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Growing that guy did drugs and was really rebelleous. I just heard him on the radio saying he was sure Rick Santorum was a christian, wasnt sure Obama was a christian because of his stand on social issues and because he coddled muslims lol, Romney wasnt a christian but he is a nice guy, and Newt had lots of affairs but he is a Christian
His father didnt say crap like that. Its embarrassing. At least his dad is not around to see this
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Sounds like he's saying pretty much the same thing as you do on the Outpost.
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If you start being the arbiter of who is a better Christian, you have already lost the meaning of the word
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Well Yuki I troll here. He is a respected person because of his father
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At least his dad is not around to see this
Not sure if serious..
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His father would be ashamed of what he is saying. Billy Graham didnt take sides politically like his son is now doing. He stayed out of controvery and politics and focused on evangelicalism and his ministry
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Billy Graham is alive Bonk.
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You speak as if he is dead, lol.
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Is he really? I thought he died
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hahahaha
to be fair he is really freaking old. 2 years younger than my grandpa and my grandpa is ancient.
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I really like and respect Billy Graham. His son not so much.
I dont expect public officials to speak like I post on the Outpost especially Billy Grahams son
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My reaction to all of those charlatans is the always the same.
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Billy Graham was different, one of kind evangelist.
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Taliesihne posted:
Billy Graham is alive Bonk.
Haha, we have to keep nudging Bonk along on reality. Give him a few days and he will make a thread laughing at people that thought Graham Sr was dead.
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I'm shocked he is still alive 
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That dude should get a few awards and accolades thrown his way before he passes. From the outside he has seemed like a voice of peace for many decades.
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Billy Graham is a great man. He is apolitical and he is focused on helping others and evangelicalism. His son is a typical politically involved member of the religious right
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I don't know much if anything about the son, but I remember some article in Newsweek or Time or something long ago, where the son was trying to send boxes of aid to Iraqi people and the state department came down on him because the crates had bible verses written on the outside of them. He may be a horrible person, no idea, but he seemed to get a blunt thwap from the PC department when trying to do a good humanitarian deed. People are too thin skinned these days.
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I doubt Obama is in fact a Christian. At least outside of political debate or public eye
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I defend the rights of the non intrusive religious to practice their faiths unimpeded and unridiculed as long as they keep their ball on their side of the fence.
Mastboro you do not fall into that category, dismissing other people and other faiths as lacking and not the TRUE way.
You are the poster child for all that is wrong in religion. You are the very source of power for your ideological foes, and you are too stupid to see it.
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I dont doubt Obama is a Christian. Mormons however arent Christians
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Good to know moe. /shrug
I just cannot believe this man is a Christian. And are you saying Jesus wasn't intrusive? He walked up to people and spoke out to crowds of people saying that things were wrong. On top of that so were the prophets before him. He was not tolerant of falsehood at all in any form. While he loved them, he did not stand down or back down on the basis of hurting feelings or offending someone because of their personal beliefs, he spoke out openly against falsehood, and wrong in general and people hated him for it. Enough that they wanted to stone him on many occasions, even condemn him to death while he did nothing wrong. People often misunderstand Jesus(God) as thinking he was some timid weakling that couldn't hold his own. He was a man's man. And he spoke out openly against all the religious leaders, even the government of his time, his own people, strangers and people from other countries and other races, if it meant them knowing the truth and the possibility of coming to repentance. He didnt stop preaching or stop speaking publicly because people didnt like it. I have no shame in following in his footsteps. Even if that means being slandered or ridiculed by you or from every single person on this earth, I wont back down. I wont be ashamed, and I wont quit. Plain and simple.
Moe, in all honesty you can hate me with every ounce of your being, you can not like me and so can the rest here. It just doesn't and wont change anything. I still wont stop. But you can build a bridge, and get over it guy. Simple as that.
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Jesus doesnt conform to the modern political ideals of liberalism or conservatism. He wasnt political at all. His message was one of love and compassion especially to the downtrodden in society.
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I agree. He loved enough to tell the truth even though it hurt. Even though it meant his death, even on a cross. So yes, love above all else. But people mistake love for tolerance. Jesus never tolerated sin. While he forgave it, he always spoke against it. So what is the issue here? Obama says hes a christian, do we know for sure? Of course not. None of us know the man personally. But from the things he says, supports and does I cannot draw the conclusion that he is. I could be wrong. I dont disregard that possibility. But its my belief that he isnt.
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He was against violence as shown by how he told Peter to put down the sword after he cut off that mans ear
He was not a revolutionary in a traditional sense and he wasnt a political religious leader like many of the Jewish rebels at the time.
He also was for submitting peacefully to the government even an evil one like Rome.
He doesnt conform to any modern political notion or any political notion at all.
The Sermon on the Mount and some of his other sayings are what he believed.
I believe a Christian can be liberal like Obama. Christianity is not liberal or conservative and its totally color blind
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He was against violence as shown by how he told Peter to put down the sword after he cut off that mans ear
He was not a revolutionary in a traditional sense and he wasnt a political religious leader like many of the Jewish rebels at the time.
He also was for submitting peacefully to the government even an evil one like Rome.
He doesnt conform to any modern political notion or any political notion at all.
The Sermon on the Mount and some of his other sayings are what he believed.
I believe a Christian can be liberal like Obama. Christianity is not liberal or conservative and its totally color blind
He was against violence. But not for the reason that you quoted from peter. Peter wanted to stop him from being crucified as the scriptures said. Which is why Jesus said "shall I not drink the cup my father has given me?" As Jesus said himself, had he said the word there would be thousands and thousands of angels that would fight for him. He wasn't here to start a revolution in that sense. But a kingdom that was not of this earth, as he spoke to pilate. Although there will be one here in the future. He spoke against the pharisees and the sadducees because they " put heavy burdens on people that they themselves could not do".
Obey the law, so long as it does not go against God's law. That is number one. Above all else. God's law trumps the law of the land (to believers) so obey God even if it means death. The sermon on the mount were some of his teachings yes. Christianity is technically politically neutral. But, on certain issues I dont see how one can be distinguished as Christian and yet be for lets say, killing babies. Or what some of you may just call fetus's. Or gay marriage, which the bible speaks against. I think that as Christians we have the right and responsibility to oppose such issues and I believe scripture backs that up. Thats my belief. It may differ from most here, but that wont stop me from voicing my view. It never has.
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Mastara posted:
I doubt Obama is in fact a Christian. At least outside of political debate or public eye
Right....
He's been going to church every Sunday his entire life because he knew someday he would run for president. He's been married to the same woman he had kids with, never strayed, tries to help people btu I bet you think he's a Muslim sleeper agent - right?
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I'm shocked he is still alive
In dead pool tho
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Jaedence posted:
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I doubt Obama is in fact a Christian. At least outside of political debate or public eye
Right....
He's been going to church every Sunday his entire life because he knew someday he would run for president. He's been married to the same woman he had kids with, never strayed, tries to help people btu I bet you think he's a Muslim sleeper agent - right?
That doesn't count unless you do it Mastboro's way. There are other fundamentalist of another religion that feels exactly like Mastboro.
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