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Approval ratings are going up quickly. Republican approval ratings are at all time lows. He is cleaning up with independant voters. The GOP field is a mess with candidates no one wants to vote for. Plus he's got Combat Mage driving people to vote for him in droves on ACF. Is there even any point to actually campaigning?

 

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No, he made a comment a couple months ago... That when there's a front-runner, then that's when he'll start campaigning...

I'm guessing his warchest is huge now so he's not breaking a sweat...

 

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Not with these two crackpot frontrunners

These republican candidates are an absolute joke. Every time they talk about social issues, they alienate most of the moderates that could help them win.

 

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No, all the competition sucks as they are a bunch of religious wacktards.

Until a candidate shows up that can balance the extreme ends going on right now we will be severely F*(<ed as a country.


(I'm an Independent btw)

 

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Even I would choose him over what I've seen from the right. Throw Palin in there and he's sure to win.

 

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Repubs are throwing this election to get the office in another 4 years.


Plan on another 4 years of the same thing as the last few have been.

 

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Taxes are increasing across the board.
Terrible Health care bill is increasing the deficit.
Secret taxes are being introduced.
Gas prices are through the roof.
More entitlement programs are in the books.
Government size is increasing rapidly.
The number of government employees is at an all time high.

Yes. The media is united in attacking the Republican Party. It's the "new" political strategy. Use the media (social and otherwise) to make your opponent "stupid" in the eyes of the American people.

People are sheep, and stupid enough to fall for this. Anyone who thinks Obama is good for this country, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, is mentally ill.
I really don't understand how so many people can be so stupid.

He's inexperienced, making huge mistakes, and digging a deeper and deeper financial hole from which we are unlikely to recover.

 

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No.

 

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Subject: Is President and Supreme Commander Obama even going to need to campaign?
Santorum is a religious idiot with radical views that will not get him elected unless a lot of idiots with similar views come out to vote.

Romney is a rich guy and a perfect example of what is wrong with America today.

The only way Obama will lose is if the economy collapses again by November 8, which wont happen because they are going to spend enough money this year to make sure it doesn't happen and they got the IMF on board to make sure Europe doesn't go tits up either.

Obama has this wrapped.


As for the next economic collapse, probably next year.

 

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your assumption is that he stopped.

 

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TheUnholyGhost posted:
Taxes are increasing across the board.
Terrible Health care bill is increasing the deficit.
Secret taxes are being introduced.
Gas prices are through the roof.
More entitlement programs are in the books.
Government size is increasing rapidly.
The number of government employees is at an all time high.

Yes. The media is united in attacking the Republican Party. It's the "new" political strategy. Use the media (social and otherwise) to make your opponent "stupid" in the eyes of the American people.

People are sheep, and stupid enough to fall for this. Anyone who thinks Obama is good for this country, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, is mentally ill.
I really don't understand how so many people can be so stupid.

He's inexperienced, making huge mistakes, and digging a deeper and deeper financial hole from which we are unlikely to recover.


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I honestly don't understand who could possibly be okay with:

Paying more for gasoline.
Paying more for groceries.
Paying MUCH more to give free health care to drug addicts, illegal aliens, and the eternally lazy.
Allowing the government more control over your everyday life.
Paying an additional 3.8% tax on selling your home....when we already have a problem with the housing market?! Obama was at least smart enough to not have it take effect until after the 2012 election.

Now, I will be fair. The Republicans are likely going to be just as bad....just in a different way. If I hear one more thing about abortion, denying rights for gays, or religion in schools, I'm going to goddamn puke.

Things need to change. Completely.
The focus needs to be the economy, size of government, and our budget. Period. We need to get our house in order.

 

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Subject: Is President and Supreme Commander Obama even going to need to campaign?

You are foolish to believe he's not already campaigning.

 

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You will see so much of his face on TV from August through November that you will think he is big brother from 1984.

He has already pre-bought so much of the ad time that whoever does win the Republican side will have a hard time finding any time to actually buy.

The large question is -- can he sweep in enough democrats into the house to take the house and can his coattails allow the dems to hold the senate (a harder task actually)?

I think that is where rigged voting will come into play -- it wont happen with the presidential race, but it may happen with certain districts in close races for congressional or senatorial seats.

 

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You will see so much of his face on TV from August through November that you will think he is big brother from 1984.

He has already pre-bought so much of the ad time that whoever does win the Republican side will have a hard time finding any time to actually buy.

The large question is -- can he sweep in enough democrats into the house to take the house and can his coattails allow the dems to hold the senate (a harder task actually)?

I think that is where rigged voting will come into play -- it wont happen with the presidential race, but it may happen with certain districts in close races for congressional or senatorial seats.


