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Admittedly polls at this stage mean nothing. But I still find this rather sthocking. Santorum is basically the same as Obama in every way except he is white, douchier on social issues and has an (R) by his name.
I can see why people would not like Obama and why they would vote against him. But why on earth would you vote for Santorum?
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because he's keen on jesus and not a kenyan muslim turrorist? duh
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Because... Obama... f*cking sucks THAT bad?
Yes.
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this whole country is goddamn retarded
democracy /fail
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To be only a couple points ahead of a moroon like Santorum should result in Obama being toppled and the Dems putting in something less stupid.
Hell, it should result in a schism that creates a viable 3rd and 4th party.
This is America, though. So it won't.
We're stuck with the two flavors of the same bullsh*t brand.
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It's a very safe bet that a large number of people who vote for Santorum listen to Zionist neocon radio. You have people like Mark Levin & Sean Hanity who are big boosters for Santorum. And those are unfortunately nationally syndicated shows.
Those are the people who never put two and two together after the debacle of Iraq was proven. They still believe all the hype how we're hated for our "freedom" and are just too stupid to realize that any freedom that they think they may have is an illusion. An illusion propped up by being able to get out and stuff their retarded faces at a fast food poison outlet and go drink their favorite swill at a Hooters.
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this whole country is goddamn retarded
democracy /fail
Which is once again why I advocate states test for constituent competence to be able to participate in the electoral process.
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Santorum is for real. I did not believe it either until last week. If you can get past his nauseating social positions he has a repackaged economic pitch.
I sat in a room with alot of Dems and listened to Santorum speak last week, and there were many reluctant nods of agreement with what Santorum was saying.
Last month Romney was leading polls in here by double digits. Next week Santorum will kick sand in Romney's face and steal the Michigan primary.
I have no idea what to make of it other than Santorum is not to be taken lightly any longer.
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Aerlinthian posted:
Elocism posted:
this whole country is goddamn retarded
democracy /fail
Which is once again why I advocate states test for constituent competence to be able to participate in the electoral process.
You must realize that such a test would be create and administered by Zionists though, and you'd be considered ineligible to vote!
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Most of the polls I've seen show a lot more than a 3 point difference.
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If you consider yourself a fiscal conservative AND you support Santorum, do us all a favor and go off yourself now.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/14/2641738/santorums-voting-record-at-odds.html
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And if you consider yourself a liberty loving constitutionalist AND a Ron Paul supporter, grats on /failing hard
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I just looked at the house roll call for the vote on HR 1540 yesterday, the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011, and it shows Ron Paul as one of the 14 members who didn't vote. Considering this bill had the terrorism detainee amendment, what was Ron doing yesterday that was more important than showing up to the floor for this vote?
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Elocism posted:
this whole country is goddamn retarded
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I haven't seen any polls that show such a narrow margin. This aggregate of polls seems to show most are around 6-7.
http://www.nationalpolls.com/2012/obama-vs-santorum.html
That said, even 6-7 is surprisingly narrow. The problem is we do have a lot of idiotic religious zealots who'd love to turn the country into a Christian holy land. The people of the US can be a slow and sad lot. 
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I really hope it isn't the religious right.
If it is the "anyone is better than Obama" mentality, then they are just jumping on the current bandwagon.
Give it a couple weeks.
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even the USA
Canada seems immune, though I don't follow it much. Maybe we can toss out our government and ask Canada to take us over?
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Most likely the truth is that many probably probably don't know very much about Santorum. It's the 'not Obama' vote more than anything.
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Sinlock posted:
I haven't seen any polls that show such a narrow margin. This aggregate of polls seems to show most are around 6-7.
http://www.nationalpolls.com/2012/obama-vs-santorum.html
That said, even 6-7 is surprisingly narrow. The problem is we do have a lot of idiotic religious zealots who'd love to turn the country into a Christian holy land. The people of the US can be a slow and sad lot.
That and a certain % of the population is going to vote GOP or Dem no matter what.
