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Now the city wants to build a new stadium to get another NBA team
Stupid people in charge here
Also I blame that idiot who runs starbucks for selling them too
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There are always politics involved. I can point to a handful of politicians on the Colliseum commission who have pooh poohed stadiums in Los Angeles needed to lure an NFL team. They are getting greased.
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tax money shouldn;t be used to build stadiums for billionaires.
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Standing on principles in the face of reality results in no sports team for Seattle.
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so what?
billionaires dont need handouts. Thats the reality.
If they stopped recieving hand outs, then they would build their own stadiums.
But they know eventually somewhere some dumb schmuck will give them hundreds of millions of dollars, they could have afforded themselves.
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tax money shouldn;t be used to build stadiums for billionaires.
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Standing on principles gets you no professional sports teams
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I would pay more taxes, so other people can get rich. Im just cool like that.
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A professional sport team is something every major US city needs.
Its good for the community
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you have the seahawks, and the mariners.
that is not an issue.
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tax money shouldn;t be used to build stadiums for billionaires.
The billionaires keep their teams even after they move to another city. It's the citizens of Seattle that lost their team.
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There is no professional hockey team here either!
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tax money shouldn;t be used to build stadiums for billionaires.
The billionaires keep their teams even after they move to another city. It's the citizens of Seattle that lost their team.
it was never their team.
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Cities should own teams. look at Green Bay-why not?
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If you don't think fans have teams then you've never been a fan.
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Cities should own teams. look at Green Bay-why not?
I'm not opposed to that. The major sports leagues are planned monopolies. Free market principles don't apply in a monopoly so most of the benefits of the free market simply aren't there. We could probably cut the ticket cost by 50% just by cutting player and executive salaries.
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Cities should own teams. look at Green Bay-why not?
I like the idea of that but it would kill small market teams. So ultimately I'd have to be against it.
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Cities should own teams. look at Green Bay-why not?
I like the idea of that but it would kill small market teams. So ultimately I'd have to be against it.
I'm curious why you think the economics of small market teams would change if the ownership switched from private to public?
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If it wasn't in the cities best interest to have a sports team then none of them would pay for stadiums, but it is so they do. I see nothing wrong with sports teams extorting cities in to doing what they are clearly willing to do but don't want to if they can get away with it.
The Seattle government was short sighted and now they realize their mistake; the fact that they are so quickly willing to build a stadium for a hypothetical team proves the value of having as many sports teams as you can get in your town.
Half the teams in the NFL have a stadium predicated on the threat of moving the team to Las Angeles. Part of the reason LA doesn't have a football team is the lucrative stadium building capital it gives the owners.
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In my mind it's like paying for museums and parks and public art work and public landscaping. They make a city more enjoyable to live in.
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Cities should own teams. look at Green Bay-why not?
I like the idea of that but it would kill small market teams. So ultimately I'd have to be against it.
I'm curious why you think the economics of small market teams would change if the ownership switched from private to public?
Small market teams are already having trouble competing. Small cities are struggling to keep cops on the street.
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Small market teams are already at a disadvantage while the teams are privately owned. I don't see why the disadvantage would be worse if the teams were publicly owned.
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Convince me why I should change my mind.
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green bay is a small market team
sport teams are businesess.
poorly rin yeams should fail
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We do not need to speak generically, we can pinpoint our argument: which small cities and teams are you specifically speaking about, Tyche? After we determine this, then we can do a cost-benefit analysis.
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We do not need to speak generically, we can pinpoint our argument: which small cities and teams are you specifically speaking about, Tyche? After we determine this, then we can do a cost-benefit analysis.
I am not going to go look up every team in every market in every sport to compile a list for you. Since I am in the majority then the onus is on you to convince me to your side to build up your numbers. I look at basketball and the same 6 large market teams dominate most of the championships. Same with baseball.
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Small market teams are already at a disadvantage while the teams are privately owned. I don't see why the disadvantage would be worse if the teams were publicly owned.
Some do, some don't. If the owner of a small market team is rich it has a serious advantage over other small market teams. Cities are never going to be "rich" so they will always be at a disadvantage over a privately owned team with huge pockets which is at least a possibility.
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Local government here is very bad. They shouldve done their research and learned the realities by visiting other cities
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Name one team. We will take the argument from there. Forget Onus. You made a claim and cited a reason. Now we will correspond your fact pattern with reality. If we can generalize your fact pattern to other similar cities, then you have persuaded me. Im just keeping you honest, you know- make sure you are not just talking out yo ass.
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Its so dumb. They left because govenment didnt buy them a new stadium
Years later after the government finally wakes up and they talk to a number of teams about moving they find out that all NBA teams also want new modern stadiums.
What kind of idiots are in charge here in Seattle?
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tax money shouldn;t be used to build stadiums for billionaires.
The billionaires keep their teams even after they move to another city. It's the citizens of Seattle that lost their team.
Doesn't surprise me Paul-the-worst-libertarian-ever supports taxpayers financing stadium construction for private for-profit sports teams.
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The reality is tax payers need to do that to get the pro sports teams.
Stand on your principles and be without a professional sports team like the Sonics
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Who cares. Most sports players are cry babies. Will act out if they dont get the extra 5 million dollars in their contracts. Over paid idiots playing a sport that means nothing at all. Get rid of all of it imo. Its worthless.
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If the taxpayers are going to subsidize professional sports franchises, then why not own them? Why should we be making someone wealthy wealthier. Green Bay is our case model for excellence. Why not more Green Bay Packers?
Tyche, if the onus is on me, I just gave you an example, Green Bay- small city, great team. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay,_Wisconsin
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If the taxpayers are going to subsidize professional sports franchises, then why not own them? Why should we be making someone wealthy wealthier. Green Bay is our case model for excellence. Why not more Green Bay Packers?
