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Seems a Iranian "suicide boat" made a speed run at the USS Abraham Lincoln..
I bet Aer, Imaloon and Ill all think it was Israel!
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Do you have a link? If not, how reliable is your source?
I have heard of no 'runs' at our ships, so far their attack craft is just shadowing ours in close proximity.
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What stupid sonofabitch attacks an air craft carrier in a speed boat? Tora Tora Tora! Anyone could be framed for this incident. Were they flying their colors?
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Do you have a link? If not, how reliable is your source?
I have heard of no 'runs' at our ships, so far their attack craft is just shadowing ours in close proximity.
It was on NBC ( TV ) this morning. Wife was watching the today show and they went to a news reporter that was on the carrier. He stated " The boat made a speed run at us , then suddenly veered off".
Here is the video link..
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/46379720#null
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/
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FOXNEWS, the official sponsor of all wars against brown people mentions nothing of this.
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Not sure why you would be excited. This is terrible news.
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Kamdar posted:
" The boat made a speed run at us , then suddenly veered off".
That's a pretty normal level of provocation in a theater like that. If they get too close, they get shot. If not, they move away. That's not war, that's force protection.
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After the Cole I'm surprised the small boat got away.
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I doubt we want to fire the first shot.
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Not to mention the sticky bombs placed on the vehicles of at least three Israeli diplomats, as well as possible connections to the bombs this morning in Bangkok, as witnesses are saying at least one Iranian national was involved.
What the hell is going on here??
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There is NO FKING WAY a speed boat is getting withing 500 yards of ANY of our ships. Don't let the news confuse. And don't let a confused news dude confuse.
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Saying an Iranian national is involved doesnt count for much. Do you know how many screw-loose maniacs we have that are US citizens? How can you hold an entire country responsible for the act of a few stoonads. Now if they are discovered to be covert ops, then maybe we have a different story.
How would you start a war?
Definitely make it look like the other guy started it.
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This happens all the time. I guess the news is just pounding the war drums and morons are eating it up.
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Eternal_Midnight posted:
Not to mention the sticky bombs placed on the vehicles of at least three Israeli diplomats, as well as possible connections to the bombs this morning in Bangkok, as witnesses are saying at least one Iranian national was involved.
What the hell is going on here??
A musical answer to your question...
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ZigmundZag posted:
Kamdar posted:
" The boat made a speed run at us , then suddenly veered off".
That's a pretty normal level of provocation in a theater like that. If they get too close, they get shot. If not, they move away. That's not war, that's force protection.
During the Cold War years, MiGs used to come out and shadow our recon aircraft.
Didn't mean we were going to war.
However, and with that said, Russians are not religious wackos and we all know you can bet the farm that religious wackos (of all kinds) won't make decisions based upon common sense or logic.
In other words.............
WAR!
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Lol why is our warship circling their country in the first place? If iran had a such a warship so near our shore then all hell woukd break loose.
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Lol why is our warship circling their country in the first place? If iran had a such a warship so near our shore then all hell woukd break loose.
Homey don't play like that...
We play by a different set of rules. This is because we are that bad ass, awesome and because we can!
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Because we are the good guys, duh.
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You can't circle Iran with a warship...
The Strait of Hormuz is a major shipping route. It is patrolled fairly often.
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We're like those bullies that stick their hand in front of someones face and say "im not touching you".. Then when the person is fed up and moves our hand, we hit them and make a big fuss about it and go cry about it.
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We've had a presence in that area for decades.
It's more like Iran getting mad and wanting to take their ball home. Except the biggest kid on the playground wants to keep playing, and already doesn't like them very much.
They're either gonna keep playing and keep their ball, or they can go home and we'll keep their ball.
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The Straits of Hormuz are international waters, a primary trading partner conduit and some of our key allies border it. There is nothing wrong with us patrolling it. Not to mention pirates frequent the Straits as was seen by the US warships aiding an Iranian boat not 6 weeks ago.
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I disagree with the sentiment that a small craft couldn't get that close.
But I also disagree with the sentiment that this was an act of war.
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It's definitely not an act of war.
It would be stupid to treat it as such. Even if it were a justification for war, which it's not, it wouldn't be in our interest to pursue it.
Unless the Iranians do something overtly hostile that poses a major threat we should leave them alone and let them languish under sanctions.
We don't have anything to gain going to war.
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How long before the CIA fabricates another one of these so that we have an excuse to bomb?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
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We don't have anything to gain going to war.
We don't.
The MI complex does.
And it's been shown in recent years that what the MI complex wants, it gets - no matter what the populace thinks.
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I don't think so in this case, or we'd be at war already.
There are a lot of big money players that have interests with this conflict. Not all of them stand to gain by going to war.
Our entanglement with China makes dealing with Iran and Syria very difficult. Unless Iran or Israel does something major I don't see us going to war.
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I don't think so in this case, or we'd be at war already.
There are a lot of big money players that have interests with this conflict. Not all of them stand to gain by going to war.
Our entanglement with China makes dealing with Iran and Syria very difficult. Unless Iran or Israel does something major I don't see us going to war.
They had the same entanglements in Iraq and Afghanistan as well and only reaped huge oil and mineral contracts out of the deal....
