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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noam-chomsky/american-decline-_b_1276193.html
Worth a read even if Chomsky tends to overstate his case sometimes.
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A rant about hating America from the America Hater's Preacher.
Clarified that for you.
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How dare anyone have the temerity to criticize America! It's unAmerican!
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Kjarhall posted:
Koneg posted:
Tired old rants from a tired old America hater
Nuh uh! It's new!
Well, ok - maybe it's new to you. 
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I swear you're quite possibly the most obtuse person I've met in all my years on the tubes.
If you weren't technically inclined I assure you there would be place for you in law enforcement.
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Chomsky doesn't hate America, but he is an extremely outspoken critic of America's foreign policy, sense of exceptionalism, and failure to live up to its own promises of freedom and equality. That makes him patriotic in my book, the moreso because everything he says will be batted back by flag waving jeeebus loving conservabots as anti American.
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I got as far as "invasion of South Vietnam"
WTF?
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I got as far as "invasion of South Vietnam"
WTF?
Well if you have the viewpoint that the dictatorship in South Vietnam was illegitimately supported by the United States over the will of the South Vietnamese people (who overwhelmingly supported Ho Chi Minh in the 50s), then you can spin it that way. As I said, he can overstate his case.
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Terrible article. Ironically the biggest critique you could reasonably make of it is that it is sophomoric.
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Ho Chi Minh asked for American support even asked for support in modeling his country's constitution after America's.
We told him to take a hike so Russia supported him as well as China.
He wished only for a free country and we pissed on him for it.
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He lost me at the word "the".
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AzureTyger posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
I got as far as "invasion of South Vietnam"
WTF?
Well if you have the viewpoint that the dictatorship in South Vietnam was illegitimately supported by the United States over the will of the South Vietnamese people (who overwhelmingly supported Ho Chi Minh in the 50s), then you can spin it that way. As I said, he can overstate his case.
If his goal is to get caught up in stupid semantic debates then I suppose it was a good word choice. If he was looking to make a convincing argument or act as a historian he is an idiot.
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His writing on our affairs in Central America is worth a gander. So little attention was paid to what Reagan did there.
It also helps to explain part of the immigration problem.
Always odd to me that 'why are they flocking here?' is never traced back to the utter waste that we laid to civil infrastructure in those countries back in the 80's by the MSM.
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Chomsky doesn't hate America
As a gentle reminder, this is the guy who calls America "the world's greatest terrorist state"?
There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim.
-- Noam Chomsky, on the raid that killed Osama bin Laden
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
AzureTyger posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
I got as far as "invasion of South Vietnam"
WTF?
Well if you have the viewpoint that the dictatorship in South Vietnam was illegitimately supported by the United States over the will of the South Vietnamese people (who overwhelmingly supported Ho Chi Minh in the 50s), then you can spin it that way. As I said, he can overstate his case.
If his goal is to get caught up in stupid semantic debates then I suppose it was a good word choice. If he was looking to make a convincing argument or act as a historian he is an idiot.
Oh, you mean Paulg co-wrote it?
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Oh, you mean Paulg co-wrote it?
He would make one hell of an Outposter though.
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this is the guy who calls America "the world's greatest terrorist state"?
He's right, but that part on bin Laden is just trolling.
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If his goal is to get caught up in stupid semantic debates then I suppose it was a good word choice. If he was looking to make a convincing argument or act as a historian he is an idiot.
I dunno, it seems pretty accurate to me. We sent a lot of troops to South Vietnam where they essentially took over and ran the country for the U.S.'s benefit. Because I don't think anyone thinks we gave a crap about the south vietnamese, who we killed nearly as many of as the north vietnamese. Most of the fighting was in the south, not the north.
We didn't invade to "overthrow" the south vietnamese government but I don't see why that means you can't call it an invasion.
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Koneg posted:
Kjarhall posted:
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Tired old rants from a tired old America hater
Nuh uh! It's new!
Well, ok - maybe it's new to you.
That's the best you can do? At least try to be relevant. 
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the problem with Chomsky us that he is right about the transgressions the US government commuted to enact their foreign policy of empire, but he seems to want government to commit those same transgressions to implement a domestic policy of tyranny here to achieve the laughable goal of economic equality that can never be achieve unless you make everyone poor
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If his goal is to get caught up in stupid semantic debates then I suppose it was a good word choice. If he was looking to make a convincing argument or act as a historian he is an idiot.
I dunno, it seems pretty accurate to me. We sent a lot of troops to South Vietnam where they essentially took over and ran the country for the U.S.'s benefit. Because I don't think anyone thinks we gave a crap about the south vietnamese, who we killed nearly as many of as the north vietnamese. Most of the fighting was in the south, not the north.
We didn't invade to "overthrow" the south vietnamese government but I don't see why that means you can't call it an invasion.
Yeah still stupid word choice. The US made a long list of mistakes during the time period. Painting the US in a bad light is super easy. Trying to convince anyone that the US invaded South Vietnam is pointless and unecessary not to mention factually innacurate.
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The US isn't being shown in a bad light, it's being shown in a light period.
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Yeah still stupid word choice.
I think the word choice is designed to provoke reaction. Most of Chomsky's stuff is designed to provoke a reaction as much as to really be accurate.
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Chomsky tends to use his writing to troll for gay sex in online chatrooms.
It seems his followers do as well.
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Chomsky tends to use his writing to troll for gay sex in online chatrooms.
It seems his followers do as well.
Pretty sure by "Chomsky" you meant "Republicans"
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Chomsky tends to use his writing to troll for gay sex in online chatrooms.
You would be really popular in certain intellectual circles if you told them you let Chomsky bone you once. Even virtually.
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Chomsky tends to use his writing to troll for gay sex in online chatrooms.
It seems his followers do as well.
Are you here answering that call?
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Speaking truth to power always makes the right uncomfortable.
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Cabby seems to be saying it gives him a chubby. Which could be uncomfortable, I guess.
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Speaking truth to power always makes the right uncomfortable.
The left has no experience here to draw from. 
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Call me Secret Cockrider
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Chomsky tends to use his writing to troll for gay sex in online chatrooms.
It seems his followers do as well.
I can set you up with Moe, its cheaper if you take it up the arse.........
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I miss Sobukakke
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Chomsky tends to use his writing to troll for gay sex in online chatrooms.
It seems his followers do as well.
I can set you up with Moe, its cheaper if you take it up the arse.........
That pricing probably helps for a guy on welfare, no?
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I tried to read it but I tend to want to stop when I see a know lie. After several lies I have to leave it. Much like an Obama speech it is easier to count the truths than the lies in this.
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