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I think id rather hit my kids than give them mood altering drugs.
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Some parents can control themselves when spanking their kids and its probably useful. Other parents go out of control and do it when angry and do it way too often. For this reason I dont know if spanking is really good parenting. I know it harmed me growing up.
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How many kids do you know on mood altering drugs? In your personal experience how have you seen them act? How happy do they seem?
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So youd rather medicate your kids?
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How many kids do you know on mood altering drugs? In your personal experience how have you seen them act? How happy do they seem?
Im watching "medicated child" on netflix and am thinking about the kind of choice id make. Generally i dont even take drigs (cough med, tylenol, anything) even when a dr prescribes them for me.
Some parents tell their pediatrician the kid is acting out, either they are referred to a psychiatrist to get drugs long term or the pediatrician prescribes drugs.
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Medicating your kids is just as bad or worse. I think that hitting your kids or medicating them to get them to behave is the approach used by lazy, stupid parents who dont really know how to raise kids
I watched that SUper Nanny show and most of the time she can get the kids to behave without hitting them, verbally abusing them, or medicating them. She is smart and knows how to raise kids.
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So youd rather medicate your kids?
So you are merely repeating someone elses talking point rather than basing your opinion on even a tiny amount of actual experience?
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How about C....don't let your kids be stupid pricks on or off drugs.
You know, if you really make them believe that you will kill them before you let them make asses of themselves....they tend not to be total idiots.
Most of the time.
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Ive never seen those drugs work - even with adults. Every person i know on anti depressants seems f'd up in some way.
Its possible there are some on them and they seem so great that as far as i know theyre not medicated..so im not ruling it out for all people.
I just know in my experience - if you see a Dr - 99 times out of a 100 the solution youre given is a prescription for drugs. I was diagnosed with anxiety disorder and asthma until i found a dr that figured out i had an allergy to certain foods. Ive cut out the foods and my life has changed. Im glad i never bought the simple diagnosis from most doctors i saw and refused their drugs. That may have quieted my allergy symptoms but they wouldve come at a cost to my health and pocketbook.
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Back when antibiotics were introduced people used to take them for everything including tons of stuff that antibiotics couldn't actually treat. The fact that antibiotics were over prescribed and incorrectly prescribed doesn't mean that they aren't wildly effective for treating some things.
Some kids actually need medication. Their lives are much better because of it.
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Fixing your problems removes a potential long term income stream.
Exacerbating your problems insures that summer house in the Hamptons.
Not being snarky here. Honestly, would you throw away a potential decades long income stream just to help some asshole you never met ...before he paid 250 bucks to talk to you for 5 minutes?
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Ive never seen those drugs work - even with adults. Every person i know on anti depressants seems f'd up in some way.
Its possible there are some on them and they seem so great that as far as i know theyre not medicated..so im not ruling it out for all people.
I just know in my experience - if you see a Dr - 99 times out of a 100 the solution youre given is a prescription for drugs. I was diagnosed with anxiety disorder and asthma until i found a dr that figured out i had an allergy to certain foods. Ive cut out the foods and my life has changed. Im glad i never bought the simple diagnosis from most doctors i saw and refused their drugs. That may have quieted my allergy symptoms but they wouldve come at a cost to my health and pocketbook.
So your anecdotal experience is someone misdiagnosing you and you seeing people on medication being f-ed up?
Yeah, cause when I'm at the pharmacy, the only people I see buying cough medicine have coughs! God you're dumb.
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do you get to strike other adults or adults you're related to when they do something stupid? The answer is no, because that would be assault.
Striking a child for whatever reason is assault, you can justify it all you want but you as an adult you do not have a right to assault your child no more then you have the right to strike a stranger, they have the same lawful rights as you do if not more since they can't defend themselves.. It also teaches your child that using violence is okay if someone does something you do not like, and I do not mean self defense.
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He asked for my anecdotal experience and i gave it.
Look at ptilks comment.
And im sure if youve ever seen a dr, you will echo this experience
- wait in waiting room
- see dr , describe problem in 30 seconds
- get a quick look over
- dr walks out and back in with prescription
Done in about 10 minutes
Seems more like drug mills than healthcare.
Its the rare dr (and ive had it) that will try to "root cause" your problem, rather than give you meds until the problem goes away.
