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This one ought to interest Mo lol!
http://news.yahoo.com/hot-teacher-essay-lands-student-trouble-221254769--abc-news.html
An 56 year old adult student at Michigan's Oakland University has been booted off campus and branded with sexual harassment and intimidation charges for some freeform writing in a journal he kept as part of a class assignment.
The class was apparently some sort of creative writing class. As is common, students were required to keep journals of freeform thoughts which might serve as the basis for future writing.
The man asked repeatedly if there was any sort of restrictions on what sort of journal entries could be in the book and was assured that there was no censorship and no restrictions multiple times.
At one point his teacher collected the journal, presumably to make sure students were taking it seriously and making entries and so forth. I have had profs that used this technique myself in college. Anyway, the guy wrote a "Hot For Teacher" (Van Halen 1984) inspired entry, describing his teacher as "tall, blonde, stacked, smart, articulate" in his essay according to the article.
At that point the college started proceedings against him and he's been booted out of the school, banned for 3 semesters, only allowed to return if he gets psychological treatment and clearance, the whole 9 yards...
It seems that there are few things as fragile and overstated as the egos of academics - ESPECIALLY academics in the Liberal Arts disciplines. This is a big laugher imo. Read the article for more about it! 
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During a History of Art Therapy class taught by the director, Maxine Jung, I noticed my notes contained some ludicrous statements, This woman believed she crapped knowledge. We had an assignment. My response was to demonstrate a paradoxical intervention visually. At this time I was only composing mandalas, like Carl Jung did, and working with the symbolism. I created a quality aesthetic, stunning piece, called Clinical Dart Therapy. It was a dart board of sorts, filled with quotes from the director, Maxine Jung. The really absurd ones. I held up a mirror. She was furious. I was kicked out of the program.
Never do this, even if you are right on the money. The result will be you will be removed from the culture, no matter how open-minded the people are supposed to be. I would not do this again. Do I regret it-no.
What we do in life ends up being very unimportant in a long historical sense. But to us individually, it is extremely important. This is why I recommend people follow their innermost dreams and intuitions.
In your instance the man assumed since it was a creative class he could push the boundaries. He assumed those in charge were open minded. He was wrong.
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Cawlin posted:
This one ought to interest Mo lol!
http://news.yahoo.com/hot-teacher-essay-lands-student-trouble-221254769--abc-news.html
An 56 year old adult student at Michigan's Oakland University has been booted off campus and branded with sexual harassment and intimidation charges for some freeform writing in a journal he kept as part of a class assignment.
The class was apparently some sort of creative writing class. As is common, students were required to keep journals of freeform thoughts which might serve as the basis for future writing.
The man asked repeatedly if there was any sort of restrictions on what sort of journal entries could be in the book and was assured that there was no censorship and no restrictions multiple times.
At one point his teacher collected the journal, presumably to make sure students were taking it seriously and making entries and so forth. I have had profs that used this technique myself in college. Anyway, the guy wrote a "Hot For Teacher" (Van Halen 1984) inspired entry, describing his teacher as "tall, blonde, stacked, smart, articulate" in his essay according to the article.
At that point the college started proceedings against him and he's been booted out of the school, banned for 3 semesters, only allowed to return if he gets psychological treatment and clearance, the whole 9 yards...
It seems that there are few things as fragile and overstated as the egos of academics - ESPECIALLY academics in the Liberal Arts disciplines. This is a big laugher imo. Read the article for more about it!
Holy Christ, talk about overkill. I would guess about now the other students are rapidly deleting and/or completely rewriting their jounals, focusing on how much they love butterflies and rainbows.
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At that point the college started proceedings against him and he's been booted out of the school, banned for 3 semesters, only allowed to return if he gets psychological treatment and clearance, the whole 9 yards...
Psychological treatment for what disorder?
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The article seems to only contains facts from the student's point of view. It could be that he was making inappropriate comments all along during class, but the teacher had been letting it slide up until she saw the journal entry and she felt it crossed the line into stalker territory. It most likely wasn't just the journal that got him in trouble. 
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Tych2 posted:
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At that point the college started proceedings against him and he's been booted out of the school, banned for 3 semesters, only allowed to return if he gets psychological treatment and clearance, the whole 9 yards...
Psychological treatment for what disorder?
Heterosexuality. I'm telling you guys, the god damn homogays are running the schools nowadays.
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Liberal arts programs are becoming finishing schools for chicks.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Tych2 posted:
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At that point the college started proceedings against him and he's been booted out of the school, banned for 3 semesters, only allowed to return if he gets psychological treatment and clearance, the whole 9 yards...
Psychological treatment for what disorder?
Heterosexuality. I'm telling you guys, the god damn homogays are running the schools nowadays.
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In January, after a campus hearing, the university found Corlett guilty of intimidation. Another charge, for sexual harassment, was dropped. Corlett was suspended for three semesters, banned from stepping foot on campus and required to seek out psychological counseling before he could be eligible to reenroll, according to documentation provided to ABC News by Corlett.
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This thread is useless without pictures....
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There are 6 women in my class. This is a little dialogue from a short play I am writing.
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I won these seats, mine and the one seat you are in. You may sit there if you like.
The Ponderous sage hands him a ticket. Rhizome examines the ticket and keeps it.
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Where did you win this?
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The Omni-Loving Compassionate Cannabis Club. They had a drawing.
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Whoa. You like Sloppy Pussy?
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I have never seen Sloppy Pussy.
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The band, man, Sloppy Pussy. It’s is a way of being, Dasein. These women are from the Simulacra. They have an inner and outer Reality, an Epic-currean complexity! This is hedonistic pounding drone music. These are shadows of the sluts getting laid on the walls of Plato’s cave -Reality Thrash Metal!
