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Topic: Elementary school books.

GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls Posts: 37,872 Registered: Mar 22, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 26,537 User ID: 1,125,840	Subject: Elementary school books.
	In IN we have to pay a fee for books, yet we get no say in what books they use. When I was a kid we had ten year old textbooks. Now they get new every year and get tons of "throw away" work books and stuff. It burns me up because of the corps that are essentially making the rules for everyone else. And at the same time we are firing teachers to save money. -----signature----- Another word for expensive is successful.
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Cawlin Posts: 20,754 Registered: Feb 22, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 20,667 User ID: 1,030,445	Subject: Elementary school books.
	It's a sticky issue to be honest. The curriculum should be reasonably "standard" but nobody can agree on what it should be. Teaching methods should be if not standard, at least have uniform requirements upon them, but nobody can agree on those either. Meanwhile, textbook publication remains a racket (think about it in college and then apply it to the much more massive scale public education system). When I was a kid we had dittos (not photocopies) of worksheets and we had notepaper to do our work on. We had 10 year old text books and excellent teachers. -----signature----- If ignorance were painful, half the posters here would be on morphine drips. Everyone playing WoW knows everything about playing two classes: 1) their own and 2) Hunters
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls Posts: 37,872 Registered: Mar 22, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 26,537 User ID: 1,125,840	Subject: Elementary school books.
	I wouldn't mind as much, but I have a buddy that works at a publisher and the stories he tells are absurd. I also started working at a gov't contractor last year and never has intentional stupid and lazy been more profitable. I just think this particular hybrid of parents paying for books is REALLY bad. Because whatever little onus there is on the school board to save money goes away because theya ren't paying for it. It seems wrong that the cost is a pass through when the decision is made by other people getting free dinners and oriental massages with a happy ending. If I'm paying for a handy I WANT THE HANDY! -----signature----- Another word for expensive is successful.
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Cawlin Posts: 20,754 Registered: Feb 22, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 20,667 User ID: 1,030,445	Subject: Elementary school books.
	GrilledCheez posted: I wouldn't mind as much, but I have a buddy that works at a publisher and the stories he tells are absurd. I also started working at a gov't contractor last year and never has intentional stupid and lazy been more profitable. I just think this particular hybrid of parents paying for books is REALLY bad. Because whatever little onus there is on the school board to save money goes away because theya ren't paying for it. It seems wrong that the cost is a pass through when the decision is made by other people getting free dinners and oriental massages with a happy ending. If I'm paying for a handy I WANT THE HANDY! Well, it's not as if there's any surprise here really right? I mean, whenever you make any entity no longer fiscally responsible, they stop... you know... being fiscally responsible. Parents in the nation have bought in totally to the latest manipulative tool: making everything "about the children". Certainly I don't believe we should throw our children under the bus, but this just another in the long list of abuses being perpetrated on Americans under the guise of being "for the children". -----signature----- If ignorance were painful, half the posters here would be on morphine drips. Everyone playing WoW knows everything about playing two classes: 1) their own and 2) Hunters
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: Elementary school books.
	It is pretty sickening. Working for the gubmint you see the good it does but also the evil things people do to take advantage of the system. I'm sure it happens in the private sector too but when it's other people's money it just makes it that much easier. -----signature----- (none)
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: Elementary school books.
	The US government can do a lot of things better by developing internal capacity to do things. Text books are a fine example of this. The US government(fed, state, loca) must spend a ridiculous amount on books every year between all the different groups and I am sure if the government just did it they could provide higher quality and more choices. Same goes of technology IMO. Nothing like having a massive patchwork of computer systems. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Eager_Igraine Posts: 20,126 Registered: Nov 21, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 19,548 User ID: 740,268	Subject: Elementary school books.
	The image of government bureaucracy overseen by politically motivated appointees controlling the development and publishing of educational materials on a national scale is almost as scary as leaving it in the hands of school boards to approve the materials. -----signature----- I radiate more heat than light. I know what you're trying to do but you're just sailing another failboat over the falls. - imaloon1
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets Posts: 19,662 Registered: Jan 15, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 15,903 User ID: 612,352	Subject: Elementary school books.
	We have to send our kids to school with their own toilet paper. We do get to choose which brand, though, so that's something. -----signature----- I had a dream. It was an incredible dream. When I awoke, I had a huge mess to clean up.
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Sea_of_inK Posts: 3,238 Registered: Oct 18, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 2,898 User ID: 978,446	Subject: Elementary school books.
	It doesn't end after elementary school. Book companies come out with new editions of the same book yearly now it seems, and all classes require the latest edition. -----signature----- http://www.fairvote.org/reforms/
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: Elementary school books.
	Eager_Igraine posted: The image of government bureaucracy overseen by politically motivated appointees controlling the development and publishing of educational materials on a national scale is almost as scary as leaving it in the hands of school boards to approve the materials. It could be set up more like the university system is or a quasi public. Worst case scenario is that the school board chooses a private company. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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__Bonk__ Posts: 53,947 Registered: Jul 25, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,339 User ID: 1,364,654	Subject: Elementary school books.
	The school book system is a racket -----signature----- I keep my eyes fixed on the sun! A change in feeling is a change in destiny.
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: Elementary school books.
	Sea_of_inK posted: It doesn't end after elementary school. Book companies come out with new editions of the same book yearly now it seems, and all classes require the latest edition. Once you get higher up into the system the textbook is usually written by the professor so of course they assign the latest edition. It's pretty sickening really. -----signature----- (none)
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