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Aside from the "stealing" moral dilemma, do companies really lose anything when someone pirates a copy of their program/music/movie/whatever?
Some people like to try it before they buy it. So those people if they like your product will end up buying it and youll get your money.
On the other hand those people who wont buy it either way, they wouldnt have bought the product in the first place so no matter what happens that money wouldnt have been spent/given to the copyright holder.
Just seems to be the copyright holders are trying to get something for nothing too in a round about way.
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Let's just get this over with.
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deeeeerrrrrrrp! it's not theft because nothing is taken!
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It is theft and I fully partake in it and generally it is to the benefit of the company/rights holder.
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Lets just say w/o torrenting a vast amount of files... I also would not have purchased as many things as I have.
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I love listening to music.
I have a ton of mp3s. all made from my brothers and friends cds.
I have only ever bought a single CD and that was because I forgot my mp3 cds at home on a 13 hour flight.
I have a subscription to pandora though.
and I listen to youtube videos.
even without the mp3s I would never buy a music cd. hell I don't even have them accessible right now they are on an old harddrive from my previous computer, still has not made me buy a cd (nor an mp3 for that matter.)
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arekthorn posted:
Lets just say w/o torrenting a vast amount of files... I also would not have purchased as many things as I have.
I agree with this but in general I say they need to rethink their business model. A viable streaming system, including purchasing downloads for off line use, would go a long way to solving their problems. Most people I know, including myself, would buy tons of stuff if it was out there and easily available. I would do that over 'other means' even if they were available and free.
GoG and Steam are great examples. I know I can get most of that stuff other ways, heck a lot of it I already bought once, but I still get it from there. Easy, accessible and a good selection.
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Ah-Schoo posted:
Let's just get this over with. retard posted:
deeeeerrrrrrrp! it's not theft because nothing is taken!
err It is stealing, I said that in the OP....Im not making an argument against that. Im making the argument that it doesn't cost copyright holders anything when something is "digitally" stolen because the person stealing it wouldnt have paid for the product whether they had stolen it or not. In fact like I said in the OP some people would be more likely to buy their product or other products from them if they try a program from a company for free.
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NonOffensiveName posted:
Aside from the "stealing" moral dilemma, do companies really lose anything when someone pirates a copy of their program/music/movie/whatever?
Some people like to try it before they buy it. So those people if they like your product will end up buying it and youll get your money.
On the other hand those people who wont buy it either way, they wouldnt have bought the product in the first place so no matter what happens that money wouldnt have been spent/given to the copyright holder.
Just seems to be the copyright holders are trying to get something for nothing too in a round about way.
They lose pretend profits that they promised sharholders....
EA set a new record this year and made more then they thought they would so ya pirateing is not hurting them one damn bit... But it is a great excuse to gouge thier consumers.
The EA pass they use on the need for speed games is nothing more then a money grab. They are one of the worst offenders of screwing customers over. Yes the quality of the games they sell is great but the buisness practices they employ leave much to be desired. Ubisoft is following in thier footsteps which is really to bad.
Virus/spyware free and easy access are my incentives to buy on-line otherwise I don't pay for it.
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I'm just about done buying any form of entertainment. Soon I will just go to the library. Tired of being gouged.
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Piracy is NOT A NEW ISSUE.
It started when you could record songs off the radio, and it's covered all media streams.
Films: It costs a lot to go see films now. Film companies make a lot of crappy films. Those crappy films STILL MAKE MONEY at the box office.
So what is the piracy problem there? Companies aren't making a truckload on DVD sales like they did before? Maybe they should try not paying stupid actors 10,000,000+ a film, eh?
Music: Bands have always made their money touring. ALWAYS. Piracy does not effect touring numbers. Hell, if I was in a band, I would give songs away on my website, and make the money through advertising ON said website, and then tour to earn.
Music companies make their money from record sales. ALWAYS. I, frankly, don't give two pieces of profanity about the music companies. They're the idiots that get talentless twats to use AUTOTUNE and churn out 'paint by numbers' pop songs.
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Yeah they are losing money why you think they spend so much money bitching about what they are losing.
