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...and stop hiding behind civilians there wouldn't be any civilians killed by our remote controlled drones....
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If that picture were accurate the Israel soldier would be in an American bought & paid for tank which in turn would be behind American soldiers who would be first in line of fire.
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If that picture were accurate the Israel soldier would be in an American bought & paid for tank which in turn would be behind American soldiers who would be first in line of fire.
You're as pathetic as brother_tampon.
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lol @ brother_tampon
carry on
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[quote=Sansfear]
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"Israelis" used suicide bombings too before they had better weapons. The Palestinians probably learned the tactic from them. 
I don't know for sure but I suspect they also hid among civilians when the British came to try to round them up.
edit: Doesn't make it ok. But it's always true that the weaker opponents in a conflict tend to fight dirtier.
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edit: Doesn't make it ok. But it's always true that the weaker opponents in a conflict tend to fight dirtier.
Not always true. I don't think any country occupied by the Nazis debased themselves the way the Palestinians do. Anyway those weaker countries certainly did not fight dirtier than their stronger occupiers.
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Palestinians actually don't fight dirtier
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"Israelis" used suicide bombings too before they had better weapons. The Palestinians probably learned the tactic from them.
I don't know for sure but I suspect they also hid among civilians when the British came to try to round them up.
edit: Doesn't make it ok. But it's always true that the weaker opponents in a conflict tend to fight dirtier.
The "Hiding behind civilians" phenom is a clever trap for the human brain.
Bad guy takes refuge behind innocents, or in some case dares live around some.
Good guy kills innocents trying to kill bad guy.
Bad guy gets blamed when innocents get killed. Good guy gets to say "see, look how bad they are."
EDIT: Now we live in a time when Good guys are immune from our opinions and here at home, 30,000 UAVs are getting ready to drop their bombs here.
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Also, the stronger Serbs fought pretty dirty when they were going around throwing Croat babies in pits.
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Bad guy takes refuge behind innocents, or in some case dares live around some.
Good guy kills innocents trying to kill bad guy.
Bad guy gets blamed when innocents get killed. Good guy gets to say "see, look how bad they are."
No, it's pretty much always the good guys that get blamed in this scenario. Mainly because they are excessively Jewish and everything is therefore their fault.
It's why the bad guys do it.
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The Nazis actually weren't particularly dirty fighters. They were pretty good to western POWs, for instance. They had their share of war crimes but on the scale of things I don't think they rank all that high.
And you are kidding yourself if you think the resistance movements didn't hide among the civilian population. All resistance movements do.
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illmyrin posted:
Bad guy takes refuge behind innocents, or in some case dares live around some.
Good guy kills innocents trying to kill bad guy.
Bad guy gets blamed when innocents get killed. Good guy gets to say "see, look how bad they are."
No, it's pretty much always the good guys that get blamed in this scenario. Mainly because they are excessively Jewish and everything is therefore their fault.
It's why the bad guys do it.
I'd agree with the Jewish factor except I see it working for us Americans a little bit better than it works for Israel..
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illmyrin posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
"Israelis" used suicide bombings too before they had better weapons. The Palestinians probably learned the tactic from them.
I don't know for sure but I suspect they also hid among civilians when the British came to try to round them up.
edit: Doesn't make it ok. But it's always true that the weaker opponents in a conflict tend to fight dirtier.
The "Hiding behind civilians" phenom is a clever trap for the human brain.
Bad guy takes refuge behind innocents, or in some case dares live around some.
Good guy kills innocents trying to kill bad guy.
Bad guy gets blamed when innocents get killed. Good guy gets to say "see, look how bad they are."
EDIT: Now we live in a time when Good guys are immune our opinions and here at home, 30,000 UAVs are getting ready to drop their bombs here.
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The Nazis actually weren't particularly dirty fighters. They were pretty good to western POWs, for instance. They had their share of war crimes but on the scale of things I don't think they rank all that high.
And you are kidding yourself if you think the resistance movements didn't hide among the civilian population. All resistance movements do.
And when the oppressor killed innocents the resistance won.
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The Nazis actually weren't particularly dirty fighters. They were pretty good to western POWs, for instance. They had their share of war crimes but on the scale of things I don't think they rank all that high.
