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http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/16/smallbusiness/manufacturing_jobs/index.htm?iid=Lead&hpt=hp_c1
Interesting, some manufacturing jobs are coming back to the US, but because of the decreased emphasis in training young people in those sort of trade skills over the last few decades, they're having trouble finding the workers they need for it. Now they may be forced to hire people "off the street" and then spend years training them.
Is it any wonder that as a whole manufacturing skills in the US became less and less emphasized/important, and now suddenly they can't find enough people with the background necessary to do these jobs?
I remember back when I was in high school in the mid-late 90's, I took some shop/engineering classes. I asked the teacher why we didn't have any classes to learn about the in's and outs of a car. He lamented that the school board said those types of classes aren't worth teaching anymore, and instead they wanted students to be trained in computer stuff (aka clerical stuff). I mentioned that people still drive cars and they still break down, so it would help if students at least got a basic understanding of what to look for when a car makes funny sounds, but he just chuckled at it and said he was doing what the parents wanted the teachers to teach.
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Our society has spent the last several decades devaluing skilled labor. This is one of the results.
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It's a good thing that business if finally get it.
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Rhint posted:
Our society has spent the last several decades devaluing skilled labor. This is one of the results.
Although some who don't pay close attention will find this shocking... I completely agree with this.
Vo-Tech has been poo-poo'd in favor of liberal arts, workers have been made to feel completely expendable & modular, blue collar has been portrayed as 'suckers who cannot do better', etc. Nobody is inspired to really learn and excel at their craft or profession when treated like that.
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Trade policy has been designed to shift manufacturing jobs overseas in the recent past. People respond to this designed policy by avoiding manufacturing careers.
Im not sure why its surprising that a business might need to train employees. Businesses always have two options: 1) pay more for trained employees or 2) pay less and train them yourself.
The article seems to expect manufacturing to operate differently than the rest of the economy.
If you train them yourself, you get trained workers. If you pay them more, you create incentive for people to become interested in that line of work. One of the businesses in the article described this as the 'new normal'....but this is the way its always been. Pay workers a premium or train them, there is no other normal in any industry.
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theredkay1 posted:
Im not sure why its surprising that a business might need to train employees.
This.
Whatever business was 'surprised' should fire their analysts - stat.
Did they thing skilled manufacturing labor grew on trees or something?
It depresses me that investments in their greatest assets is seen as a bummer by businesses nowadays. Victims of their own success I suppose.
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Rhint posted:
Our society has spent the last several decades devaluing skilled labor. This is one of the results.
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The article posted:
There is a "critical shortage of machinists," a common and crucial position in factories, said Rob Akers, vice president at the National Tooling and Machining Association. "Enrollment in this field in technical schools has been down for a long time.
Wow, an advocacy group that thinks their cause is in crisis? That's first page news right there!
I understand that machinists take time to train, but the idea that "skilled labor" is in danger in this country is kinda silly. It doesn't take 4 years to make a skilled laborer.
For what it's worth, my brother is in industrial engineering and has been working 12-hour days for over a month now. I think the article is correct that there's a shortage of qualified people, but it's kind of shocking that businesses are just sitting around lamenting this instead of, you know, actually training people. If they started with that approach 2 - 3 months ago they'd probably already have qualified people on the floor, at least for the entry level stuff.
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i think ive been saying this type of stuff here for quite some time, now.
bout time you dimwits have been told that its a correct position and are now regurgitating others words.
oh, and they will just hire illegals
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Actually it does take quite a bit of time to train a machinist, the apprenticeship program really works in that field but it doesn't happen over night. I've been advocating vocational schools for some time, many people aren't going to college but that doesn't mean they can't be trained as skilled workers.
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forgot the rest of that headline:
Factory job (creators) looking for skilled workers that have 30 years experience and an expert with every program that company uses and expect the pay of of a 22 yr old kid.
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Akza posted:
forgot the rest of that headline:
Factory job (creators) looking for skilled workers that have 30 years experience and an expert with every program that company uses and expect the pay of of a 22 yr old kid.
illegals
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we have a shortage of skilled labour here to. A friend of mine works for an engineering company and had to go to Asia to find welders. they have incredible skills but it takes a long time for them to get used to all the the additional safety regulations that are required here.