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They aren't 'losing' money, but they aren't making the same money. However, good products sell. They make crap? They deserve to not make oodles of cash. They make a good film? People will want the licensed copies, or to watch it in the theater. I know that watching something on my computer isn't the 'film going experience' that I enjoy.
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Plenty of studies have been done on the core issue of how much does pirating cost the content creators.
The answer has always been SUBSTANTIALLY less than the retail value of every piece of content pirated. aka, not every piece of content downloaded would have been purchased in the absence in piratable goods.
Its all vastly overstated and a lot of qq.
That said, of course it is still "theft". You are taking something instead of paying for it.
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They aren't 'losing' money, but they aren't making the same money. However, good products sell. They make crap? They deserve to not make oodles of cash. They make a good film? People will want the licensed copies, or to watch it in the theater. I know that watching something on my computer isn't the 'film going experience' that I enjoy.
This. I go to the movies to see the good ones
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Piracy is a sign that the price is to high
Piracy = blackmarket
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Piracy is a sign that the price is to high
Piracy = blackmarket
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mightbe posted:
Piracy is a sign that the price is to high Piracy = blackmarket
I dont "buy" that :P there are some people that I know who refuse to buy any commercial product if they can torrent it instead.
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mightbe posted:
Piracy is a sign that the price is to high
Piracy = blackmarket
Thats....stupid.
Sorry.
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If you are looking at it just straight on it's not even a moral thing, it simply is theft. Luckily it is almost never enforced and probably won't be for the near future but it still is theft. Not just a moral theft but go to jail and have everything taken from you theft. While I can see the point as many people would not buy the item, and especially with music have never heard and thus never purchased an album it's still theft.
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TickyAtack posted:
It is theft and I fully partake in it and generally it is to the benefit of the company/rights holder.
it is NOT theft....it is NOT piracy........it is copyright infringement...
the 3 are not synonymous
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I think stealing a Britney Spears song is wrong and displays incredibly poor taste in music.
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zarasaphire posted:
NonOffensiveName posted:
Aside from the "stealing" moral dilemma, do companies really lose anything when someone pirates a copy of their program/music/movie/whatever?
Some people like to try it before they buy it. So those people if they like your product will end up buying it and youll get your money.
On the other hand those people who wont buy it either way, they wouldnt have bought the product in the first place so no matter what happens that money wouldnt have been spent/given to the copyright holder.
Just seems to be the copyright holders are trying to get something for nothing too in a round about way.
They lose pretend profits that they promised sharholders....
EA set a new record this year and made more then they thought they would so ya pirateing is not hurting them one damn bit... But it is a great excuse to gouge thier consumers.
The EA pass they use on the need for speed games is nothing more then a money grab. They are one of the worst offenders of screwing customers over. Yes the quality of the games they sell is great but the buisness practices they employ leave much to be desired. Ubisoft is following in thier footsteps which is really to bad.
Virus/spyware free and easy access are my incentives to buy on-line otherwise I don't pay for it.
not so much EA goal is to buy the competition out when they have a great game, then let the game stagnate.
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Gildash posted:
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Piracy is a sign that the price is to high
Piracy = blackmarket
Thats....stupid.
Sorry.
Yep.
Wasn't it like 10% of people still pirated the humble bundle... even though you could get it for 1 cent.
People pirate because they are selfish pricks. nothing more.
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I'm a selfish prick. Perhaps pirating is for me?
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I'm a selfish prick. Perhaps pirating is for me?
Absolutely. You "ain't give no f k's to anybodies."
Why give anyone the justification that their product was legally acquired, even if it only costed 1 cent minimum?
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I'm the most selfish prick out there and I don't pirate because there its nothing worth pirating anymore.
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in my opinion, the only reason companies say piracy hurts them, is we are getting one step closer to not needing them.
Who needs a movie studio if an indie movie can get out to the masses?
Who needs a record label if you can upload to the internet and make money without a third party?
By all means, we're not there yet. But we will be.
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NSMachin posted:
It started when you could record songs off the radio, and it's covered all media streams.
This was technically illegal, as well. It was never enforced because it was pretty reasonable to conclude that the production quality of the recording you could make would be nowhere near as good as what you could purchase.
Digital media made that copy exact instead of less-than-perfect, so the above justification for non-enforcement has gone away.
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