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You dont even hit your pets. I bet you that parents who regularly spank their kids would be appalled at someone hitting a pet to get it to behave
Drug mill is right
When I got my drugs for my depression here was what happened
Talked to a primary care doctor
He had me talk to a medical student studying in school to be a shrink
She basically asked me about 10 questions
At the end of it I got drugs and I took them for a year
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do you get to strike other adults or adults you're related to when they do something stupid? The answer is no, because that would be assault.
Striking a child for whatever reason is assault, you can justify it all you want but you as an adult you do not have a right to assault your child no more then you have the right to strike a stranger, they have the same lawful rights as you do if not more since they can't defend themselves.. It also teaches your child that using violence is okay if someone does something you do not like, and I do not mean self defense.
I was hit and hated it but i gave you two choices... In hindsight im glad my parents couldnt afford to take me to a dr whenever i challenged them. Id be classified as 'defiant' in todays lingo.
Your kid is out of control and ralking hasnt worked.
Hitting and shaming them works - tried and true method
Drugs work - their mood will change but long term thy might have to stay on drugs forever and will have to deal with the side effects with other meds
You can choose either one.
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Not all kida are the same. No one method works for everyone. Some kids have special needs. Drugs can be used effectively in select cases.
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You dont even hit your pets. I bet you that parents who regularly spank their kids would be appalled at someone hitting a pet to get it to behave
Drug mill is right
When I got my drugs for my depression here was what happened
Talked to a primary care doctor
He had me talk to a medical student studying in school to be a shrink
She basically asked me about 10 questions
At the end of it I got drugs and I took them for a year
You will get that same experience for anything
Acne- drugs
Back ache- drugs
Phlegm in back of throat-drugs
Any symptom - drugs.
Its a bit far fetched. Sometimes they should try treating the cause rather than the symptoms.
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I was actually shocked at the system. I was shocked too that the state doesnt fund mental health doctors at all. If you are low income or on welfare the only mental health doctors you can get are primarty care physicians or students like I got.
All they do then is give you the drug that is their recent drug of choice. The reason I got that drug was because I think the drug company made them a special deal for it. The system is corrupt too
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Every person i know on anti depressants seems f'd up in some way.
Duh.
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Its possible there are some on them and they seem so great that as far as i know theyre not medicated..so im not ruling it out for all people.
For the most part they don't make people great. When correctly prescribed they make people better than they otherwise would have been.
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I just know in my experience - if you see a Dr - 99 times out of a 100 the solution youre given is a prescription for drugs. I was diagnosed with anxiety disorder and asthma until i found a dr that figured out i had an allergy to certain foods. Ive cut out the foods and my life has changed. Im glad i never bought the simple diagnosis from most doctors i saw and refused their drugs. That may have quieted my allergy symptoms but they wouldve come at a cost to my health and pocketbook.
The fact that you don't have an actual disorder doesn't mean other people don't. Do you think people with schizophrenia maybe just have a food allergy? Do you think they would be better off if they just sucked it up and stopped being babies about it?
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Its assault?! LOL your an idiot mamagram. Seriously. Is that why your so angry? Your mad that your mum and your daddy spanked you and now your angry at the world? It all makes sense now.
Spanking your kids is assault? Wow. Thats hillarious
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I never ruled drugs out for everybody so your comment is a bit pointless.
If your kid misbehaves and you tell his pediatrician about it, then you will get help in the form of a prescription and not a "super nanny".
That's the scenario i am laying out. Apparently youd choose the xanax and atypical anti-psychotics.
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do you get to strike other adults or adults you're related to when they do something stupid? The answer is no, because that would be assault.
Striking a child for whatever reason is assault, you can justify it all you want but you as an adult you do not have a right to assault your child no more then you have the right to strike a stranger, they have the same lawful rights as you do if not more since they can't defend themselves.. It also teaches your child that using violence is okay if someone does something you do not like, and I do not mean self defense.
I was hit and hated it but i gave you two choices... In hindsight im glad my parents couldnt afford to take me to a dr whenever i challenged them. Id be classified as 'defiant' in todays lingo.
Your kid is out of control and ralking hasnt worked.
Hitting and shaming them works - tried and true method
Drugs work - their mood will change but long term thy might have to stay on drugs forever and will have to deal with the side effects with other meds
You can choose either one.
My parents just restrained me and told me that enough was enough, and that I should behave.
