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Topic: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!

.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7574104/west-virginia-mountaineers-join-big-12-july-big-east-lawsuit-settlement I do find it funny though that the Big Cluster got both TCU and WV to join as junior members for 3 years! Enjoy our exit fee - if we pay one! Btw: Amendial, did you see the ku schedule? Still have an open date on Thanksgiving... -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	It would be nice, but unfortantly the KU administration is too busy pouting about not getting picked early in the conference realignment game. I had a nice little disscussion with some other KU students about it and why we need to continue the rivalry. It is clear to me that it wont happen, at least not for a couple of years. Most of the people here are still on the "Missouri is the one who left us" trip. There is too much damaged ego and pride right now on the KU side for anything to get done with Mizzou. As I tried to point out yesterday, if Mizzou had left for the MWC or the MVC or something like that, we would have had a deal in place to play them the moment they left. My hope is that the adminstrators will get over this little temper tantrum they are throwing and schedule Missouri in a few years, but who knows, this could last much longer than I anticipate. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	I love the 'Missouri left us' argument, or the marriage analogy. Missouri and ku were not married. They were more like a couple of "frenemies" that worked at the same office. Sure they were polite at the office, and worked together to get projects done, and occasionally fraternized at the office parties... But then MU got an offer to go work at another office across town that had paid better but required longer working hours. It makes no sense that the two can't continue to meet at the bar after work and occasionally hook up. Sure its harder to set up rendezvous, and ya, it's a lot more fun to secretly be banging someone in the office, but c'mon, everyone knew and nobody cared before! -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	I look at it as more of a sibling rivalry. Mizzou and KU were just two kids living under the same house rules that mom (OU) and dad (Texas) set for the rest of the children (the remaining teams in the Big 12) and Mizzou got an offer to move in with a bunch of their friends so they jumped on the opportunity to get away from the overly controlling and self centered parents of the conference. Instead of being a good brother, KU has decided to take the other route of disowning Mizzou for leaving them behind to live under the rules of OU and Texas. I do not buy into the Mizzou left us argument anymore, as it is clear they didn't leave KU, they left OU and Texas. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling if Mizzou could have dragged KU along with them to the SEC they probably would have; as much as the two schools hate each other, we sure do love playing each other. Being in the same conference makes those games even better because they can have title implications, not just bragging rights. It is completely clear to me that the only reason people are against scheduling Mizzou is they have hurt feelings and a damaged ego from realizing that no one outside of about ten schools give a darn about basketball. If realignment was about basketball, every conference would have been knocking on the KU door offering to have them in the conference, but its not about basketball its all about football. KU is nothing more than a mid level mid major when it comes to football attractiveness, and location reletive to big cities. Its a cold hard truth, but the truth is the truth. I still have to think if the four stable conferences go to 16 teams, then KU will be included based on their football facilities (we do have decent facilities) and their excellent basketball program (conferences will eventually learn how to cash in on basketball to the level they have in football, just give it time). The Mizzou to SEC move just opens up the door for the move I think would best benefit KU: going to the Big 10. Now schools like Iowa State, Baylor, and Kansas State have a legitimate reason to be very conserned. They are most likely to be left behind if the Big 12 ever implodes (or should I say when the Big 12 implodes). Ok State, Oklahoma will be prime for the taking by the SEC or Pac 16, Texas is a wildcard because I do not know if any of the major conferences want to deal with the drama that comes along with Texas, and Texas Tech will only go as far as Texas takes them. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	That's a fair assessment as well. Another conspiracy theory regarding these games I actually have to wonder if there is some validity to also. Texas is the 'daddy' in your analogy. Since 'daddy' is refusing to play the other child that got a chance to move out (A&M) then he is also telling 'child' ku that they cannot play Mizzou. How bad would it have looked for Texas if ku had not had hard feelings about this and agreed to keep playing us? ku and MU can keep playing but they refuse to play A&M?? Also, there is a button on your keyboard called the "Enter" key, it's over by your pinky. It helps make things called paragraphs! -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	That is interesting, but I dont think Texas really cares what Kansas does. Their ego is too big to think of anyone but Texas. Texas feels they are much better and dont need anyone else, but the reality of it is that Texas needs the Big 12 more than the Big 12 needs Texas. We are probably the only conference that will let them have their cake and eat it as well (keep all of the Longhorn network revenue while still being in a major conference that shares revenue). I have no doubt the Pac 16 rejected Texas in the last alignment because they wouldnt budge on the Longhorn network. As far as KU not scheduling MU, I think given what Texas did, it would be even better for KU to schedule MU. Everyone would compare the two situations and praise KU for taking the high road and doing the right thing. The question I have is, how much does KU's recent football struggles play into the Universities decision to not schedule Mizzou immediately? I mean if we were to play next season, I would be surprised if we are not destroyed by Mizzou, like we have been the past three years. If KU rebounds next year, how much will that play into the decision a few years from now on whether or not we should schedule Mizzou? From a basketball stand point, I think a game will get done much sooner rather than later. I wouldnt be surprised to see Mizzou coming to Lawrence within the next two years again. Perhaps they can set something up around New Years every year, a home and home series every two years. Also thanks for bringing up painful memories of my right pinky, I lost it in an epic lightsaber battle somewhere on Hoth. Not cool man. