A professor at the U.S. Naval War College says that carrier-killing missiles underscore that the U.S. can no longer assume naval supremacy as it has since the end of World War II.[20]

Testerion posted:

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China would win because USA wouldn't be able to go to China for funds needed to use all that snappy technology.

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Tipztoe posted:

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... a good source of revenue.

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illmyrin posted:

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7614 mph = 3 403.76256 m / s

Mach 10.

The world's first Anti-ship ballistic missile. It can put a warhead on a target nearly anywhere in the world in under 5 seconds.

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GrymmDAOC posted:

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... but China is still very vulnerable to interdiction of its resource and oil supplies.

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imaloon1 posted:

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A combined China/Russia first strike is inevitable.

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Tipztoe posted:

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Testerion posted:

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China would win because USA wouldn't be able to go to China for funds needed to use all that snappy technology.

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but it would also cut off US from buying all the Chinese crap we do, hence a good source of revenue.

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Testerion posted:

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Tipztoe posted:

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Testerion posted:

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China would win because USA wouldn't be able to go to China for funds needed to use all that snappy technology.

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but it would also cut off US from buying all the Chinese crap we do, hence a good source of revenue.

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China is used to starving its people, USA isnt.

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Testerion posted:

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Tipztoe posted:

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Testerion posted:

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China would win because USA wouldn't be able to go to China for funds needed to use all that snappy technology.

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but it would also cut off US from buying all the Chinese crap we do, hence a good source of revenue.

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China is used to starving its people, USA isnt.

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Koneg posted:

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illmyrin posted:

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7614 mph = 3 403.76256 m / s

Mach 10.

The world's first Anti-ship ballistic missile. It can put a warhead on a target nearly anywhere in the world in under 5 seconds.

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It must be an awfully small world you live on. Assuming at time zero it's already reached its maximum speed (impossible but go with it) the range at 5 seconds is ~17,000 meters - which is a little over 10 miles.

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Eradiani posted:

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right.. because I'm sure china knows were all of our subs are that can launch nuclear missiles from around the globe are..

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Moe_Nox posted:

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No. China would win because the west is too soft hearted. In a war without remorse the US would destroy China to whatever degree of severity that we allowed ourselves.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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No. China would win because the west is too soft hearted. In a war without remorse the US would destroy China to whatever degree of severity that we allowed ourselves.

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GrymmDAOC posted:

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Carriers are far more vulnerable than people will admit, but China is still very vulnerable to interdiction of its resource and oil supplies.

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GrymmDAOC posted:

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The USA is quite capable of feeding itself.

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Testerion posted:

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Eradiani posted:

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right.. because I'm sure china knows were all of our subs are that can launch nuclear missiles from around the globe are..

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About as well as you guys know of Chinese 100-200 nukes that can all reach USA...MAD is a bitch.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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China would have to invade Mexico, which would be unwilling to allow them a forward base, so they'd be drawn into the war if China went that route and Canada has no chance of lending them aid.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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China would have to invade Mexico, which would be unwilling to allow them a forward base, so they'd be drawn into the war if China went that route and Canada has no chance of lending them aid.

Until the first American city was bombed. Then there would be no force on the planet capable of stopping the American war machine. A democratic power fully engaged in a just war is a terribly powerful force (and it would be Just in 99% of Americans eyes no matter who shot first or who created the environment for the inevitable.)

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dae_trist posted:

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Moe_Nox posted:

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No. China would win because the west is too soft hearted. In a war without remorse the US would destroy China to whatever degree of severity that we allowed ourselves.

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40 years ago, maybe

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Eradiani posted:

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Testerion posted:

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Eradiani posted:

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right.. because I'm sure china knows were all of our subs are that can launch nuclear missiles from around the globe are..

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About as well as you guys know of Chinese 100-200 nukes that can all reach USA...MAD is a bitch.