This I agree with, will be interesting to see what happens there. The Presidential race will be a cake walk though. This could be the worst GOP field ever for that role.

 

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The real question is, will anyone run against him.

Obama's approval rating is 95% among candidates running against him. WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO WIN?!

 

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TheUnholyGhost posted:
Taxes are increasing across the board.
Terrible Health care bill is increasing the deficit.
Secret taxes are being introduced.
Gas prices are through the roof.
More entitlement programs are in the books.
Government size is increasing rapidly.
The number of government employees is at an all time high.

Yes. The media is united in attacking the Republican Party. It's the "new" political strategy. Use the media (social and otherwise) to make your opponent "stupid" in the eyes of the American people.

People are sheep, and stupid enough to fall for this. Anyone who thinks Obama is good for this country, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, is mentally ill.
I really don't understand how so many people can be so stupid.

He's inexperienced, making huge mistakes, and digging a deeper and deeper financial hole from which we are unlikely to recover.




Wow you need to put down the bong and stop drinking the right wing nutjobs kool aid.
Come back after you sober up and try to post that garbage with a straight face.

 

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Romney is a rich guy and a perfect example of what is wrong with America today.
I have no idea what makes you reach this conclusion.

Rho

 

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Romney the moderate from 10 years ago would have been a much better general election candidate, although he would never have made it out of the primaries. Romney the wannabe RWN politard of today is unelectable. Republicans don't trust him, and Democrats don't want a far right candidate.

 

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Santorum is a religious idiot with radical views that will not get him elected unless a lot of idiots with similar views come out to vote.




That's what scares the poops out of me.

 

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Romney the moderate from 10 years ago would have been a much better general election candidate, although he would never have made it out of the primaries. Romney the wannabe RWN politard of today is unelectable. Republicans don't trust him, and Democrats don't want a far right candidate.


and he won't get the backing of the religious nuts in this country cause he's mormon.

 

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Actually it shows just how far ahead the left is planningwise whenever you look at something like occupy.

I mean it made the country weary of protest which completely shut down the tea party for this election.

It made anonymous what they are today vs what they were before.

It may as well have minted an "I am the 1%" badge for Romney.

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The far left is just so very far ahead on everything that it is scary.

 

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As much as Obama needs to go, he has truly been a bad Pesident, there are simply no good choices from the lunatics in the other party.

 

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Romney is a rich guy and a perfect example of what is wrong with America today.
I have no idea what makes you reach this conclusion.

Rho

We are talking optics here and what people "think". Everybody wants to be rich, but a lot of people hate the people who are rich. Romney represents this, the class divide, etc, etc (unless you are an idiot and think there is no class divide in America Rho) and the democrats will exploit that.

 

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It's funny watching the rich Dems do the exploiting.

 

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It's funny watching the rich Dems do the exploiting.

Of course it is, but politics is about hypocrisy and the real idiots are us, because we never hold the politicians to account or demand truth.

Ultimately, as long as the Human Race wants to be ruled by emotional fallacy instead of logic, this will be the end result.

 

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America is screwed, by the retards from the right that is fielding and the current always in campaign mode president who talks big but never does anything. he makes a good salesman but not a worker.

 

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Every choice in the Republican party is a better choice than Obama.

 

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Romney is a rich guy and a perfect example of what is wrong with America today.
I have no idea what makes you reach this conclusion.

Rho

We are talking optics here and what people "think". Everybody wants to be rich, but a lot of people hate the people who are rich. Romney represents this, the class divide, etc, etc (unless you are an idiot and think there is no class divide in America Rho) and the democrats will exploit that.
ubama can't scrap two nickels together? Get real.

 

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America is screwed, by the retards from the right that is fielding and the current always in campaign mode president who talks big but never does anything. he makes a good salesman but not a worker.

America and most other democratic countries are screwed because its people want the government to cater to their own selfish needs.

We elect politicians who promise us little gifts and we boot out politicians who don't deliver on what we specifically want.

Greece is a prime example of a country that tossed out all logic and reason and followed nothing but the selfish needs of the electorate. Greece is the present, but it is probably the future for most countries.

 

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Gas prices are going to spike. Obama will need to campaign, framing the cost increase as the result of Wall Street speculators.

In addition, whoever wins the GOP nomination will change their tune to be more in line with the independents, and thus their ratings will go up. The far right will be upset for a bit, but they'll forget about it by November.

This election will actually be about who can get more of their own side out to vote. That might mean more positive ads then we've seen in the past.

 

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The Republican appeal to whack jobs who believe in ridiculous crap is what got them into this.

Just look at who their biggest fans are on ACF, our little society is a microcosm of the USA voting public, if you look at it that way it all falls into place.