Tyche, if the onus is on me, I just gave you an example, Green Bay- small city, great team.
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Name one team.
Toronto Raptors.
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Who cares.
Obviously we do since we are talking about it.
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(Almost) every town has a soccer team and stadium in Europe and few of them are taxpayer financed.
Why is America so much worse at sports management than Europe?
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Thats Europe. This is America. Everyone is not the same.
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I dont know shit about Toronto Raptors-explain. Since when is Toronto a small city?
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Well I dont. Thats really all that matter. Can care less if you do or dont like it. I stated my opinion none the less.  have a good day tick
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Thats Europe. This is America. Everyone is not the same.
"We're America so we have to suck"?
Very patriotic of you Bonk.
P.S. Many European countries and cities used to give big subsidies like American cities do now. Most of them don't any more because they realized it's a bad system. Why can't America do the same? Why is Europe so far ahead of America when it comes to sports management?
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Its a small market. How about Baltimore Orioles? San Diego Padres? Sacramento Kings? Milwaukee Bucks?
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Mastara posted:
Well I dont. Thats really all that matter. Can care less if you do or dont like it. I stated my opinion none the less. have a good day tick
 So why enter the thread then dumbass.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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Thats Europe. This is America. Everyone is not the same.
"We're America so we have to suck"?
Very patriotic of you Bonk.
P.S. Many European countries and cities used to give big subsidies like American cities do now. Most of them don't any more because they realized it's a bad system. Why can't America do the same? Why is Europe so far ahead of America when it comes to sports management?
True. This is a great way for a city in the US to not have a sports team
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Small means something different to you, Tyche. If San Diego, Toronto and Baltimore are small. I will agree to disagree. I still will cite Green Bay as a textbook success.
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Small market Mo. Small market. How about this. I don't try and convince you and we stay on our sides on the issue.
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toronto is a very poor example. its not small market in the least.
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Stadiums are used for a helluva lot more than just games. Football stadiums are used for what, 8 sundays a year for football?
They are always being rented out for concerts, conventions, rallies, etc. A tax payer owned stadium makes money for the community, if it is well managed.
There lies the problem.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
paulg_68 posted:
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tax money shouldn;t be used to build stadiums for billionaires.
The billionaires keep their teams even after they move to another city. It's the citizens of Seattle that lost their team.
Doesn't surprise me Paul-the-worst-libertarian-ever supports taxpayers financing stadium construction for private for-profit sports teams.
Oh I went a lot further than that. I said I wasn't opposed to public ownership of teams.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
(Almost) every town has a soccer team and stadium in Europe and few of them are taxpayer financed.
Why is America so much worse at sports management than Europe?
If you try to do a major construction project in the US a thousand groups will come out of the woodwork and start making demands and trying to get payoffs. A new stadium that should cost $250 million ends up costing $750 million. Team owners and the league would be happy to pony up the $250 million. The city and the state though are major contributors to the jacking up of the ultimate cost. Owners want them to kick in to help cover that. The investment by the government also serves as a motivator to clear away a lot of unnecessary red tape.
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I miss Shawn Kemp.
Him and the "glove" were fun to watch.
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Bobvillas posted:
I miss Shawn Kemp.
Him and the "glove" were fun to watch.
I was at Oregon State the same years as Payton. That was such a joy to see. My favorite players are the ones who play the hardest and the smartest.
Kemp and Payton were pretty much opposites. Kemp was all about athleticism. Payton could barely dunk. In fact I think I saw him miss more dunks than he made.
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paulg_68 posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
(Almost) every town has a soccer team and stadium in Europe and few of them are taxpayer financed.
Why is America so much worse at sports management than Europe?
If you try to do a major construction project in the US a thousand groups will come out of the woodwork and start making demands and trying to get payoffs.
You think this is any different in Europe?
Just look at the hoops Arsenal had to jump through to get the Emirates approved.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Just look at the hoops Arsenal had to jump through to get the Emirates approved.
You might as well have written that in Sanskrit.
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__Bonk__ posted:
There is no professional hockey team here either!
This is why they're interested again. There is the possibility of a double use arena now. There wasn't before.
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As an NFL owner myself I have in fact spent my own money to help expand Lambeau field.
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Isn't this old news? I was living in Seattle at this time. A bunch of millionaire owners wanted the taxpayers to pay for their new toys. We said no so they pouted and left. Boohoo....
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paulg_68 posted:
Kemp was all about athleticism.
The twelve women he impregnated can all attest to that!
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Tych2 posted:
Mastara posted:
Well I dont. Thats really all that matter. Can care less if you do or dont like it. I stated my opinion none the less. have a good day tick
So why enter the thread then dumbass.
Isn't Mastara just using your usual shtick, Tych?
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Desnoxvu posted:
Isn't this old news? I was living in Seattle at this time. A bunch of millionaire owners wanted the taxpayers to pay for their new toys. We said no so they pouted and left. Boohoo....
The owners didn't pout. They got everything they wanted somewhere else.
The only people who didn't get what they wanted were the fans in Seattle.
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B_Shinkicker posted:
Isn't Mastara just using your usual shtick, Tych?
Please. I do it with finesse and style. He is a bible thumping, drug addict, neanderthal. It's not even close to the same.
Edit: I missed the tick comment. That was funny!
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I was in Denver in the late 90s when they were 'debating' whether or not a 1/2 cent sales tax should be levied in order to build the Broncos a new stadium (as if it was ever in doubt).
I remember one of the local radio honks saying, "Are you really gonna FEEL 1/2 a penny?"
STFU NOOB THAT ISN'T THE POINT!
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I wonder where all the people went who said the Sonics would fail in Oklahoma City? They seem to be doing well as the Thunder.
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