think getting rid of everyone 50+ out of any position of power would do the world a shitload of good.
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Manegarm posted: I think getting rid of everyone 50+ out of any position of power would do the world a shitload of good.
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More of the same absurd crap that's been going on for 20 years.
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Manegarm posted: I think getting rid of everyone 50+ out of any position of power would do the world a shitload of good.
I doubt it. Everyone who would replace them was raised by them or the people who elected them. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Western society hasn't quite hit the bottom yet, and the climb back up will take a long time. Our biggest problems are societal, and those take multiple generations to change.
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Manegarm posted: Idiotic.
This. Who cares what FB says. I never even look at my account. The punishment is akin to being forced to say the word blue.
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This would be my facebook post if I was that guy.. "I'm sorry my wife is a hyperbolic, vindictive, insane bitch. I in no way wish any mental or physical harm to come to her, even though she is doing her best to ruin my god damn life. God will sort her out and I sincerely hope that he doesn't send her immortal soul to hell for eternity for evilly, and without thought to her own childs welfare, separating him from the love and companionship of his father. I wrote this because not only do I fully and, under oath, swear that it is true, but some judge told me he would send me to jail if I didn't". Then I would kidnap the kid and move to Brazil.
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This will be upheld, though I don't really agree with it. It's no different then making someone wear an 'I stole' sign.
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Ptilk posted: This would be my facebook post if I was that guy.. "I'm sorry my wife is a hyperbolic, vindictive, insane bitch. I in no way wish any mental or physical harm to come to her, even though she is doing her best to ruin my god damn life. God will sort her out and I sincerely hope that he doesn't send her immortal soul to hell for eternity for evilly, and without thought to her own childs welfare, separating him from the love and companionship of his father. I wrote this because not only do I fully and, under oath, swear that it is true, but some judge told me he would send me to jail if I didn't". Then I would kidnap the kid and move to Brazil.
Madagascar. No extradition treaty.
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Taliesihne posted: This will be upheld, though I don't really agree with it. It's no different then making someone wear an 'I stole' sign.
It's not the punishment that's the problem. It was never harassment in the first place.
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Elizabeth Byron learned of it – even though her husband blocked her from viewing his page – and believed it violated a previous protective order by Domestic Relations Court Magistrate Paul Meyers that prevented Mark Byron from doing anything to cause his wife “to suffer physical and/or mental abuse, harassment, annoyance, or bodily injury.†Abuse, harassment and bodily injury is fine to list. But annoyance? That is beyond stupid. It definitely isn't harassment, and should be tossed.
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Some are missing the point. He never mentioned his wife in anyway with his statement. It was a generalized statement about the judicial system and what can happen. If that is the burden for violating the court order she can say she was harassed by anything he posts about anything. I would appeal on first amendment rights.
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Bowlartz posted:
Some are missing the point. He never mentioned his wife in anyway with his statement. It was a generalized statement about the judicial system and what can happen. If that is the burden for violating the court order she can say she was harassed by anything he posts about anything. I would appeal on first amendment rights.
Our legal system is built around money and capriciousness. If you have the money to hire attorneys to represent you and file appeals and have the sort of job you can take lots of time off in order to show up in court to deal with appeals, then you have a good chance. Otherwise you are at the mercy of the whim of the judges and the mercy of the financial capacity of your opponent to do the same.
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Bowlartz posted: I would appeal on first amendment rights.
You would lose. No laws have been passed.
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Taliesihne posted:
Bowlartz posted: I would appeal on first amendment rights.
You would lose. No laws have been passed.
Judges can give unlawful rulings that get overturned on appeal. Happens all the time.
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The precedent for this is already set. As I noted earlier, judges require defendants to appear in public and make apologies\admit to wrong doing all the time. As the legislature has not passed any new law, I doubt this would be overturned on first amendment grounds. "Congress shall pass no law..." What it could be overturned on is the harassment\annoyance ruling initially issued. I don't think it will be, but admit that's a viable legal argument.
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Annoying? Ok now lets all go to Facebook and you dipsticks can start writing your apologies to me.
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Taliesihne posted: The precedent for this is already set. As I noted earlier, judges require defendants to appear in public and make apologies\admit to wrong doing all the time. As the legislature has not passed any new law, I doubt this would be overturned on first amendment grounds. "Congress shall pass no law..." What it could be overturned on is the harassment\annoyance ruling initially issued. I don't think it will be, but admit that's a viable legal argument.
Contempt convictions (which is what happens when a judge finds you in contempt, he convicts you) can be overturned just like any other. Please do the reading. Sure other judges require various things and those things are OK if they are found to not violate the defendants rights. The judge was fine to offer the first ruling, he was wrong to allow the Facebook post to qualify as violating it. It most certainly could be overturned on first amendment grounds.
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The contempt ruling will not be overturned on first amendment grounds.
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Taliesihne posted: The contempt ruling will not be overturned on first amendment grounds.
We would never know until he actually appealed it but it most certainly could be.
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Ridiculously stupid ruling.
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So that tard who shot up his daughter's laptop is a judge now?
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If I tell all your friends you like my wang but I never tell you I haven't done anything to you? Some of you are really stupid. And yes this is addressed to you.
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GrilledCheez posted: If I tell all your friends you like my wang but I never tell you I haven't done anything to you? Some of you are really stupid. And yes this is addressed to you.
You're analogy: you might want to rethink it after reading what he actually posted. It would look like this: If I tell all of your friends that women like my wang but I never tell you have I done anything to you?
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Allstarslacker posted:
Manegarm posted: I think getting rid of everyone 50+ out of any position of power would do the world a shitload of good.
I doubt it. Everyone who would replace them was raised by them or the people who elected them. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Western society hasn't quite hit the bottom yet, and the climb back up will take a long time. Our biggest problems are societal, and those take multiple generations to change.
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Manegarm posted: Idiotic.
This. Who cares what FB says. I never even look at my account. The punishment is akin to being forced to say the word blue.
as they grow old and we replace them with new people this problem with become less and less apparent with time, the conservative entrenched blind idealists are generally always old people, thus seeing to it that the actual productive part of society is heard and not the f'kin "when i was young" choir.
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Neither side will ever fully die out. The country will die long before either idea.
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Manegarm posted: as they grow old and we replace them with new people this problem with become less and less apparent with time, the conservative entrenched blind idealists are generally always old people, thus seeing to it that the actual productive part of society is heard and not the f'kin "when i was young" choir.
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Manegarm posted: Idiotic.
yep.. the American judicial system is about as retarded as it gets. It's so slanted to women in so many cases it's sickening. Now I know that there are a lot of cases that it is justly done and I don't really care to know the details of this case but it really is quite scary out there if you ever date a vindictive B!@#$
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