I turned out more then alright.. My brother is working on his PHD so he must also function properly and he's about to become a dad himself.
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I guess people forgot that kids have energy, like to act out and do things that are "childish". What the hell is wrong with people. Were you never a kid? You never did stupid things that adults looked at you and just said why did you do that? Its called learning, growing up. Its part of being a child. Why the hell would you medicate them for being normal and then force the into a drug induced "normal". Its idiocy. Growing up getting spanked is partially how you learn. Society these days are just way to sissyfied. I mean cmon. This thread is ridiculous.
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Its assault?! LOL your an idiot mamagram. Seriously. Is that why your so angry? Your mad that your mum and your daddy spanked you and now your angry at the world? It all makes sense now.
Spanking your kids is assault? Wow. Thats hillarious
Angry? It's just as illegal to strike a child in Sweden as it is to strike an adult.. My parents never raise a hand against me, you're a ex-drug fiend.. I'm a scholar and a gentleman with a solid job and a clean sheet.
If I spanked your wife and she liked it but then pressed charges I'd still go in for assault/battery..
A child has the right not to be harmed if you fail at disciplining your child and you have to resort to violence you're basically a failure as a human being and you're teaching your child that violence is okay and a preferred option to solve relationship issues.
edit: actually I have no idea if Jesus was into spanking children..
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I guess people forgot that kids have energy, like to act out and do things that are "childish". What the hell is wrong with people. Were you never a kid? You never did stupid things that adults looked at you and just said why did you do that? Its called learning, growing up. Its part of being a child. Why the hell would you medicate them for being normal and then force the into a drug induced "normal". Its idiocy. Growing up getting spanked is partially how you learn. Society these days are just way to sissyfied. I mean cmon. This thread is ridiculous.
Growing up under physical punishment is something children of uncivilized plebeians do, they then in turn justify their violence against children as a form of discipline when it's really just an act of anger and borderline sadism.. I never needed to be spanked, I listened to my parents because they could use their grown up words and make me understand what I did wrong and had no need to hurt me physically, they were not inept shitty parents.. Nor did I need any drugs either..
It's illegal to harm another person, what makes a child less of a person?
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Dont lie mammogram you know your parents squeezed your arms and yelled in your face and you cried like a girl and listened. You were just too frail and girl like to be spanked. They probably felt sorry for you. But it does make sense. Your all angry at anyone you disagree with. Its pretty interesting. You were "restrained" and yelled at. Damn, must have been so hard for you as a child. lol what a sissy. Is that what they did when you didn't do your chores? Or didnt take out the trash? Maybe you forgot to clean your room or put the toilet seat down and you were restrained and yelled at and you would break down crying and when you were done sobbing you were a reformed child lol. Or did they drug you and "restrain" you lol
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That restraint is considered domestic violence if you did that to your girlfriend or wife.
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That restraint is considered domestic violence if you did that to your girlfriend or wife.
Yep if you hold a woman when she is fighing with you that is a crime and you might go to jail for it.
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Now wonder why your such an arrogant prick as a grown up. lol it all makes sense. You just need a good ass beating is all. That'll take you down a notch or two.
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He probably turned out better than you Mascara
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And yes it is a crime. It can also be called false imprisonment and/or assault. In america you just have to take it being a guy and leave. Kinda sucks.
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Manhandling a kid is no different than smacking them..youre showing them power is everything. The manhandling might be even worse because it lasts longer than a 1 second sting, it might be 30 seconds or more of dominance.
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I never had to hit my kids.
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I dont really care if he did or not. It doesn't impress me. The dudes on prick. Being a scholar and or a gentlemen (in his own mind) doesn't fix that. Hes still a vagina.
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You are why people shouldnt spank their kids Mascara
You can raise great kids without ever hitting them.
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Dont lie mammogram you know your parents squeezed your arms and yelled in your face and you cried like a girl and listened. You were just too frail and girl like to be spanked. They probably felt sorry for you. But it does make sense. Your all angry at anyone you disagree with. Its pretty interesting. You were "restrained" and yelled at. Damn, must have been so hard for you as a child. lol what a sissy. Is that what they did when you didn't do your chores? Or didnt take out the trash? Maybe you forgot to clean your room or put the toilet seat down and you were restrained and yelled at and you would break down crying and when you were done sobbing you were a reformed child lol. Or did they drug you and "restrain" you lol
Ofc I listened they are my parents.. ofc I cried that's what children do, my life has been very easy.. Never had to want for anything, was a very happy childhood in a big house with a big lawn lots of friends and family near by. Skiing and traveling to warmer lands during the winter, during the summers we'd drive down to the country house in the South of Sweden.. Big house with a lot of cousins and their families who had property nearby. A lake to fish in I also learned how to fish there and my dad taught me how to shoot.