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2 companies in Atlanta can't find workers at $30/hr. Small companies.
But if they took their 40 jobs to a small town, people would be beating down the door to make even half that wage.
And the local vo-tech would provide the training free.
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Bonzoboy1 posted:
Actually it does take quite a bit of time to train a machinist, the apprenticeship program really works in that field but it doesn't happen over night. I've been advocating vocational schools for some time, many people aren't going to college but that doesn't mean they can't be trained as skilled workers.
Still, it's not like this shortage happened overnight, either. If they'd offered to train their new hires immediately instead of bemoaning the state of American industry they'd probably have some shop-ready people by now...probably not full-blown machinists, but some people who could at least operate the gear without losing a hand.
There are still some strong vocational training centers out there for both adults and high school students, but as others have mentioned there has been a lot less focus on manufacturing within those centers. Call it a bias against working types or whatever, but the bottom line is that it hasn't really been perceived as a secure line of work for many years now.
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smellymotor posted:
we have a shortage of skilled labour here to. A friend of mine works for an engineering company and had to go to Asia to find welders. they have incredible skills but it takes a long time for them to get used to all the the additional safety regulations that are required here.
I can train a welder in a surprisingly short amount of time, of course there will always be some skills that only time can master.
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Akza posted:
forgot the rest of that headline:
Factory job (creators) looking for skilled workers that have 30 years experience and an expert with every program that company uses and expect the pay of of a 22 yr old kid.
There is more truth to this than most people want to admit.
Clearly the 13 year old Malaysian kid making $0.42 a day has been in a machinist apprentice program since he was 9 and is all set to go... or is it that he's worth training because you can pay him so little?
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ZigmundZag posted:
Call it a bias against working types or whatever, but the bottom line is that it hasn't really been perceived as a secure line of work for many years now.
sweeny_comodore posted:
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Any shift in demand for specific types of labor leads to this kind of thing. In addition people are being educated out of the field and not just in liberal arts stuff but computer type stuff. Nursing has been facing this issue for a long time so it isn't even all that unique to manufacturing.
I would also think that there are a lot of older people spread out across the nation that have the skills.
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I didn't read the article, but over half the time companies say things like this they want to pay skilled laborers 9 bucks an hour.
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Bonzoboy1 posted:
...of course there will always be some skills that only time can master.
Just about every job has this, so they will have to train people anyway. Smart businesses would take entry level positions that require little to no experience, with a 'promote from within' program. They could create their own skilled workers from a pool of lower paid unskilled employees. I've seen it with at least 2 companies that had this, and it's worked wonderfully for both the company and employees looking to make careers.
It also works pretty well for the employer, as usually it is more cost efficient salarywise to promote from within, rather than have to hire from the outside.
The problem is, too many businesses are short sighted and have terrible long term planning, so they don't do this.
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GrilledCheez posted:
I didn't read the article, but over half the time companies say things like this they want to pay skilled laborers 9 bucks an hour.
Makes me think of the stuff about factory work in China from last week. The Apple stooges were lamenting that the US doesn't have a labor pool that lies between an actual engineer and a high school kid who took drafting.
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They can't be too stoogey, they just hit their 500 mark this week.
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GrilledCheez posted:
I didn't read the article, but over half the time companies say things like this they want to pay skilled laborers 9 bucks an hour.
This.
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GrilledCheez posted:
I didn't read the article, but over half the time companies say things like this they want to pay skilled laborers 9 bucks an hour.
I'm pretty sure companies would love to pay ALL employees 9 bucks an hour. It's when it starts to hurt their bottom line they are willing to pay more and it just might be reaching that point for this category of workers.
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I know a lot of machinists that left the field entirely after 9/11 and the great depression part 2. The pay is good but it isn't what it used to be and management is always looking for ways to make us more efficient. That generally means stacking shit, entry level jobs on to our already overly broad job description. Then having to deal with lay-offs that are just a structural part of manufacturing in America, makes the job somewhat unappealing. I've been a machinist for 15 years and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
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