The-Sofa-King posted:

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Am I the only one that skipped through parts of the video wondering wtf was going on? There's some lion dude, and he's using abilities, and he dies, then he "fights to survive" and uses some more abilities.

What the hell is this video showcasing, and why should I be impressed?

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Ibbeh posted:

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Is Guild Wars the one that you didn't need a subscription to play, only had to buy the game?

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Gildash posted:

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OP nailed it.

That reminded me 1000000% of the old days in DAOC.

Neat, might have to actually look into gw2.

Did they do away with the pure instanced world and make it a legit open environment ala daoc?

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Jyiiga posted:

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Gildash posted:

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OP nailed it.

That reminded me 1000000% of the old days in DAOC.

Neat, might have to actually look into gw2.

Did they do away with the pure instanced world and make it a legit open environment ala daoc?

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It appears to be that way. The only oddity I have seen so far is the queue system if a world becomes overpopulated. Instead of waiting in a line to get onto your server, they offer an alternative. They allow you to play your char on a temporary shard with other players (that are also in queue). Then when space becomes available you keep all progress and they shift you onto the primary shard.

Better than sitting in line for an hour and a much better system for the early days of a new MMO.

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Kordirn posted:

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Probably instanced. I assumed it was a way for them to keep down server costs since there isn't a monthly sub.

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something im reading posted:

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We use a lot less instancing than we have in the past. The game is structured much more like other MMOs, with the world consisting almost entirely of fully persistent areas. That being said, we have a number of different ways in which we use instancing. Dungeons, for example, are instanced areas designed for group play.

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Jyiiga posted:

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The-Sofa-King posted:

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Am I the only one that skipped through parts of the video wondering wtf was going on? There's some lion dude, and he's using abilities, and he dies, then he "fights to survive" and uses some more abilities.

What the hell is this video showcasing, and why should I be impressed?

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It is showing functional, non-laggy, large scale, three faction pvp... on a scale that has not been seen since DAOC.

Granted with extremely low lvl chars.

If you are not into PVP on the epic scale or you didn't play DAOC (and enjoy it for these things).. Then this thread isn't really for you.

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Gaevren posted:

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What do you mean by large-scale? When I went to the official guild wars 2 site, it looks like all the pvp will still be limited to 10v10 matches, and that's what they'll be...matches. Do this and you win. Do that to win. Etc. Nothing like the fluid, real-time, realm vs. realm that could be had in DAOC.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/pvp/pvp-overview/

Maybe I missed it but...it sounds nothing like pvp/rvr from DAOC.

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Allmightybob_MLF posted:

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Gaevren posted:

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What do you mean by large-scale? When I went to the official guild wars 2 site, it looks like all the pvp will still be limited to 10v10 matches, and that's what they'll be...matches. Do this and you win. Do that to win. Etc. Nothing like the fluid, real-time, realm vs. realm that could be had in DAOC.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/pvp/pvp-overview/

Maybe I missed it but...it sounds nothing like pvp/rvr from DAOC.

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It's right on the front page of the website.

http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world

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Anebriated posted:

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i spoke too soon. i actually watched some of it and it appears to be a slow-paced warhammer from the perspective of what i think is supposed to be a tank but he ends up shooting his bow most of the time. a keep situation doesn't make it daoc.

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Talehon69 posted:

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That video does show open world PvP similar to DAoC's Frontiers. It's just not as massive as DAoC's would be because it's a press event. There aren't that many people around because there just aren't that many people playing right now.

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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

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Meh, since it will also come with a console version you have to wonder how dumbed down it will be.

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Gildash posted:

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Talehon69 posted:

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That video does show open world PvP similar to DAoC's Frontiers. It's just not as massive as DAoC's would be because it's a press event. There aren't that many people around because there just aren't that many people playing right now.

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I feel like thats a pvp zone though, as in not just part of the world.

That was the awesome part of daoc, you could be doing your normal grind and see a war party run by.

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Allmightybob_MLF posted:

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Gaevren posted:

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What do you mean by large-scale? When I went to the official guild wars 2 site, it looks like all the pvp will still be limited to 10v10 matches, and that's what they'll be...matches. Do this and you win. Do that to win. Etc. Nothing like the fluid, real-time, realm vs. realm that could be had in DAOC.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/pvp/pvp-overview/

Maybe I missed it but...it sounds nothing like pvp/rvr from DAOC.

