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that's what dr. william langston just said.
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and yet thru the ever evolving ignorance of the repubs we need less environmental protection and less regulation on companies dumping this crap all over the place.
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and yet thru the ever evolving ignorance of the repubs we need less environmental protection and less regulation on companies dumping this crap all over the place.
What does that have to do with driving whole farming communities out of business because of things like a tiny fish? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps we don't want dangerous chemicals in the environment either but there are over reactions?
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republicans are usually ignorant about science. they say things like tiny fish, as if the size of the fish had anything to do with its importance in the ecosystem. rofl.
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and yet thru the ever evolving ignorance of the repubs we need less environmental protection and less regulation on companies dumping this crap all over the place.
The problem with the EPA is that they don't seem to understand the larger scope of their jobs. Instead of making sure people don't put drums filled with chemical sludge into our waterways, they go around to small farms and tell them that their fence has to be torn down because the wildlife can't get to the pond.... BUT THE POND IS MAN MADE AND THE FENCE WAS THERE FIRST!
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Jezza_Belle posted:
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and yet thru the ever evolving ignorance of the repubs we need less environmental protection and less regulation on companies dumping this crap all over the place.
The problem with the EPA is that they don't seem to understand the larger scope of their jobs. Instead of making sure people don't put drums filled with chemical sludge into our waterways, they go around to small farms and tell them that their fence has to be torn down because the wildlife can't get to the pond.... BUT THE POND IS MAN MADE AND THE FENCE WAS THERE FIRST!
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Jezza_Belle posted:
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and yet thru the ever evolving ignorance of the repubs we need less environmental protection and less regulation on companies dumping this crap all over the place.
The problem with the EPA is that they don't seem to understand the larger scope of their jobs. Instead of making sure people don't put drums filled with chemical sludge into our waterways, they go around to small farms and tell them that their fence has to be torn down because the wildlife can't get to the pond.... BUT THE POND IS MAN MADE AND THE FENCE WAS THERE FIRST!
Yeah, the true crime is the same is it always is... politics and common sense do not overlap.
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The EPA is putting the country out of business, for example it is almost impossible to build stuff now that cleans the environment, like geothermal power or a sewage treatment plant.
It was the set up that they get to keep part of the fines for their respective salaries that screws things up, now rather then find a solution they want to fine (make up) problems so they have job security.
Next up, road potholes being declared a wetland. It has gotten that ridiculous for example they call puddles on wet rocks, (fresh lava flow) as a wetland, I got into a big argument when I said you mean we rocks, they said same thing too bad, you owe us money.
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republicans are usually ignorant about science. they say things like tiny fish, as if the size of the fish had anything to do with its importance in the ecosystem. rofl.
Species come and go as ecosystems morph. rofl.
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yay capitalism!
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republicans are usually ignorant about science. they say things like tiny fish, as if the size of the fish had anything to do with its importance in the ecosystem. rofl.
Species come and go as ecosystems morph. rofl.
So we don't stop until we've killed off everything else and most/all of ourselves?
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Aerlinthian posted:
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republicans are usually ignorant about science. they say things like tiny fish, as if the size of the fish had anything to do with its importance in the ecosystem. rofl.
Species come and go as ecosystems morph. rofl.
species come and go. how insightful. we should all listen to the brilliant republican who understands ecosystems.
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HeartView posted:
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Species come and go as ecosystems morph. rofl.
So we don't stop until we've killed off everything else and most/all of ourselves?
No but that falls in line with my point about extremes. Believe me, I am totally on board with the concerns about chemical toxins and others. But choking off farm land over any thing isn't working either.
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If you want to start with a real sustainable development plan, the only way is to limit population growth to zero.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLCRAP.
I have the credentials to make this assertion.
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species come and go. how insightful. we should all listen to the brilliant republican who understands ecosystems.
Never been a Republican yet. Or a Democrat.
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if aerlinthian keeps changing the subject, he might make it out of topics he can't google and can't talk about and into ones he can. like.... conspiracies?