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Which is why this argument is silly. China wouldn't launch an attack on our aircraft carriers without expecting war from pretty much all of our allies.

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reesescups posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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Moe_Nox posted:

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No. China would win because the west is too soft hearted. In a war without remorse the US would destroy China to whatever degree of severity that we allowed ourselves.

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40 years ago, maybe

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Dizammm that took a little over 3 hours...

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Moe_Nox posted:

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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China would have to invade Mexico, which would be unwilling to allow them a forward base, so they'd be drawn into the war if China went that route and Canada has no chance of lending them aid.

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Ok, I will give you the out of thinking hypothetically of some distant time when China has these mythical capabilities, because as of now, currently, there is no friggin way they can project that kind of power. They simply do not have the means to do any large scale amphibious D-day type assault.
They might arguably be capable of traveling to Taiwan and emerging victorious on a beach landing. Maybe.

Mexico? Canada?

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dae_trist posted:

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Singapore and Taiwan would probably join China in a war against a third aggressor nation, especially if relations continue to warm. It's a foregone conclusion that China isn't going to start any wars with anyone soon, it's simply not in their interest.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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China would have to invade Mexico, which would be unwilling to allow them a forward base, so they'd be drawn into the war if China went that route and Canada has no chance of lending them aid.

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Ok, I will give you the out of thinking hypothetically of some distant time when China has these mythical capabilities, because as of now, currently, there is no friggin way they can project that kind of power. They simply do not have the means to do any large scale amphibious D-day type assault.
They might arguably be capable of traveling to Taiwan and emerging victorious on a beach landing. Maybe.

Mexico? Canada?

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reesescups posted:

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You think Taiwan would join China if China and the US went toe to toe? Really, that's what you think?

Is that why I get free BJ's in Taiwan when I say I am an American?

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Tipztoe posted:

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china doesn't need military invasions.. the current population invasions are working very well.

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dae_trist posted:

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GrymmDAOC posted:

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Carriers are far more vulnerable than people will admit, but China is still very vulnerable to interdiction of its resource and oil supplies.

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If you somehow plan to blockade the Sino-Russian border, sure.

GrymmDAOC posted:

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The USA is quite capable of feeding itself.

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Not once fallout destroys crops and water supplies.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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Ok I skimmed over it. Makes more sense now.
The main hardship in any war with China would be protecting our allies, as opposed to actual US territory.
Japan, Korea, Taiwan, as well as some others would be in vastly greater danger than any Americans.

Neutralizing Chinese satellites, frying any of their net systems/driving them off the web, and choking trade flow of anything beyond India would be our focus.
Russia is the lynch pin for any such scenario. Just getting them to remain neutral would seal a victory for the west.

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-Espiritu- posted:

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so what you're saying is, the US is nuked to the point of coast to coast irradiation, but China and Russia are so untouched that they can continue aggricultural commerce between their two states?

Even in perfect first strike scenarios from a united Russia/China, our 14 Ohio Class SSBNs with a full compliment of 24 Trident II missiles will secure MAD. There will be no need for a blockade, since any significant population centers will be destroyed.

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dae_trist posted:

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Tipztoe posted:

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china doesn't need military invasions.. the current population invasions are working very well.

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They are indeed. All those "millionaires" going to Canada and America that some tards here are bragging about will simply colonize the West coast, making them 1,000x better for everyone

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reesescups posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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Moe_Nox posted:

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No. China would win because the west is too soft hearted. In a war without remorse the US would destroy China to whatever degree of severity that we allowed ourselves.

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40 years ago, maybe

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Dizammm that took a little over 3 hours...

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dae_trist posted:

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Moe_Nox posted:

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Ok I skimmed over it. Makes more sense now.
The main hardship in any war with China would be protecting our allies, as opposed to actual US territory.
Japan, Korea, Taiwan, as well as some others would be in vastly greater danger than any Americans.