 

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As a independent i laugh at both sides LOL.

 

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Casuist posted:
Gas prices are going to spike. Obama will need to campaign, framing the cost increase as the result of Wall Street speculators.

In addition, whoever wins the GOP nomination will change their tune to be more in line with the independents, and thus their ratings will go up. The far right will be upset for a bit, but they'll forget about it by November.

This election will actually be about who can get more of their own side out to vote. That might mean more positive ads then we've seen in the past.


Gas price spikes are a easy win for Obama, just needs to point to the republican lust for subsidizing the industry.

 

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TheUnholyGhost posted:
Taxes are increasing across the board.
Terrible Health care bill is increasing the deficit.
Secret taxes are being introduced.
Gas prices are through the roof.
More entitlement programs are in the books.
Government size is increasing rapidly.
The number of government employees is at an all time high.

Yes. The media is united in attacking the Republican Party. It's the "new" political strategy. Use the media (social and otherwise) to make your opponent "stupid" in the eyes of the American people.

People are sheep, and stupid enough to fall for this. Anyone who thinks Obama is good for this country, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, is mentally ill.
I really don't understand how so many people can be so stupid.

He's inexperienced, making huge mistakes, and digging a deeper and deeper financial hole from which we are unlikely to recover.


Wow... 2/10.

I wouldve given you zero but you actually believe what you just typed.

 

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He'll just open up the strategic reserves if gas spikes too much.

 

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I am betting by the end of his second term, we will have passed a new amendment to allow presidents to serve 3 or more terms because of his many successes.

 

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By all means, dispute any of it.

Are gas prices not rising?
Is there not a 3.8% sales tax on homes going into effect in 2013 snuck into the Health Care bill, while the housing market is still attempting to recover?
Are grocery prices not rising?
Is government not larger than it's ever been?
Is the deficit not wildly out of control?

What exactly is incorrect about anything I've said?

This kind of unbridled stupidity from the "Average voter" is why this country is in a tailspin to an economic disaster.

We shouldn't allow you morons to vote. Seriously.

 

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He'll just open up the strategic reserves if gas spikes too much.


he will use it to push his message first. It will read something like this

"Oil companies are paying next to nothing in taxes. They are getting subsidized by the US Tax Payers. They are reaping record profits for companies. The republicans wont let me pass legislation to make them pay their fair share, and they want you the tax payer to continue to subsidize them."

Its of course not as simple as that but thats pretty much the message that will be delievered and eaten up. Then out of the kindness of his Overlord heart to help the little guy, the truckers, farmers, he will tap into the reserves.

 

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By all means, dispute any of it.

Are gas prices not rising?


Gas prices are rising, and will continue to rise. The reasons for this are somewhat complex.
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Is there not a 3.8% sales tax on homes going into effect in 2013 snuck into the Health Care bill, while the housing market is still attempting to recover?


There is not a 3.8% sales tax on homes going into effect in 2013. Please reread your source.
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Are grocery prices not rising?


Global warming cutting production combined with China and India's rising middle class creating a higher demand for food is the cause of this. Obama isn't the cause.
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Is government not larger than it's ever been?


The government is larger than it has ever been.
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Is the deficit not wildly out of control?


The deficit is not wildly out of control. The solutions will not be liked by some, but they are obvious.

 

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The solutions are to keep spending more and keep taking more from the top end until everyone is poor.

 

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The human race is doomed once you people accept that then you won't even worry about piddling things like who is "in charge".

 

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By all means, dispute any of it.

Are gas prices not rising?
Is there not a 3.8% sales tax on homes going into effect in 2013 snuck into the Health Care bill, while the housing market is still attempting to recover?
Are grocery prices not rising?
Is government not larger than it's ever been?
Is the deficit not wildly out of control?

What exactly is incorrect about anything I've said?

This kind of unbridled stupidity from the "Average voter" is why this country is in a tailspin to an economic disaster.

We shouldn't allow you morons to vote. Seriously.






republicans have had the House for how long now? Where are all their masterful country saving plans? I know they are being persistent about raising taxes on the working class after just last year holding congress hostage until the tax cuts for the rich were extended.

Where is all this magic?

 

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As a independent i laugh at both sides LOL.

 

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Supreme Commander Obama? Wow that sounds so cool. It's long past time we abolished our Republic and installed a benevolent dictatorship more like Rome under Emperor Augustus had. Supreme Commander Obama could be the new Augustus.

You can't tell me arab terrorists would ever mess with the new fascist American government led by a man named Supreme Commander Obama. Who would mess with that?

 

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Are grocery prices not rising?