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	Looks like you are paying an exit fee, and it is going to be much larger than the one Nebraska or Colorado had to pay. 12.41 million. I am sure Texas and Oklahoma will enjoy the crap out of that money...well the Big Least will enjoy 9 million of it, and Texas/Oklahoma will enjoy the rest. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7626832/big-12-imposes-missouri-tigers-texas-aggies-exit-buyout-1241-million -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	I honestly think that Missouri should have to pay 9 million more than Texas A&M since it cost us 9 million more to find Missouris replacement than I did to find Texas A&M's replacement, but the weak management in the Big 12 doesn't have the balls to stand up to anyone like that. They wouldnt have let Nebraska and Colorado out so cheaply if they did. Imagine the payout they could have given all ten schools next year if they held Nebraska and Colorado to the 20 mil buyout and Missouri and Texas A&M the 30 million buy out. Could have added 10 million per school in revenue. Just another reason the Big 12 is too weak to function properly and will fall apart eventually. The Big East is a good example on how to do it. That 20 million buy out from West Va will make a lot of schools smile next year. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	That buyout is less than I expected it to be. I was thinking around 15 million. I will certainly take <13 when it could have been between 30-40 million. However, I think that had the Big 12 pushed it too hard, Missouri had a case to pay no buyout. The Big 12 publicly put out the information about who they expected to be in the league next year and Missouri was not on the list BEFORE anything was made official on the move (though negotiations were certainly going on behind the scenes about when we could leave). Once the Big 12 did that, MU should have had a case to claim that they were kicked out of the Big 12. Coupled with the fact that several Big 12 representatives were on record as saying variations of "The Big 12 does not need/want Missouri" it would be hard pressed to prove that the TV contracts were damaged too much by a team leaving that "nobody wanted". The Big 12 leaders did many things wrong through all of this. And I mean over the last 4 years. I would suggest that stronger leaders could have saved the league in many ways, at many times. It is not that the league is doomed, but they sure didn't put on much of an act to make me think that it will be there long term. I will miss the Big 8 schools. Well, I still miss the Big 8. The Big 12 didn't really mean nearly as much to me. I never got into too much of a rivalry with any of the Texas schools. That could have changed if we stayed though. As you like to say, it's not much of a rivalry if one team wins all the time. Mizzou football is really beginning to become good and consistently would have had a fighters chance to beat Texas/OU every year. The south teams were never really good in basketball so the rivalry there was not really formed either. -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	I was kind of excited about joining with the Mountian West schools a few years back. I thought it could really develop into a good football conference and would develop into a great basketball conference if KU, K-State, Missouri, Iowa State, and Baylor were to join up with Boise State, TCU, BYU, UNLV, San Deigo State, Air Force, Utah, Colorado State and New Mexico. Now that the Mountian West is scrambled all over the place it is not much of an option, but I think it could have become a great and still somewhat regional conference. I will say that I think the remaining teams in the Big 12 after Oklahoma and Texas eventually leave (K-State, KU, Iowa State, Baylor, and TCU) should keep the conference together back up to 10 or 12 teams, there is definitely viability for a mid western conference to survive still. BYU, Boise State (which could probably easily be bought out of the Big East), UNLV, New Mexico, and Air Force would still make an ok football conference and would still be a pretty good basketball conference. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	While interesting, I don't think ku will have to be worried about landing in one of the 4 (5?) major conferences if/when expansion rolls back around. IF you can get severed from k-state. ku is now in the same position MU was in last year. You guys now border both the Big 10 and the SEC, you have the basketball for the ACC, and depending upon how things fall you are not too far from the Pac either. While you don't have football revenue or TV sets, you can argue that you have BB revenue and you are an AAU school. -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Big 12 -2 -1 +1 -1 is now +1 again!!
	Thats a big if on getting seperated from K-State. The Board of Regents does not sound as if they will let that happen easily, because they know the truth that K-State is only considered a viable BCS school because of its connection to KU (very poor academics). I am not worried about KU landing somewhere good, like I have said many times before, these major conferences will figure out how to make big money off basketball eventually. When they do KU is the top school on any conferences radar, because they have the national brand that will make it easy for a conference to maximize that basketball profit. Just throwing out a what if scenario. I said a few years ago I wasn't down about KU going to Mountian West if that is what happened. Mountian West is sending four teams to the tournament for sure this year; add KU, MU, ISU, Baylor, Iowa State (who were the left behinds when this all started a few years ago) and that makes nine teams out of 12 going to the NCAA tournament. Tell me that would not be the best conference in America right now. Without having traditional powerhouse football programs to worry about, but still have several good to great programs in the conference it is hard to imagine the Mountian West not taking the Big 12's autobid, and it is easy to see that MU and KU would have had a much easier time winning a conference championship. It is too late now, but man I think that would have been the best long term move if those 5 schools had banded together with the best 7 Mountian West schools. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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