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No, not really. Iraq and Afghanistan were both expendable. No one depended on them for anything that wouldn't become cheaper and more available with them out of the way.
China and Iran have a good relationship which is very beneficial for China. China will want to protect Iran for their own sake, and we don't want to sour relations with them.
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Corky_Aloof posted:
FOXNEWS, the official sponsor of all wars against brown people mentions nothing of this.
RONG
They were talking about it yesterday saying that there was evidence that Iran was planning suicide speed boat attacks against our navy in the area.
False
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I find it interesting that people are ignoring the fact that this happens every time a ship goes through the straights. FFS they have ancient planes flying overhead and small boats making approaches. Why are people giving a crap now.
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British reporter on board: Iranian patrol boat passed within half a mile of us as we moved through the narrowest spot in the channel. (link)
US news agencies: IT CAME STRAIGHT AT US!!! WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR!!!!
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I disagree with the sentiment that a small craft couldn't get that close.
But I also disagree with the sentiment that this was an act of war.
I don't see how it's possible. Every carrier has a network of support craft providing perimeter security. Every one of those ships has computerized radar systems that work. A missile traveling at mach 1.5 is detected, even inches from the water, targeted and fired upon faster than it can get close.
Years back, Cheney pushed a "news" story about a similar incident.
Ah, found it.
Infowars of course... Seems like the only place left that has real news archives.
Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh revealed how the neocons convened around Dick Cheney and brainstormed ways to kick off World War IV.
“There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war,†Hersh explained. “The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.â€
Here is Hersh's link.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all
Here is an interview describing the last event in 08 that was being media played like this one today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2K35j51_eM
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Huges07.1 posted:
Corky_Aloof posted:
FOXNEWS, the official sponsor of all wars against brown people mentions nothing of this.
RONG
They were talking about it yesterday saying that there was evidence that Iran was planning suicide speed boat attacks against our navy in the area.
False
boom
See how that works? That's a very calculating media control grid and a very managed public consumer of their social engineering.
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We're like those bullies that stick their hand in front of someones face and say "im not touching you".. Then when the person is fed up and moves our hand, we hit them and make a big fuss about it and go cry about it.
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illmyrin posted:
imaloon1 posted:
I disagree with the sentiment that a small craft couldn't get that close.
But I also disagree with the sentiment that this was an act of war.
I don't see how it's possible. Every carrier has a network of support craft providing perimeter security. Every one of those ships has computerized radar systems that work. A missile traveling at mach 1.5 is detected, even inches from the water, targeted and fired upon faster than it can get close.
Years back, Cheney pushed a "news" story about a similar incident.
Ah, found it.
Infowars of course... Seems like the only place left that has real news archives.
Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh revealed how the neocons convened around Dick Cheney and brainstormed ways to kick off World War IV.
“There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war,†Hersh explained. “The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.â€
Here is Hersh's link.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all
Here is an interview describing the last event in 08 that was being media played like this one today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2K35j51_eM
I'm not speaking from the position of information exchange but from the position of wargames exercises that were performed I think right after 9/11 when the navy did it's preparedness drills in the region and they gave control of the insurgency to one of our generals and they used speedboats laden with explosives and used the mosques as communication vehicles and were able to cripple the fifth fleet losing one if not two flag carriers of the group in the drills.
I know you remember what I'm talking about, that's all I was meaning is that it IS possible however unlikely it would be.
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Lol why is our warship circling their country in the first place? If iran had a such a warship so near our shore then all hell woukd break loose.
Uh, it's the Strait of Hormuz dude. You can't enter the Persian Gulf without going through it.
B_Shinkicker posted:
How long before the CIA fabricates another one of these so that we have an excuse to bomb?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
If we really wanted to don't you think it would have happened during the 8 years illmyrin was here bleating about it every week?
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Are you seriously at that level of denial as to think that we didn't in our quest to get into Iraq and Afghanistan?
You seriously cannot be that willfully ignorant.
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I'm not speaking from the position of information exchange but from the position of wargames exercises that were performed I think right after 9/11 when the navy did it's preparedness drills in the region and they gave control of the insurgency to one of our generals and they used speedboats laden with explosives and used the mosques as communication vehicles and were able to cripple the fifth fleet losing one if not two flag carriers of the group in the drills.
I know you remember what I'm talking about, that's all I was meaning is that it IS possible however unlikely it would be.
I remember Iranian wargames a few years back. Iran has SS-N-22 Sunburn missiles galore. Mach 2.7. Our automated ship defenses have a 10% hit rate against incoming antiship missiles traveling 2.1. If our navy drilled a confrontation against that they wouldn't worry much about a speed boat. There is a reason why you never heard about Japanese suicide boaters.
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Iran War is ON!!
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illmyrin posted:
imaloon1 posted:
I disagree with the sentiment that a small craft couldn't get that close.
But I also disagree with the sentiment that this was an act of war.
I don't see how it's possible. Every carrier has a network of support craft providing perimeter security. Every one of those ships has computerized radar systems that work. A missile traveling at mach 1.5 is detected, even inches from the water, targeted and fired upon faster than it can get close.
Don't mean to disagree with you, but missiles cannot be seen inches from the waves by radar. They cannot distinguish between the wave tops and a missle. There is usually a minimum height for radar to operate functionally.
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