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It's right on the front page of the website.

http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world

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Talehon69 posted:

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Gildash posted:

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Talehon69 posted:

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That video does show open world PvP similar to DAoC's Frontiers. It's just not as massive as DAoC's would be because it's a press event. There aren't that many people around because there just aren't that many people playing right now.

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I feel like thats a pvp zone though, as in not just part of the world.

That was the awesome part of daoc, you could be doing your normal grind and see a war party run by.

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Both Frontiers and Darkness Falls were PvP zones, and the only places outside of Battlegrounds that you would see enemy players, so I don't know what you're talking about.

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Anebriated posted:

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the good part about daoc for me wasn't that you could pvp in an exp zone.


it was purely the pvp.


form a group of eight with your 7 best buddies and dominate or fight some competitive and exciting 8v8.

keeps and terrain definitely spiced up battles larger than 8v8 but to me zerg surfing was a relatively simple. it wasn't that hard to perfectly gauge distance and use line of sight and speed to blast a noob to smithereens. it was alright, sometimes you found yourself totally outnumbered trying to defend a keep and pulling anything off was epic. mostly it was rp farming though.

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Kah_v2 posted:

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The only thing I saw in that video was lag. And lots of it.

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Gaevren posted:

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Anebriated posted:

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the good part about daoc for me wasn't that you could pvp in an exp zone.


it was purely the pvp.


form a group of eight with your 7 best buddies and dominate or fight some competitive and exciting 8v8.

keeps and terrain definitely spiced up battles larger than 8v8 but to me zerg surfing was a relatively simple. it wasn't that hard to perfectly gauge distance and use line of sight and speed to blast a noob to smithereens. it was alright, sometimes you found yourself totally outnumbered trying to defend a keep and pulling anything off was epic. mostly it was rp farming though.

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Oh man good times. I ran with a gank guild for a while and with a really good 8 man group you could tear some stuff up. I also enjoyed when the entire realm would rally to go defend the keeps and there would be the massive keep wars, usually between 2 realms but sometimes involving all 3. And then as a solo nightshade/ranger if you timed it right you could pick off one person of an 8 man group, kill him and be gone before the rest of them realized wtf just happened! Of course that was before vent and teamspeak were super common, so the reaction time wasn't always the best, but even now with just a couple seconds you could do some damage.

I think the best nights though were stealther's night out. Someone would coordinate via forums/private messages/etc. with stealthers in the other realms, who would gather every stealther person they could and we'd all meet at a pre-arranged spot to hold duels with each other. You could bring your buffbots for buffs/rezzes. If anyone broke the rules though, the other two factions would slaughter that person. It was also risky because you never knew when a group of people would run by and spoil all the fun.

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Lothland posted:

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Best MMO memories are of DAOC, I doubt I'll ever have anything near the same as it is not just the game it was also the people. Running with the gank guilds and taking on a stupid amount of people and winning were always a blast.

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Anebriated posted:

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Lothland posted:

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Best MMO memories are of DAOC, I doubt I'll ever have anything near the same as it is not just the game it was also the people. Running with the gank guilds and taking on a stupid amount of people and winning were always a blast.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2VrUFJXhqc
what about a stupid about of thanes?!?!?! i can't resist posting my fraps lol

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Anebriated posted:

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i only played warhammer in the beginning and only got to level 30 something. it had a lot of things going for it. I liked that you could gain a lot of experience in PVP even though it was mostly through instances and susceptible to imbalances. when i played, though, once you were in the 30's you seemed obligated to go back into PVE because the pvp instances in those levels wasn't efficient exp any longer.

at that point it was a pve grind, and after playing DAOC for years i couldn't stomach it. i never wanted the additional obligatory PVE content that came with TOA in daoc. it was obligatory because once you introduce better items you have to have those items to compete. competitive group vs group pvp is dynamic, challenging and exciting. it depends on teamwork, communication, and personal ability as much as any team sport. you can't go back to pve and enjoy killing npc's once you really excel in pvp- not me anyways.


TLDR: i'm only gonna play an MMO that is most like a team sport, not a zerg v zerg standoff, and not a PVE grind.

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