Manegarm posted:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8



applefags are the most brainwashed lemmings on the planet..

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Aerlinthian posted:

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Next to socialists.

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Aerlinthian posted:

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And again for the willfully ignorant. Our two nations are nothing alike in terms of demographics. Your insistence on not recognizing that fact is why you always fail miserably on your attempt at this analogy.

Maybe, just maybe if you came over here for a few years and did extensive traveling and extensive dialoging with the highly disparate and diverse groups here, you would realize this for yourself. I have traveled this country extensively, I have spent a lot of time talking with different peoples and it is completely safe to say that we have very different ethics and values from area to area and groups to groups which makes large scale socialism impossible.

Socialism needs affinity to work. America is far too large and diverse to have the kind of affinities needed for a socialist state. In addition our form of government is not built for it. That is why we are coming apart at the seems now. The models we have had forced on us do not work for a nation that is built like us, large as us and diverse as we are.

But I know you will ignore this because you think you are more knowledgeable, smarter and experienced than everyone else. How do I know this? Because I have seen you repeatedly insist that your system which works for your country can work for other countries. You're not just wrong, but you are arrogantly wrong.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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Yes. Is that glitter on your face??

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Manegarm posted:

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Aerlinthian posted:

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Next to socialists.

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Sweden is a well functioning socialist state without any real poverty, low crime, high educational level, extremely high living standard, one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world and universal healthcare, the 4th best internet coverage in the world.

America is a non functioning capitalist state; a lot of poverty, high crime rates, the highest infant mortality rate in the western world no universal coverage and your internet prowess is laughable..

questions?

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sweeny_comodore posted:

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4g phone is FAR less than 20meg

your 20meg is probably far less than 20meg.





picture a pipe thats 100 feet across flowing at 2 gallons per minute. its really kind of a trickle, right?
no picture a tiny little tube flowing at 2 gallons per minute. if the tube is small enough, 2 gallons/min rushed out fast enough to cut bone in half.



if youre on cable internet, you have the previous one. and they have no desire to provide you with a a much fatter/faster internet for so much less cost than DSL/fios is doing.
why should they? capitalism is alive and well. we reward those who can withhold tech and charge more for crapier products

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eodoll posted:

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Apple is still breaking new ground.. Ipad and iphone. Nobody else did anything like it until apple.

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Cawlin posted:

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To be fair, in 1984, most of the non-Apple world was computing like this:

C:\cd d:<enter>
D:\cd games<enter>
D:\cd lemmings<enter>
D:\run lemmings.exe<enter>

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Manegarm posted:

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Aerlinthian posted:

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And again for the willfully ignorant. Our two nations are nothing alike in terms of demographics. Your insistence on not recognizing that fact is why you always fail miserably on your attempt at this analogy.

Maybe, just maybe if you came over here for a few years and did extensive traveling and extensive dialoging with the highly disparate and diverse groups here, you would realize this for yourself. I have traveled this country extensively, I have spent a lot of time talking with different peoples and it is completely safe to say that we have very different ethics and values from area to area and groups to groups which makes large scale socialism impossible.

Socialism needs affinity to work. America is far too large and diverse to have the kind of affinities needed for a socialist state. In addition our form of government is not built for it. That is why we are coming apart at the seems now. The models we have had forced on us do not work for a nation that is built like us, large as us and diverse as we are.

But I know you will ignore this because you think you are more knowledgeable, smarter and experienced than everyone else. How do I know this? Because I have seen you repeatedly insist that your system which works for your country can work for other countries. You're not just wrong, but you are arrogantly wrong.

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Germany, Norway, Austria, Denmark, Holland, Sweden and Finland disagrees with you.

fact: Socialism works fine if it's free from corruption and not mismanaged.

Which makes me right I do believe..

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Because those countries you listed have the geographical area, diversity, population, etc. comparable to the US more so than Sweden? Try again.

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Because those countries you listed have the geographical area, diversity, population, etc. comparable to the US more so than Sweden? Try again.

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So now diversity is some horrible thing that is dragging the US down?

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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All of those "hurdles" are much more difficult to overcome in a capitalist system bent on "free trade" than socialist ones bent on subsidizing production and employment.

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Cawlin posted:

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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All of those "hurdles" are much more difficult to overcome in a capitalist system bent on "free trade" than socialist ones bent on subsidizing production and employment.

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You mean like the hurdles where one cultural demographic reviles everything about education and achievement and actively discourages portions of its own demographic from seeking any sort of advancement in the world of "The Othersâ„¢"?

How about the hurdle where one cultural demographic actively works to separate itself, socially, economically, and physically from "The Othersâ„¢"

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Cawlin posted:

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You mean like the hurdles where one cultural demographic reviles everything about education and achievement and actively discourages portions of its own demographic from seeking any sort of advancement in the world of "The Othersâ„¢"?

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Cawlin posted:

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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All of those "hurdles" are much more difficult to overcome in a capitalist system bent on "free trade" than socialist ones bent on subsidizing production and employment.

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You mean like the hurdles where one cultural demographic reviles everything about education and achievement and actively discourages portions of its own demographic from seeking any sort of advancement in the world of "The Othersâ„¢"?

How about the hurdle where one cultural demographic actively works to separate itself, socially, economically, and physically from "The Othersâ„¢"

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The US has to deal with the fact that it has been overtly rascist for so long and continues to be extremely classist. Both issues are only made worse in our current economic system and approach.

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NuEM posted:

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Cawlin posted:

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You mean like the hurdles where one cultural demographic reviles everything about education and achievement and actively discourages portions of its own demographic from seeking any sort of advancement in the world of "The Othersâ„¢"?