Neutralizing Chinese satellites, frying any of their net systems/driving them off the web, and choking trade flow of anything beyond India would be our focus.
Russia is the lynch pin for any such scenario. Just getting them to remain neutral would seal a victory for the west.

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So you believe Russia would "remain neutral" if the US started an unprovoked war with China?
And you think Japan, Korea and especially Taiwan would get involved?
Even in this fantasy scenario you need to get all of Central Asia on board, and they don't really like anything about America aside from your $$$ which will immediately be worthless upon declaring war on the PRC.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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The only fantasy in any of the above text is where you somehow concocted the US starting this imaginary war, which was never stated.
Continue on with your paranoia, Twatter.

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Tipztoe posted:

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the one in Boston is full of trannys, drug dealers, old women spitting all over the place and I even saw some lady let her daughter drop trow in the middle of the street and take a piss in broad daylight.

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dae_trist posted:

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Tipztoe posted:

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the one in Boston is full of trannys, drug dealers, old women spitting all over the place and I even saw some lady let her daughter drop trow in the middle of the street and take a piss in broad daylight.

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No one said they would keep blacks and whites out.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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Come around..
Twatter the west has invested alot to build up china so you can make all our stuff for us in sweatshops.
We appreciate it, and will gladly pay you Tuesday for some more lawn gnomes today!

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eodoll posted:

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China would lose any real war in 1 minute. You drop 3 nuclear bombs on their most congested cities.

They lose half a billion people in the few seconds to minutes it takes for the bombs to reach their destination.

If china didnt drop out of a war then theyd be cray at that point.

Theyd have to drop nukes all over the US to hit us that hard.

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dae_trist posted:

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eodoll posted:

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China would lose any real war in 1 minute. You drop 3 nuclear bombs on their most congested cities.

They lose half a billion people in the few seconds to minutes it takes for the bombs to reach their destination.

If china didnt drop out of a war then theyd be cray at that point.

Theyd have to drop nukes all over the US to hit us that hard.

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If you dropped 3 nukes on China's 3 biggest cities they'd lose ~30 million people. I don't know if you're dumb or just trolling on the half a billion thing, but China could easily drop 2 nukes on each of America's major cities and kill 50 million, and then focus on destroying your infrastructure so you collapse on yourself.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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I'm retarded

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eodoll posted:

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So china would have to drop 25 nukes? Wed blow most of those up in the sky.

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eodoll posted:

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We could easily destroy the lives of 800 million people in a few seonds. That seems like a giant soft spot for china.

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Testerion posted:

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All you need to do in USA is cause massive blackout and you guys self-pwn. "YEAH LIGHTS ARE OUT! RIOTING AND LOOTING TIME WOHOOO!!!!"

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dae_trist posted:

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eodoll posted:

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So china would have to drop 25 nukes? Wed blow most of those up in the sky.

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you think America's missile defense system actually works? China could easily churn out 10,000s of missiles and launch all of them. You'd have to get lucky and find the ones with the warheads.

eodoll posted:

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We could easily destroy the lives of 800 million people in a few seonds. That seems like a giant soft spot for china.

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And China could easily wipe America off the face of the earth. There'd still be a few million Chinese people left, and tens of millions outside of China. Not to mention that a nuclear attack on Southwest China is a nuclear attack on India and Southeast Asia, as 70-80% of the water they drink and use for agriculture originates from there. That, and any airborne contamination will make its way to South Korea and Japan within a few weeks if not days through the atmosphere, and actually deposit in California if they're light enough.

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eodoll posted:

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It would be hopeless. The chinese would lose.

We firebombed the hell out of japan and then we nuked them. It was hopeless for japan.

We have a lot more firepower this time. No chance for china in a war.

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Tipztoe posted:

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you sound angry
pretty typical

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eodoll posted:

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So china would have to drop 25 to a 100 nukes to kill 50 mil people? Wed blow most of those up in the sky.

