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I wonder if they have a merit badge for that?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/police-officer-shoots-man-with-baby_n_1281450.html
50-year-old is waving gun around with one hand and has his 9-month-old grandkid in the other. Neighbors call police. Man goes back inside house.
Police arrive and finally the man opens the door, he is still holding the baby.
Man reaches down for something that the cops can't see and the cop shoots him and kills him. (Turns out that it was a cell phone). They did find several weapons in the house.
The real key to this story for me, however, is that the cop that shot and killed the man has a long history of shootings. This is the 6th person he has killed in the past 6 years (he shot a 7th person, but they survived).
They have all been 'investigated' and 'justified', but the majority of cops never shoot anyone, let alone shoot and kill six people in different incidents.
Has he become desensitized to shooting people?
Has he developed such a hair trigger that he immediately implements deadly force at the first hint of danger?
Or is he just a statistical anomaly?
It should be noted that this is Scottsdale, which is a very wealth upper-middle-class community. It isn't like he is working inner city Phoenix .
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Isn't Scottsdale the meth capital of the US?
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"50-year-old is waving gun around with one hand and has his 9-month-old grandkid in the other. Neighbors call police." That will make any one on edge when approaching that person.
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BTW this whole "reach down for something that was a cell phone" thing doesn't help me.
Was he aggressive, yelling? Did he reach TOWARD the officer? Did the officer already have him at gunpoint when the door was opened?
There's way too little to go with here.
I believe that cops who are not afraid to face crime, btw, will have a higher percentage of shootings. A lot of them intentionally meter our their time, location to not be right on the front line most of the time, really.
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Does a free man have the right to make motions with his body in the presence of a police officer? Obviously the solution to this entire problem involves US citizens laying face down with their arms outstretched and feet wide apart ANY time they see an officer of the law.
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so if i go out and strut around my front yard with a pellet gun today and a cop shows up next week sometime, its ok for him to shoot me?
is it ok for him to shoot anyone in a state where gun ownership is legal?
do you people still think its ok to shoot/kill a kid with a pellet gun after 10 minutes?
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Cops become desensitized in general.
I think it's possible he might have some form of PTSD and when faced with a similar situation he reacts instinctively out of self preservation. I'd be interested to see what the circumstances of his first shooting were.
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Cops become desensitized in general.
I think it's possible he might have some form of PTSD and when faced with a similar situation he reacts instinctively out of self preservation. I'd be interested to see what the circumstances of his first shooting were.
or hes just a homicidal maniac
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so if i go out and strut around my front yard with a pellet gun today and a cop shows up next week sometime, its ok for him to shoot me?
is it ok for him to shoot anyone in a state where gun ownership is legal?
do you people still think its ok to shoot/kill a kid with a pellet gun after 10 minutes?
Well, if you're waving it around in a threatening manner at people, it doesn't matter if its real or fake. If the thug did turn out to have a real gun, and they end up shooting the cop because the cop hesitated to verify if it was real or not, what would you say then?
Regarding the article, maybe they should stop sending that cop out in these sorts of confrontations and maybe assign him a desk job for a few years.
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Urk_VN posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
so if i go out and strut around my front yard with a pellet gun today and a cop shows up next week sometime, its ok for him to shoot me?
is it ok for him to shoot anyone in a state where gun ownership is legal?
do you people still think its ok to shoot/kill a kid with a pellet gun after 10 minutes?
Well, if you're waving it around in a threatening manner at people, it doesn't matter if its real or fake. If the thug did turn out to have a real gun, and they end up shooting the cop because the cop hesitated to verify if it was real or not, what would you say then?
Regarding the article, maybe they should stop sending that cop out in these sorts of confrontations and maybe assign him a desk job for a few years.
they had 10 minutes to get a tazer or some bean bags....
im willing to bet the kid would have shit himself had they opened fire on him with beanbags instead of lead.
and this cop needs to be in jail.
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Does a free man that has been threatening people with a gun have the right to make motions with his body in the presence of a police officer?