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I just looked at the house roll call for the vote on HR 1540 yesterday, the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011, and it shows Ron Paul as one of the 14 members who didn't vote. Considering this bill had the terrorism detainee amendment, what was Ron doing yesterday that was more important than showing up to the floor for this vote?
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Your own link is meant to discredit your pitch? 
Oh wait, the big stupid grin gives that away.
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Wait until gas hits $5 a gallon this summer..
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if it ends up being Santorum vs. Obama I'm going to be f'ing pissed
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Can you imagine the absolute spittle shooting meltdowns that would happen if Santorum won? 80% of you all would have to go back into the closet.
I would almost feel guilty pointing out the usual OP suspects to Santorum's secret police informing them you said mean things bout him. Almost.
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America is doomed
Because the best President we've had in 40 years gets re-elected in a landslide?
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can you even make-up the great and wonderful things you think he will do in the second term?
he won't do anything, except mimic his predecessor
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A lot of people have no clue who Santorum is or what he stands for. This allows them to project. We all know who Obama is and what we individually do not like about him.
Should there be a reason to find out who Mr. Frothy-anal-lube really is, the polls will no doubt change.
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The electorate voted for W Bush two terms-nuff said.
In general, the great unwashed are dumbasses
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The electorate voted for W Bush two terms-nuff said.
In general, the great unwashed are dumbasses
The other establishment choices were Gore & Kerry, nuff said. People need to look past the establishment for candidates.
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People need to look past the establishment for candidates.
and vote for your republican candidate who's been in office for more than 20 years, right? 
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OP: Do you not get that people know Obama sucks as President that much?
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Sea_of_inK posted:
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People need to look past the establishment for candidates.
and vote for your republican candidate who's been in office for more than 20 years, right?
Implying that Paul is part of the establishment when his track record makes clear that he has been a lone wolf all that time, is just stupid.
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Sea_of_inK posted:
Aerlinthian posted:
People need to look past the establishment for candidates.
and vote for your republican candidate who's been in office for more than 20 years, right?
And yet when someone runs for office with less than that, you call him a noob. (Obama). What the hell do you freaking idiots want?
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If you can get past his nauseating social positions he has a repackaged economic pitch.
He is a big-spending republican of the worst kind. I'm sure he's pretending he isn't but he has a decades-long record of it.
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B_Shinkicker posted:
Sea_of_inK posted:
Aerlinthian posted:
People need to look past the establishment for candidates.
and vote for your republican candidate who's been in office for more than 20 years, right?
And yet when someone runs for office with less than that, you call him a noob. (Obama). What the hell do you freaking idiots want?
I am pretty sure Sea_of_inK is liberal. He might have called him a noob, but I bet he voted for him
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Moe_Nox posted:
If you can get past his nauseating social positions he has a repackaged economic pitch.
He is a big-spending republican of the worst kind. I'm sure he's pretending he isn't but he has a decades-long record of it.
No argument from me, I am all about voting records. Just passing it to you all that his presented message is finding a surprisingly receptive audience.
This is Michigan. Its not red state bible belt territory. Santorum by all indications will take the primary here and that will give him momentum.
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It's the culmination of the culture war "conservatives" want.
And they are losing. As usual.
Fucking Santorum? Really? lol
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It must be wrong. Idiots are still voting for Obama. Just goes to show some idiots never learn.
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It's the culmination of the culture war "conservatives" want.
Not exactly, it's more of a backlash against decades of cultural Marxism.
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It must be wrong. Idiots are still voting for Obama. Just goes to show some idiots never learn.
Is this what the bible is telling you now?
God told me to tell you to phuck off.
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If some conservitard wins the white house it will have nothing to do with religion. those on the left should be more furious than those on the right about the wasted three years behind us.
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If some conservitard wins the white house it will have nothing to do with religion. those on the left should be more furious than those on the right about the wasted three years behind us.
If Santorum wins it will be a wet dream of religious rationalization for the American "left". It'll buy them another 4 years of mislaid confidence.
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If some conservitard wins the white house it will have nothing to do with religion. those on the left should be more furious than those on the right about the wasted three years behind us.