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Well okay but we have right wings too here just not as many.

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Cawlin posted:

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The fact is that there are huge cultural "gaps" within the US and there are pretty stark lines drawn between the various demographics espousing the various cultures. The US is sort of a melding pot, but in actual practice is more of a collection of groups of people, not willing to give up their distrust/hate for the other groups. The economic drivers behind these aren't so much about class (the class warfare issue is evolving to the point that it is no longer being waged along cultural/racial lines).

The question is a chicken or the egg issue really though. Are the economics race based or is the racism economically based? The fact is that there are cultural striations in America and there is huge contention over them which impede progress.

Speaking about the nations above, all basically Germanic in origin, largely of the same race and similar religious background and comparing it to America would be like comparing a half a dozen STATES in the US. Perhaps if you compared Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky you could see some parity. I'm pretty sure all of those states are about as similarly diverse as Germany, Norway, Austria, Denmark, Holland, Sweden and Finland. Now, throw into the mix New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, California, Texas, and Florida, and you're talking about REAL cultural diversity.

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Cawlin posted:

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The fact is that there are huge cultural "gaps" within the US and there are pretty stark lines drawn between the various demographics espousing the various cultures. The US is sort of a melding pot, but in actual practice is more of a collection of groups of people, not willing to give up their distrust/hate for the other groups. The economic drivers behind these aren't so much about class (the class warfare issue is evolving to the point that it is no longer being waged along cultural/racial lines).

The question is a chicken or the egg issue really though. Are the economics race based or is the racism economically based? The fact is that there are cultural striations in America and there is huge contention over them which impede progress.

Speaking about the nations above, all basically Germanic in origin, largely of the same race and similar religious background and comparing it to America would be like comparing a half a dozen STATES in the US. Perhaps if you compared Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky you could see some parity. I'm pretty sure all of those states are about as similarly diverse as Germany, Norway, Austria, Denmark, Holland, Sweden and Finland. Now, throw into the mix New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, California, Texas, and Florida, and you're talking about REAL cultural diversity.

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I reject the notion that cultural diversity is the problem or something dragging the US down.

I do agree that a history of racism and classism is problematic though. Our history of racism and bias has helped tie culture and race to class. The end result is a situation where our history with regards to race is unable to heal because of our problems with classism.

The problem is not cultural diversity, it is our own history and our current choices that are the problem.

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Cawlin posted:

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I did not say it was "the" problem. I said that it was one of the difficulties facing the US along with things like population, geographic spread and so forth. Cultural diversity in the US is a hurdle that we must get over, along with a number of other hurdles. Discounting it entirely as having no bearing on anything is either naive or intentionally disingenuous.

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Cawlin posted:

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I did not say it was "the" problem. I said that it was one of the difficulties facing the US along with things like population, geographic spread and so forth. Cultural diversity in the US is a hurdle that we must get over, along with a number of other hurdles. Discounting it entirely as having no bearing on anything is either naive or intentionally disingenuous.

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What a stupid semantic argument you just made.

/boggle

Calling cultural diversity a hurdle misses the point. The nation has benefited a lot from cultural diversity and when you attempt to describe problems of cultural diversity they amount to little more than complaints about past mistakes made in our country and how those mistakes still haunt US. In part due to classism that is present in this nation. Classism being one of the primary issues these socialists states address.

At best your "hurdle" is really just a reason to be more like those countries, not an excuse for why we can't.

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Cawlin posted:

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LOL talk about a semantics argument!

So it's not cultural diversity, it's class diversity brought about by economic conditions that may be based in race or by racial divisions that may be brought about by economics?

GTFO dude.

Your pie in the sky, rose colored glasses perspective is the party line of course, but it's not reality. Reality is that cultural diversity can be problematic (and can also be a boon) when it comes to uniting a nation. I am not making excuses for the lack of cohesion, I'm simply explaining to you the truth of the matter.

People are not machines. People have emotions and sometimes irrational fears and concerns. That's just the way people are, people EVERYWHERE are this way, not just in the US, but around the globe. Cultural diversity has the potential to provide a net benefit overall to the nation, but such benefit is presently being hindered by this universal human trait which is to be wary of that which is different.

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Cawlin posted:

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I am not racist, I just consider all those brown people a hurdle that is holding the US back.

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Anyone who points out sociological FACT derived from the thousands of years of documented history is a racist.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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Yes. Is that glitter on your face??

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Cawlin posted:

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Anyone who points out sociological FACT derived from the thousands of years of documented history is a racist.

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This is an appropriate summary of your ignorance.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Because those countries you listed have the geographical area, diversity, population, etc. comparable to the US more so than Sweden? Try again.

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Manegarm posted:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8



applefags are the most brainwashed lemmings on the planet..

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NuEM posted:

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Seriously! Those crazy Bavarians were really a pain in the... uhm I mean they greatly increase our cultural diversity in a positive and constructive manner. And I am sure one day they will learn to speak German too.

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NuEM posted:

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He was from Austria.

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Eradiani posted:

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I love how this hate on apple became an argle bargle socialism thread

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Bonzoboy1 posted:

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Has anyone ever noticed that the Apple Geniuses don't live up to their job titles?

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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NuEM posted:

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He was from Austria.

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Leave it to the German to try and blame Austria for Hitler.

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BubbleDude posted:

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Wut does Hitler have to do with Germany?

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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NuEM posted:

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He was from Austria.

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Leave it to the German to try and blame Austria for Hitler.

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Manegarm posted:

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Hitler was born in Austria and lived there most of his life.

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