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The Wall Street Journal’s Max Boot has referred to this CWA-EPA-Army Corps axis as “The Wetlands Gestapo†for very good reason. In every state of the union, small landowners have faced bureaucratic nightmares when some federal or state agent suddenly showed up and said their property contained protected wetlands -- whether wet or dry. And typically these landowners have entered no-exit mazes of bureaucratic red tape running on for years and years, and even decades, of extremely costly permit-seeking and legal proceedings, vainly seeking to exhaust all available “administrative remedies†so that their cases might become ripe for seeking takings compensation. Meanwhile, they were paying taxes on land they could not use.
The best example of the naked power behind the CWA surfaced in Maine, where Gaston Roberge owned a 2.8-acre commercial lot which he had allowed the town to use to dump fill. When he tried to sell it for his retirement the Corps charged him with having an illegally filled wetland. In the subsequent legal discovery process, an internal Corps memo was located recommending “Roberge would be a good one to squash and set an example†in order to create a climate of fear among landowners and developers.
While most victims suffer “only†substantial monetary losses and the loss of the use of their land, others have fared far worse. James Wilson, a Maryland developer, created some wildlife ponds on his land and was found guilty of violating the CWA and sentenced to 21 months in federal prison and fined $4 million. In Florida, Ocie Mills and his son each spent 21 months in prison for filling a dry ditch with clean building sand in order to construct the son’s personal home.
Perhaps the most notorious case was that of John Pozsgai who had escaped Communist Hungary in 1956 to live in the land of the free. He purchased property in Pennsylvania for a home and to build a truck repair shop. He cleaned up part of the land and a storm-water drainage ditch, removing an illegal dump containing more than 5,000 old tires. The tire-filled ditch had flooded during heavy rains. Yet the Feds considered it a stream, declared the dump removal a CWA violation, and Mr. Pozsgai was fined and imprisoned, serving one and a half years in federal prison, another year and a half in a “halfway house,†and then five years of supervised probation. The family was forced into bankruptcy and his daughter is still vainly attempting to gain Mr. Pozsgai a presidential pardon.
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how did we get here, my title says humans. nobody wants to talk about chemicals linked to disease after disease?
i would like to know specifically how those people got sent to jail. that article doesn't seem to like crucial details... source, hyper?
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I can tell you a personal story, where an agency refused to review my permit application even after I got clearance from the Corps of Engineers, and then sent their own inspectors three per day, and asked the Corps to personally fine me 15k per day, which they refused since they already would have approved my permit excepting for the one agency that refused to do their job and review it.
I think I pushed them over the edge when I asked for the pics from their inspectors, since we couldn't afford to send one out there everyday.
I was replacing an existing boat ramps and all the environmental stuff that would have been required was on the plans and put in place.
The issue wasn't pollution the issue was generating the fine.
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Aerlinthian posted:
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republicans are usually ignorant about science. they say things like tiny fish, as if the size of the fish had anything to do with its importance in the ecosystem. rofl.
Species come and go as ecosystems morph. rofl.
Any other brilliant thoughts you can provide?
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This thread makes me go ugh....
Speaking of which, I have an interview for a job with an environmental engineering firm tomorrow. Wish meh luck.
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This thread makes me go ugh....
Speaking of which, I have an interview for a job with an environmental engineering firm tomorrow. Wish meh luck.
good luck, make me proud. i hate interviews so much. i think once i get a job ill start doing them with no intention of getting the job just to practice. i might even go off the deep end and rant about their bad interview heuristics which are really just an excuse to be judgmental about a person you don't know. wait, real life isn't acf. nevermind.
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Aerlinthian posted:
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republicans are usually ignorant about science. they say things like tiny fish, as if the size of the fish had anything to do with its importance in the ecosystem. rofl.
Species come and go as ecosystems morph. rofl.
Yup, and we have zero to do with it.
You can trust Aerlinthian, he's been pretending to be smart for a long time.
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there are 70,000 chemicals introduced into the environment
Please use complete phrases next time so we can properly respond
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grammar hard
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