You seem very angry about this, are you getting some sick pleasure from spanking your daughters? I hear therapy is good to help with that. Or did your parents simply don't care about you or did they harm you? You seem like a waste of space, all that suppressed anger and hatred that your children has to suffer through the back of your hand. It's a weakness you know, a sign of incompetence on your part as a parent.. You're just a drug fiend and a failure. 
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Kids have a lot of variety... Some are more docile than others. Some more imaginative, some have more energy.
Its possible yours were just lower energy.
Theyre just like pets in that regard. Standard human variety.
Being high energy doesnt mean they are hyper active and must have drugs though or that they need to be hit.
A more imaginative child though might make big lies, have imaginary best friends, etc... Doesnt mean they are mentally ill.
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Your right. Just point a finger at them and be very nice n polite. Did you tell em to go stare at the corner of the wall too? How about time out? lol idiots. You guys are such sissys
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I dont really care if he did or not. It doesn't impress me. The dudes on prick. Being a scholar and or a gentlemen (in his own mind) doesn't fix that. Hes still a vagina.
You're really thin skinned, well weaklings often are.
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Parents who spank lack imagination and only really do it because they themselves were spanked. They need to all take parenting classes and make a break from their violent past
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Now we know what Mascara does to feel like a man, nothing like smacking a helpless child around to feel big and strong.. pathetic.
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Your right. Just point a finger at them and be very nice n polite. Did you tell em to go stare at the corner of the wall too? How about time out? lol idiots. You guys are such sissys
Being forced to stare at a wall is a pretty harsh punishment. Every kid doesnt respond to being spanked. A very proud kid will stand up and say 'hit me again, i dont care' but will not want to be in a position where they are helpless. Stuck in the room, no moving, etc.. For a proud and defiant child, a mental punishment is probably more demeaning than a physical one.
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lol you guys are hella funny. Mammogram you mistake my sarcasm for anger. lol its a very funny thing to watch. If only you guys could see me laughing at you. Seriously. Replying to this thread has gotten me some looks while stopped at the stop light. As I'm actually laughing at you, people looking at me like wtf lol.
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IT'S NOT ME IT'S EVERYONE ELSE!! IT'S ALWAYS EVERYONE ELSE!! 
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different kids = different ways to discipline
It's not that difficult to understand. And popping a kid on the butt to get their attention is no big deal. lol the no-whipping club likes to act like everyone spanking a kid is getting Gitmo treatments or worse.
Some kids need, and will continue to need drugs their entire lives. It does seem the en vogue thing right now so there's probably overreaching on prescribing it.
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lol you guys are hella funny. Mammogram you mistake my sarcasm for anger. lol its a very funny thing to watch. If only you guys could see me laughing at you. Seriously. Replying to this thread has gotten me some looks while stopped at the stop light. As I'm actually laughing at you, people looking at me like wtf lol.
You repeat how funny it is over and over like you're trying to convince yourself, shows a high level of agitation and aggression..
Mascara, you're pathetic.. You see it as your right to harm those you love because you can't reason with them at the level of a actual civilized adult instead you lash out in anger because it's the only way you can deal your ineptitude is not an excuse to harm a child, you just keep on looking more and more like a sleazeball to me.
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No, I have never had to hit my kids.
No, I have never given my kids medication to "fix" them.
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What I have learned from this thread is that Outposters are angry, argumentive assclowns who should not breed.  
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I agree steven. Long time no see btw. I havent seen you for a few years.
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lol corky
Right you are
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What I have learned from this thread is that Outposters are angry, argumentive assclowns who should not breed.
It took you until THIS THREAD to figure this out???
Christ on a crutch...
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Hitting your kid is not an option. Medication is. Even if you are generally against medication sometimes it is needed.
If your kid really needs medication and you hit them instead let me know so I can perchfu your punk ass.
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