Global warming cutting production combined with China and India's rising middle class creating a higher demand for food is the cause of this. Obama isn't the cause.


why not just blame f'kin sunspots laugh
absolutely retarded. its OUR economy the breads on OUR shelf its OUR doing. not friggin China and India.

 

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Santorum is a religious idiot with radical views that will not get him elected unless a lot of idiots with similar views come out to vote.




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Is President and Supreme Commander Obama even going to need to campaign?

its how the establishments fix the elections these days make one of the opponents running just a person not capable of running. The entire GOP couldn't field better candidates then Mitt Romney or Newt. I personally think Ron Paul is doing so well not because of a loyal following he does have but because everyone running against him in the primary's completely suck.

 

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Americans are kinda dumb, they'll vote for anyone who seems genuine to them. That's how Bush won. You just have to be handsome, moderate and a good speaker and genuine enough to fool most of the people most of the time.

 

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America is screwed, by the retards from the right that is fielding and the current always in campaign mode president who talks big but never does anything. he makes a good salesman but not a worker.


All the president is now a days. Part of the problem he is just a guy who gives speeches while his staff whom were all part of big corporations do all the work and make all the decisions. President just a guy who gives a speech then signs his name on everything put in front of him.

 

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GOP doesn't have a chance in hell and they know it.

Such a fun circus to watch.

 

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No, he doesn't have to campaign, that's why he's putting together a Super PAC... to not campaign.

Another bright observation Cutt.

 

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Cuttlery posted:
silvadel2 posted:
He'll just open up the strategic reserves if gas spikes too much.


he will use it to push his message first. It will read something like this

"Oil companies are paying next to nothing in taxes. They are getting subsidized by the US Tax Payers. They are reaping record profits for companies. The republicans wont let me pass legislation to make them pay their fair share, and they want you the tax payer to continue to subsidize them."

Its of course not as simple as that but thats pretty much the message that will be delievered and eaten up. Then out of the kindness of his Overlord heart to help the little guy, the truckers, farmers, he will tap into the reserves.



cutt if they took oil of the subsidies market how much would it go down ?

 

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TheUnholyGhost posted:
Are grocery prices not rising?


Global warming cutting production combined with China and India's rising middle class creating a higher demand for food is the cause of this. Obama isn't the cause.


why not just blame f'kin sunspots laugh
absolutely retarded. its OUR economy the breads on OUR shelf its OUR doing. not friggin China and India.

For some unforseeable, unpredictable, unmodelable reason, food production has declined. Thus supply has decreased.

Totally unrelated, those bastards in the country of "not America" want more food. Thus demand has increased.

In a free market, when supply decreases or demand increases, the cost of goods and services rise.

So, obviously, what we should do is have the military attack the plants until they grow more food, and declare war on "not America" until they reduce their demand.

 

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Food is going up because corn is now being used for more things then feeding cattle. Which drives the price of corn up thus cattle.

 

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cutt if they took oil of the subsidies market how much would it go down ?


Not at all, but the arguement Supreme Holiness Obama will make is this. Why are we subsidizing oil companies making record profits and paying lower taxes (and selling a good amount of their subsidized product now to China) and cutting subsidies on farmers who are paying higher taxes?

 

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Food is going up because corn is now being used for more things then feeding cattle. Which drives the price of corn up thus cattle.




Food is going up for about a million reasons, blaming Obama for it is pretty retarded, but it was TUG doing that so that pretty much explains that away.

Gas princes are higher.
Exports are higher
farming subsidies are down
inflation
droughts
etc etc, there are about a million reasons.

 

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Fozzie_Bear posted:
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Are grocery prices not rising?


Global warming cutting production combined with China and India's rising middle class creating a higher demand for food is the cause of this. Obama isn't the cause.


why not just blame f'kin sunspots laugh
absolutely retarded. its OUR economy the breads on OUR shelf its OUR doing. not friggin China and India.


Yes and the price of energy has NOTHING to do with farm production.

It really is that simple and Jimmy Carter called it over 30 years ago.

 

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The idiocy that abounds around ACF is indicative of the United States as a whole.

We deserve the collapse that's coming.

Luckily, when the dust settles, it will likely be the gun owning conservatives left standing.

 

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It's amazing how much people believe in what they are told and very apparently do not look in to the info themselves. This thread is hilarious.

 

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Such a fun circus to watch.


Yep.

The NY Times has a good article about the current state of the US, economy, and deficit:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/even-critics-of-safety-net-increasingly-depend-on-it.html

One of the more interesting points in the article was this:

" Support for Republican candidates, who generally promise to cut government spending, has increased since 1980 in states where the federal government spends more than it collects. The greater the dependence, the greater the support for Republican candidates.

Conversely, states that pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits tend to support Democratic candidates. "

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