We could easily destroy the lives of 800 million people in a few seonds using our submarines that are hanging out by china this minute.

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dae_trist posted:

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eodoll posted:

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It would be hopeless. The chinese would lose.

We firebombed the hell out of japan and then we nuked them. It was hopeless for japan.

We have a lot more firepower this time. No chance for china in a war.

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Japan didn't have nukes when they got nuked, nor the resources to mount a respectable defense or project naval/air power. That, and Tokyo was full of wooden buildings and lies flat and crowded on lowlands.

Whip out your world map.

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eodoll posted:

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My point is our firebombing killed even more people than our nuke did but we still used it.

We invented the nuclear bomb just to show our power during that war.

Wed invent an even more intense weapon if we felt the pressure to do so.

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Tipztoe posted:

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you sound angry
pretty typical

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Tych2 posted:

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I am a pretty good read of people.

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eodoll posted:

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Germanys best and brightest came here. Chances are chinas best and brightest woukd come here to fight on our side as well.

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dae_trist posted:

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China could easily churn out 10,000s of missiles and launch all of them.

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Koneg posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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China could easily churn out 10,000s of missiles and launch all of them.

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Uhm, no they can't. They only have about 400 weapons, and of that total less than 50 are ICBMs capable of reaching the Continental US.

China's nuclear weapons are pointed at Russia, same as ours are, which is why they have way more medium range weapons than long range.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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I'm stupid

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dae_trist posted:

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but that comes as no surprise. I'm more surprised and amused than anything.

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dae_trist posted:

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Firebombing, for obvious reasons, is not going to work well on China.
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Tipztoe posted:

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I'm stupid and love talking about penises

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dae_trist posted:

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Tipztoe posted:

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I'm stupid and love talking about penises

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Rikarus posted:

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and remember everybody, becaseu it aint spammed on the news means the US doesn't have any super duper weapons of it's own!

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Tipztoe posted:

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sorry you don't have much to talk about.

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dae_trist posted:

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reesescups posted:

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You think Taiwan would join China if China and the US went toe to toe? Really, that's what you think?

Is that why I get free BJ's in Taiwan when I say I am an American?

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you mean you get free BJ's from ugly sluts? I never said I was from the PRC.

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dae_trist posted:

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And China could easily wipe America off the face of the earth.

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dae_trist posted:

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The fact that I have several relatives in the ROC army might tell you something.

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dae_trist posted:

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Tell that to the hordes of retards trying to argue with me.

I will state it again, America can do nothing but sit back in a rage while China peacefully overtakes her economically, technologically, financially and scientifically.

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dae_trist posted:

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but I've never seen the attractive ones with a non-Asian.

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reesescups posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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The fact that I have several relatives in the ROC army might tell you something.

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yeah - it tells me that you come from a poor family, poor most likely because your family is historically lazy and ignorant. It also tells me you are severely brainwashed with propaganda out the wazzoooo...

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dae_trist posted:

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The fact that I have several relatives in the ROC

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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reesescups posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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The fact that I have several relatives in the ROC army might tell you something.

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yeah - it tells me that you come from a poor family, poor most likely because your family is historically lazy and ignorant. It also tells me you are severely brainwashed with propaganda out the wazzoooo...

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Chinese hillbilly.

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reesescups posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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The fact that I have several relatives in the ROC army might tell you something.

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yeah - it tells me that you come from a poor family, poor most likely because your family is historically lazy and ignorant. It also tells me you are severely brainwashed with propaganda out the wazzoooo...

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Reesestard posted:

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hahah

You are smoking crack...

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DemonicXH posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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The fact that I have several relatives in the ROC

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Ahhh now it makes sense.



I bet they make a killer General Tso's chicken.

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dae_trist posted:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_wealth

United States (households only) $187,500

Taiwan $183,794 (nominal)

But it's more like $360,000 if we're talking PPP

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dae_trist posted:

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Reesestard posted:

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hahah

You are smoking crack...