If Santorum wins it will be a wet dream of religious rationalization for the American "left". It'll buy them another 4 years of mislaid confidence.
And that is exactly how it goes for these major camps. Each one uses a win to rationalize and justify whatever they want to do in retaliation for whatever the last camp did or even didn't do. Once you acknowledge the basic pendulum movement you can more or less divine where we are going with all this.
That is why I am not kidding when I say I am working on a exit path. The writing is on the wall and the likelihood that we are going to stabilize in time grows smaller by the month.
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I can see the White House convos:
Obama: LOL, they are going to nominate that nutcase Santorum!! What a bunch of n00bs!
(Obama kicks back and lights up a cigar)
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Pollster: Uh, actually, they do and readily admit it; they just know who YOU are now and they hate you more than him.
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People need to look past the establishment for candidates.
and vote for your republican candidate who's been in office for more than 20 years, right?
Implying that Paul is part of the establishment when his track record makes clear that he has been a lone wolf all that time, is just stupid.
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This Republican train wreck is turning out even more pitiful than the last one.
Honestly if this is the best the republicans do, then people are voting purely on party and we can dispense of the actual candidate.
Just vote dem or rep and they can figure out who the leader is later because no way in hell should Santorum be the nominee. At least Romney is understandable.
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Honestly if this is the best the republicans do, then people are voting purely on party and we can dispense of the actual candidate.
Really? Way to go out on a limb there.
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I love how this whole discussion has taken place without actually, you know, referencing a poll.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_santorum_vs_obama-2912.html
ZOMG - A KNOWN CONSERVATIVE POLLSTER HAS SANTORUM WITHIN 3 POINTS! PANIC!
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BLACK PEOPLE!
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The natives are restless. If the GOP had a single candidate that could inspire people, they'd win in a landslide.
But in the meantime, it is fun watching them attempt to rally around and rationalize whichever candidate is ahead in some random poll.
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The natives are restless. If the GOP had a single candidate that could inspire people, they'd win in a landslide.
But in the meantime, it is fun watching them attempt to rally around and rationalize whichever candidate is ahead in some random poll.
I know, it's one of the weirdest things I've seen. That lack of viable candidates must have Obama laughing himself to sleep every night.
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BLACK PEOPLE!
You are saying im wrong?
The left always uses the bible belt people will vote repub no matter what and last election proved that the vast majority of black people out there will vote for a black man no matter what.
Prove this wrong.
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88% of black voters voted for Kerry in 2004. 95% voted for Obama in 2008.
88:95 is very similar to ratio of votes Kerry got to the ratio of votes Obama got: 48: 53. In short, about the same number of blacks voted for Obama but not Kerry as the electorate as a whole.
tl:dr: Grymlo is stupid and probably racist.
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88% of black voters voted for Kerry in 2004. 95% voted for Obama in 2008.
88:95 is very similar to ratio of votes Kerry got to the ratio of votes Obama got: 48: 53. In short, about the same number of blacks voted for Obama but not Kerry as the electorate as a whole.
tl:dr: Grymlo is stupid and probably racist.
Also there are plenty of counterexamples to prove that black people will not vote for a black person every time.
Stupid and racist.
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Just found this gem from Santorum on Drudge:
"Satan has his sights on the United States of America!"
"Satan is attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that has so deeply rooted in the American tradition."
"This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country - the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age?"
"He attacks all of us and he attacks all of our institutions."
"We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."
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last election proved that the vast majority of black people out there will vote for a black man no matter what.
Prove this wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
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last election proved that the vast majority of black people out there will vote for a black man no matter what.
Prove this wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
All this proves is 1st they will vote for him because hes black. 2nd they will vote for him because hes a democrat and will give them stuff.
Black + democrat > Black + Republican
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Black + democrat > Black + Republican
Ever take algebra?
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If Obama was white, with the same story, same campaign, I imagine he would have gotten 56-58% of the vote nationally and Democrats would have gotten even bigger majorities in both houses. The whole people voted for him because he's black thing is the outing of racists and fools.