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I hope there is more to the story than what is reported on, but from the evidence it seems like he should just take business classes.
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If you take only business classes and you are a creative spirit, it is a soul-killer.
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If...IF it is as he says and was merely a writing assignment then he should be beating back the lawyers who want to make millions off of the University. I know I would be in my lawyers office IF the circumstances were for the most part as described.
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If you take only business classes and you are a creative spirit, it is a soul-killer.
Is that my soul being crushed every time I do an assignment for my labor relations class?
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You can adapt your business knowledge and make it creative. If you can pull this off, you are a classic mage. Business doesnt have to be lifeless and soul draining. It can be exciting, fulfilling and passionate. You must find it though. It is not going to jump out of a general ledger and seduce you.
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Schools need to be properly placarded these days.
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Scarne posted:
The article seems to only contains facts from the student's point of view. It could be that he was making inappropriate comments all along during class, but the teacher had been letting it slide up until she saw the journal entry and she felt it crossed the line into stalker territory. It most likely wasn't just the journal that got him in trouble.
This is the one thing I noticed about the article as well.
As a writer, I normally hate the thought of any form of censorship frankly so I'm automatically predisposed to come down on the side of a another writer.
That said, I also think of those crazy students / people that hurt other people and, in retrospect, we hear that they have drawn things or written things that teachers wish they "had spoken up about" afterwards.
I would love to see his writing because the use of the word "intimidate" here is a strong word and suggests far more than "sexual undertones" I will say. Hard to know without all of the context however.
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In January, after a campus hearing, the university found Corlett guilty of intimidation. Another charge, for sexual harassment, was dropped.
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Found a lot more details.
She wrote to the college and said she was afraid of him because was a gun advocate who wanted to be able to conceal carry on campus.
Personally, I doubt that is true in the slightest, but it is the angle she used when she wrote to the college to ask to have him removed.
http://www.blippitt.com/professor-pamela-mitzelfeld-outraged-over-students-hot-for-teacher-essay-full-essay/
"Due to our recent discovery that Joseph Corlett has made his gun obsession obvious to other colleagues and has managed to make himself known in negative ways to so many other females on campus, I am feeling increasingly uncomfortable and unsafe. As he has written letters to our school newspaper defending the right to carry concealed weapons on campus, I cannot feel safe knowing that he might have a weapon with him at any time. He might have had a gun in his backpack when he sat 20 feet away from me at the writing center last week. [...]
Please grant this request and advocate for me as necessary. Either Mr Corlett leaves campus or I do. I will not be afraid to go to the ladies restroom, as I was today, because someone informed me that he was in the library.
This is an unacceptable and dangerous work environment."
His link also has a lot more excerpts from his journal.
He definitely needs to hire a lawyer and sue the school.
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That said, I also think of those crazy students / people that hurt other people and, in retrospect, we hear that they have drawn things or written things that teachers wish they "had spoken up about" afterwards.
Teachers who say that are copouts. They only wish they'd spoken up when a single individual does something bad later in life. They ignore the other 99 kids who wrote or drew similar things that turned out just fine.
Kids draw and write things all the time that can might be questionable. It is called being young and creative and they don't know any better.
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The guy is probably a creepy old man and that is causing them to overreact.
She also sounds crazy though. Afraid to go to the restroom because the guy was in the library?
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Sansfear posted:
Jorrdan posted:
That said, I also think of those crazy students / people that hurt other people and, in retrospect, we hear that they have drawn things or written things that teachers wish they "had spoken up about" afterwards.
Teachers who say that are copouts. They only wish they'd spoken up when a single individual does something bad later in life. They ignore the other 99 kids who wrote or drew similar things that turned out just fine.
Kids draw and write things all the time that can might be questionable. It is called being young and creative and they don't know any better.
A college student is not really a kid. At least to the extent that I don't buy the they "don't know any better" excuse.
Though, if it is true that what she is/was afraid of was his gun advocacy, then I'm siding with him (the writer) on this one.
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Either Mr Corlett leaves campus or I do. I will not be afraid to go to the ladies restroom, as I was today, because someone informed me that he was in the library.
OH NOES I CAN"T GO PEE BECAUSE SOMEONE THAT LIKES GUNS IS GETTING THEIR READING ON IN DA LIBRARY...
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I agree with what Modeeb said tho.
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She is trying this in a court of public opinion. Who knows what the truth is? In my experience, the people who are seeking to have you removed make their case as best they can. This includes misrepresenting the truth. For example, I was told I was processing with patients. This is psycho-babble for relating to the patients. In my opinion, it is something a good therapist does. The lesson is dont give them a reason to kick you out. Be paranoid about the intentions of others. Kafka knew how to deal with it.
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Yeah, the dude sounds all-around creepy, but creepy isn't a bannable offense at a college. If he were a creepy 20-something, she probably wouldn't' have even mentioned it, but since it's an older man she's obviously intimidated.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
The guy is probably a creepy old man and that is causing them to overreact.
She also sounds crazy though. Afraid to go to the restroom because the guy was in the library?
I think this sounds reasonably plausible and is likely close to the truth.
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I remember in my freshmen English class, we had journal entries that we were free to write anything we wanted on the topic. One of the entries was a response to "What do you hope to gain from this class?" I answered honestly that it was a freshman English class and I didn't expect to learn anything. The teacher held me after class and made me reread it, and i was actually horrified at how douchy i had been. I don't know if it was just stream of conscious, or I didn't expect anyone to read it or what. But she said, "You're one if those kids who comes into my class thinking he knows everything and will end up failing."
The class was based on a portfolio grade that a panel looked at, so the teacher had little influence. I got an A, easily. I might have been douchy, but I was right. Didn't learn a God damn thing.
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