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Nope. It's a well-known fact that the uglies go for foreigners (and their bank accounts). Most white guys can't really tell that their Asian girlfriends are ugly.

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reesescups posted:

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Yeah - ok Cheif

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dae_trist posted:

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I don't even know who you are, but I'm assuming you're a butthurt white guy with an ugly "Asian" girlfriend like 90% of the people who have a problem with me

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dae_trist posted:

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Better than trying to compete with Fisted and Blue_arrow's baby in terms of stupidity

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DemonicXH posted:

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No and no.


I actually like poking fun at you because you are so blinded by your bias for China it's almost endearing.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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facts = lies, good English = bad English, truth = bias

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Testerion posted:

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Its funny how biggest reasoning for seeing the China as the debil is the fact they're commies (by name only)

I can see second cold war with Russia more likely than any conflict with China. Good relationships between China and the west benefits both sides way too much...considering how debt ridden USA is and how most of that borrowed money is coming from China, I'd say China is being pretty good friend to USA (though it's not like they don't benefit from USA paying them massive interest for the debt)

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dae_trist posted:

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If you're not too fucking stupid to understand how they differ, then yeah, you'd see how these "biases" favor the American figure and not the Taiwanese. Taiwan doesn't count its forex reserves and includes a lot of debts the US does not. If you use Japan and Taiwan's methods the average white HOUSEHOLD is worth $130,000. You're all a bunch of broke-ass uneducated hillbillies.

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DemonicXH posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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I don't even know who you are, but I'm assuming you're a butthurt white guy with an ugly "Asian" girlfriend like 90% of the people who have a problem with me

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No and no.


I actually like poking fun at you because you are so blinded by your bias for China it's almost endearing.

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random dumb guy posted:

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I don't know how HDI is measured

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Tipztoe posted:

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meanwhile he lives here.

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dae_trist posted:

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Tipztoe posted:

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meanwhile he lives here.

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I live in a lot of places, don't think the street trash of Boston would quite understand.

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dae_trist posted:

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Tipztoe posted:

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meanwhile he lives here.

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I live in a lot of places, don't think the street trash of Boston would quite understand.

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DemonicXH posted:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita


Even though GDP per capita doesn't take in a lot of different factors it's put in a nice chart, because according to you I am an "uneducated hillbilly."


U.S.A.: #15 48,147

Taiwan: #37 21,592

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DemonicXH posted:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita


Even though GDP per capita doesn't take in a lot of different factors it's put in a nice chart, because according to you I am an "uneducated hillbilly."


U.S.A.: #15 48,147

Taiwan: #37 21,592

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Tipztoe posted:

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That's no way to talk about my mom. She works hard for her money. You have to when you have a face that looks like a pile of bricks.

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dae_trist posted:

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Tipztoe posted:

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ROR

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reesescups posted:

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I'm too stupid to tell the difference between wealth and GDP

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dae_trist posted:

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random dumb guy posted:

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I don't know how HDI is measured

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They use GDP and literacy, and considering much of America's GDP is actually damages, it doesn't say much.

Try again?

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dae_trist posted:

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reesescups posted:

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I'm too stupid to tell the difference between wealth and GDP

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http://www.chinatrade.com/blog/china-likely-to-be-second-wealthiest-country-by-2016

According to the report, the average adult's wealth in China has more than tripled, rising from around US$ 6,000 in the year 2000, to US $21,000 in 2011

That's $40,000 PPP, which puts them between developed and developing nations ahead of Brazil, Russia, etc.

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DemonicXH posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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random dumb guy posted:

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I don't know how HDI is measured

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They use GDP and literacy, and considering much of America's GDP is actually damages, it doesn't say much.

Try again?

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No they use GNI, but good try though.


I can see why you would hate those numbers(in millions):


U.S.A.: #1 14,600,828
China: #2 5,700,018

Try again?