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No.
Dumb Answer: Yes.
Stupid Answer: (see sweeny's posts)
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Does a free man that has been threatening people with a gun have the right to make motions with his body in the presence of a police officer?
Short answer: No.
Long answer: No.
Dumb Answer: Yes.
Stupid Answer: (see sweeny's posts)
you are wrong.
police are here to protect and serve, not hand out judgement and sentencing. that is what courts and judges are for.
the problem you are having is an assumption of guilt on people whove had a finger pointed at them.
you need to get over your problem before you get shot after i call the cops on you.
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Koneg's problem is he wants to kill people with all his guns but doesn't have the balls to do it so he is content with jacking off to murderers with badges while swinging a common sense argument he thinks is a gem.
Obviously the solution to this entire problem involves US citizens laying face down with their arms outstretched and feet wide apart ANY time they see an officer of the law.
Any thoughts on that one Genius?
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if you reach down for something a cop can't see you can bet he's yelling "show me your hands." or something like it. This guy sounds like he's had some terrible luck.
I have a hard time getting weepy for this guy that was shot BTW. I've lived 36 years and have never even seen anyone waving a gun around. If you choose to do that you are a dangerous moron.
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This isn't about the fourth amendment.
Its about due process and innocent until proven guilty.
Cops are not there to sevrve death sentences on people suspected of doing anything which might be considered idiotic.
If this cop is so paranoid and scared for his life then he has no business carrying a gun or a badge.
He needs to be standing in front of a judge who will decide whether or not he rots in jail for the rest of his life.
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Damn thats extreme. The cop never even saw the man with a gun in the first place, it was a rport that he had a gun.
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If this cop is so paranoid and scared for his life then he has no business carrying a gun or a badge.
There would be no cops if that was the case... no fire fighters, military, and etc... majority of them live in fear for their lives, and they should. They do put their lives at risk to help the community.
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If this cop is so paranoid and scared for his life then he has no business carrying a gun or a badge.
There would be no cops if that was the case... no fire fighters, military, and etc... majority of them live in fear for their lives, and they should. They do put their lives at risk to help the community.
That's complete BS Lyken... Did you grow up around a bunch of pussies or something? Was Richard Simmons your role model growing up or something?
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This isn't about the fourth amendment.
Its about due process and innocent until proven guilty.
Actually no, it isn't.
It's about not getting yourself killed by doing something stupid.
If the police are pointing guns at you and telling you to "freeze", "show me your hands" - then you'd better freeze and show them your hands. Doing anything else is likely to get you killed, and while you may put "Getting Killed because I Was Stupid" high on your list of priorities, I do not.
If the cops are wrong, if your rights are being trampled upon, deal with it in court. Trying to deal with it on the street is stupid, but then again that's pretty much all you bring to these topics so I guess I shouldn't really be surprised.
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Was Richard Simmons your role model growing up or something?
Yes, is there something wrong with Richie (as I like to call him)?
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Was the baby wielded in a threatening manner?
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Was the baby wielded in a threatening manner?
No but I hear it's ears will almost surely recover from the gun going off in it's direction from a few feet away.
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The baby could have grabbed the gun and shot the cops. There's no way of telling. Someone should have shot it in the face.
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who's dumb enough to go pulling things out of your pocket when being detained by the police?
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I wonder if it works both ways.
If I see that cop approaching me at a traffic stop, I will be in fear of my life based on his history of multiple killings and therefore have the right to shoot him first in self defense.
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who's dumb enough to go pulling things out of your pocket when being detained by the police?
Someone who didn't know he was being detained? Someone inside his house talking to a cop at his door? Someone who assumes holding a baby as a strong indication of a nonthreatening posture?
I'm dumb enough to reach for a cell phone or a wallet in front of a cop. It's what my arms are for.
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Someone who assumes holding a baby as a strong indication of a nonthreatening posture?
*boggle*
50-year-old is waving gun around with one hand and has his 9-month-old grandkid in the other. Neighbors call police.