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People who usually vote for Democrats will often vote for the Democrat.
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You mean the same racists using the "if he was white he would have done even better!" song and dance?
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Lee Atwater, in 1981...
''You start out in 1954 by saying, 'N*****, n*****, n*****.' By 1968 you can't say 'n*****' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
''And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me -- because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'N*****, n*****.
Nixon strategist, Kevin Phillips...
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[6]
And, right wingers wonder why black folks vote Democratic. 'Tis a mystery to them.
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So if you say forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff.. cutting taxes, and all these things thats akin to saying the n word?
Really?
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And Dems are fine with proving Atwater wrong and calling our black President anything they want
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So if you say forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff.. cutting taxes, and all these things thats akin to saying the n word?
Really?
Hey, I'm just quoting a big Republican strategist. If you disagree, take it up with his estate.
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Groucho types his outrage against repub racial snips said last millennium, but goes deaf mute on Dem racial snips said last week.
Well done. Go directly to Scarne's thread about sheeple. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.
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And, right wingers wonder why black folks vote Democratic. 'Tis a mystery to them.
I wonder why blacks vote for EITHER party.
Dis'd and demonized by one. Patronized and strung along by the other.
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Working class whites began to leave the Democratic party - against their own economic interests - at just the same time the Democratic party started becoming the friendlier party towards minorities.
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There was a big editorial in the WSJ today about Republicans using social issues to win Presidential elections and how important social issues are to them as a national party.
It is interesting to see the gay issue work out because traditional Democratic groups are likely to hold onto the gay issue the longest.
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There was a big editorial in the WSJ today about Republicans using social issues to win Presidential elections and how important social issues are to them as a national party.
Of course it is.
They're no longer fiscally conservative / responsible / sane. It's not a differentiator with the Dems, who are just as spendthrift.
All they have left, aside from Tea Party deviants, is the social crazy differentiator.
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There was a big editorial in the WSJ today about Republicans using social issues to win Presidential elections and how important social issues are to them as a national party.
Of course it is.
They're no longer fiscally conservative / responsible / sane. It's not a differentiator with the Dems, who are just as spendthrift.
All they have left, aside from Tea Party deviants, is the social crazy differentiator.
Actually the point is that they couldn't sell their economic position without it. That in Presidential election fiscal conservatism doesn't work but social conservatism does.
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Groucho48 posted:
And, right wingers wonder why black folks vote Democratic. 'Tis a mystery to them.
I wonder why blacks vote for EITHER party.
Dis'd and demonized by one. Patronized and strung along by the other.
There seems to be two possible conclusions:
1) there is a sharp difference in the two parties, for evidence see the dramatic voting differences for black voters
2) there is no difference in the two parties, black people not smart enough to figure that out...but random right winger on the interweb sees it!
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Actually the point is that they couldn't sell their economic position without it. That in Presidential election fiscal conservatism doesn't work but social conservatism does.
No. The point is exactly what I said. Politics these days is sound bytes and marketing. Differentiation strategy.
There's no real difference up under D's and R's any more where one can claim to be 'fiscally conservative and responsible', any more. It has ceased to be a point of differentiation.
They must instead run to the morality crazy.
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I wonder why blacks vote for EITHER party.
Dis'd and demonized by one. Patronized and strung along by the other.
It's pretty straight-forward.
African Americans are much happier with being patronized than with being demonized and dis'd. WOW, what an AWESOME choice, America has given them. 
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Now you're responding to your own posts? 
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Now you're responding to your own posts?
It's a WAY more intelligent conversation than responding to Red lol.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Now you're responding to your own posts?
Who are you talking to, chief?
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Groucho48 posted:
Tych2 posted:
So if you say forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff.. cutting taxes, and all these things thats akin to saying the n word?
Really?
Hey, I'm just quoting a big Republican strategist. If you disagree, take it up with his estate.
Why would I take it up with his estate? I could just laugh at him and discount him here on the Outpost. 
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Vydor posted:
The natives are restless. If the GOP had a single candidate that could inspire people, they'd win in a landslide.
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