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dae_trist posted:

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I can't compete with numbers so I resort to ad hominem replies

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DemonicXH posted:

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Still behind the U.S.

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dae_trist posted:

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reesescups posted:

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I'm too stupid to tell the difference between wealth and GDP

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China likely to be second wealthiest country by 2016

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DemonicXH posted:

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I'm painfully stupid so I use straw men

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reesescups posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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reesescups posted:

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I'm too stupid to tell the difference between wealth and GDP

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[link= http://www.chinatrade.com/blog/china-likely-to-be-second-wealthiest-country-by-2016 ]China likely to be second wealthiest country by 2016[/link]

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Highlighted some words you should focus on there Cheif...

Likely
Second
by 2016

Likely doesn't mean it's gonna happen
Second to none other than yours truly
by 2016, yeah that and some other predictions can well, predictions are like ass hole...

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dae_trist posted:

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I realize you're painfully stupid, but please learn the difference between nominal and PPP.

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dae_trist posted:

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Also, learn how to spell chief.

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DemonicXH posted:

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dae_trist posted:

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I realize you're painfully stupid, but please learn the difference between nominal and PPP.

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To entertain you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita


U.S.A: #7

Taiwan: #18

China: #90

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dae_trist posted:

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DemonicXH posted:

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Still behind the U.S.

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Did I ever say it wasn't? Or did you hallucinate? It's going to take about 8-10 years for China to catch up, but in the meantime the average Chinese person is going to surpass the bottom 85% of Americans (if they haven't already) because America's net worth Gini is so bad. After 2020 China is just going to leave America in the dust. Doesn't change the fact that there's a 999,999 out of 1,000,000 chance that your entire family combined is worth less than I am.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I always find it funny threads like these are almost always exclusively male in terms of participation. Reminds me of nothing so much as a bunch of elementary schoolboys. We used to fight over which Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle was the best in almost exactly the same way.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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I always find it funny threads like these are almost always exclusively male in terms of participation. Reminds me of nothing so much as a bunch of elementary schoolboys. We used to fight over which Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle was the best in almost exactly the same way.

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DemonicXH posted:

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HAHA, so you're argument is "my dick is bigger then yours!"

BUT

You're Asian, so we know you aren't going to win that contest.

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dae_trist posted:

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If I'm not mistaken, Rosaria posted plenty of facts against frothing at the mouth Ameronazis. I'm just stating the facts, and others are posting straw men, ad hominems, "my dad can beat up your dad", etc.

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DemonicXH posted:

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It is, but I was really hoping for a dae_twat meltdown.

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DemonicXH posted:

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Are you high?


You have tried to say that you have more money then two people in this thread alone. Meanwhile I just keep posting stats from Wikipedia.



Wow.

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dae_trist posted:

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Doesn't change the fact that there's a 999,999 out of 1,000,000 chance that your entire family combined is worth less than I am.

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dae_trist posted:

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DemonicXH posted:

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It is, but I was really hoping for a dae_twat meltdown.

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Yeah, instead you melted down yourself

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Allstarslacker posted:

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From now on I'm going to imagine dae_twat sounds like this guy:

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Allstarretard posted:

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When push comes to shove:

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reesescups posted:

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cheap bastards..

It pays good...

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Rikarus posted:

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EPEEN!!!!!!

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dae_trist posted:

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reesescups posted:

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cheap bastards..

It pays good...

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Proven retard. My family could bury you with their money long before your dad squirted you up his sister's vagina.

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dae_trist posted:

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Rikarus posted:

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EPEEN!!!!!!

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From reeses. Facts from me.

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reesescups posted:

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Anyway - American companies pay me good money

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reesescups posted:

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beg for it like my sister does...

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dae_trist posted:

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reesescups posted:

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Anyway - American companies pay me good money

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you work for other people and you're bragging

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Allstarslacker posted:

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Is that why stuff from China is so cheap?

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