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Someone who assumes holding a baby as a strong indication of a nonthreatening posture?
*boggle*
50-year-old is waving gun around with one hand and has his 9-month-old grandkid in the other. Neighbors call police.
I just called the police and told them you were doing the same thing.
When they come to your house, make sure you follow their orders...
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I wonder if they have a merit badge for that?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/police-officer-shoots-man-with-baby_n_1281450.html
50-year-old is waving gun around with one hand and has his 9-month-old grandkid in the other. Neighbors call police. Man goes back inside house.
Police arrive and finally the man opens the door, he is still holding the baby.
Man reaches down for something that the cops can't see and the cop shoots him and kills him. (Turns out that it was a cell phone). They did find several weapons in the house.
The real key to this story for me, however, is that the cop that shot and killed the man has a long history of shootings. This is the 6th person he has killed in the past 6 years (he shot a 7th person, but they survived).
They have all been 'investigated' and 'justified', but the majority of cops never shoot anyone, let alone shoot and kill six people in different incidents.
Has he become desensitized to shooting people?
Has he developed such a hair trigger that he immediately implements deadly force at the first hint of danger?
Or is he just a statistical anomaly?
It should be noted that this is Scottsdale, which is a very wealth upper-middle-class community. It isn't like he is working inner city Phoenix .
hmmm...perhaps?
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I just called the police and told them you were doing the same thing.
When they come to your house, make sure you follow their orders...
Well, I'm not illmyrin nor am I sweeny, so I'm not stupid enough to get myself killed during an encounter with police officers.
This is why I'll still be alive after the cops leave, and there-for able to return the favor. 
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Koneg posted:
reesescups posted:
I just called the police and told them you were doing the same thing.
When they come to your house, make sure you follow their orders...
Well, I'm not illmyrin nor am I sweeny, so I'm not stupid enough to get myself killed during an encounter with police officers.
This is why I'll still be alive after the cops leave, and there-for able to return the favor.
Sure thing chief... I also told them you had a meth lab in the basement and some dead hookers out back.
Good Luck!
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Wait a minute, Koneg = Ptilk?
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Isn't Scottsdale the meth capital of the US?
I feel like Mesa is. At least that's where most of the people I get are addicted to meth. Not too many calls out in Scottsdale.
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Koneg posted:
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Someone who assumes holding a baby as a strong indication of a nonthreatening posture?
*boggle*
50-year-old is waving gun around with one hand and has his 9-month-old grandkid in the other. Neighbors call police.
Like that mattered Koneg? Man+gun+any excuse. I'm curious about your brain's rejection of something I wrote for you earlier. It's the evolution of all of your points. Face down, arms out, just in case.
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illmyrin posted:
Koneg posted:
illmyrin posted:
Someone who assumes holding a baby as a strong indication of a nonthreatening posture?
*boggle*
50-year-old is waving gun around with one hand and has his 9-month-old grandkid in the other. Neighbors call police.
Like that mattered Koneg?
Uhm, yes... hence the *boggle*
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Koneg posted:
illmyrin posted:
Koneg posted:
*boggle*
50-year-old is waving gun around with one hand and has his 9-month-old grandkid in the other. Neighbors call police.
Like that mattered Koneg?
Uhm, yes... hence the *boggle*
It's not like the police had any evidence of this other than some neighbor called.
Maybe the neighbors hated the little kid or a pet, or 'something' and just wanted to stir up some crap... Next thing you know deputy kill'em all shows up and starts blazing away...
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It's not like the police had any evidence of this other than some neighbor called.
Maybe the neighbors hated the little kid or a pet, or 'something' and just wanted to stir up some crap... Next thing you know deputy kill'em all shows up and starts blazing away...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
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Lyken-P posted:
reesescups posted:
It's not like the police had any evidence of this other than some neighbor called.
Maybe the neighbors hated the little kid or a pet, or 'something' and just wanted to stir up some crap... Next thing you know deputy kill'em all shows up and starts blazing away...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony
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