And you are kidding yourself if you think the resistance movements didn't hide among the civilian population. All resistance movements do.
Yeah.... I'm sure those ovens were pretty clean afterwards.
Moran.
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For that picture to be accurate, the Palestinian would have to be huddled into a slum holding a stick, and the Israeli would be in a billion dollar fighter jet with cruise missiles who later landed and went home to a house that used to belong to the guy with the stick.
The guy with the stick would still be almost as likely to bash the kid on his sides head in as anything else however. Which makes it pretty god damn hard to feel sorry for the idiot.
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The Nazis actually weren't particularly dirty [i]fighters[/i]. They were pretty good to western POWs, for instance. They had their share of war crimes but on the scale of things I don't think they rank all that high.
And you are kidding yourself if you think the resistance movements didn't hide among the civilian population. All resistance movements do.
Yeah.... I'm sure those ovens were pretty clean afterwards.
Moran.
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If someone shoots at me and then hides behind you, you have three options.
1) Attack and capture the shooter and I will give you a reward.
2) Get the fuck out of the way right now.
3) Stand there and act as a human shield and get shot by me when I return fire.
If you choose option 3, then that was your choice. Don't blame me.
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It's all about spin.. For instance, had I, at first, countered that picture with a giant bold caption.
Don't worry the IDF soldier wont shoot
or
Palestinian babies are brave.
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Palestine, world baby stroller speed record
It would have been funny.
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I don't think using human shields against Nazis would be such a brilliant idea. 
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I don't think using human shields against Nazis would be such a brilliant idea.
This is true, the Israelis will shoot anyway.
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The whole idea of human shields was ignored by everyone during World War II. Every country specifically targetted civilian populations to lower morale. In fact, most of the deaths from the war were civilians.
Most of those facts get glossed over now, but it was total war on all sides.
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I don't think using human shields against Nazis would be such a brilliant idea.
This is true, the Israelis will shoot anyway.
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I am pretty sure the British used to say this exact same thing about us a while back...
Defending empires is hard work...
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The british won the Boar War in South Africa by putting everyone into the worlds first concentration camps.
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The whole idea of human shields was ignored by everyone during World War II. Every country specifically targetted civilian populations to lower morale. In fact, most of the deaths from the war were civilians.
Most of those facts get glossed over now, but it was total war on all sides.
People who like to QQ about Hiroshima try to ignore this.
If Japan had gotten the bomb, LA would have been nuked.
If the Russians had gotten it before 1945, Berlin would have been turned into radioactive rubble.
Ditto the Brits.
If Hitler got it, everything would have been nuked.
If Croatia had it, they would have accidentally nuked themselves.
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True. But sorta a non sequitor.
I'm also not really sure all of them would have used it on an already beaten enemy.
Using an atomic bomb wasn't any worse than other things that happaned in WWII. What was worse was the timing of it. It was pretty much pointless from a military point of view and was all about political calculation.
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True. But sorta a non sequitor.
I'm also not really sure all of them would have used it on an already beaten enemy.
Using an atomic bomb wasn't any worse than other things that happaned in WWII. What was worse was the timing of it. It was pretty much pointless from a military point of view and was all about political calculation.
So you think the US could have taken Japan one square mile at a time without any casualties because Japan was beaten already?
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If Croatia had it, they would have accidentally nuked themselves.
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I am pretty sure the British used to say this exact same thing about us a while back...
Defending empires is hard work...
/shrug
It was completely sarcastic RC and meant as a trap for the current American mindset about civilian casualties. I had said before, rational people should see the results of war and throw away their guns. Nothing our nation's leader's job's entail should involve murdering innocent people with the military. At some point I'd have pointed it out we're so brave we now use unmanned weapons platforms and illegally assassinate people and kill innocent people while doing it. Fking Pakistan has been crying about it since 08. We fly these things into their country and drop missiles that kill innocent civilians... And most of the responders to my OP think that the fact there is a "BAD GUY" within a group of innocent people makes it ok to fire away.
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"Israelis" used suicide bombings too before they had better weapons. The Palestinians probably learned the tactic from them.
I don't know for sure but I suspect they also hid among civilians when the British came to try to round them up.
edit: Doesn't make it ok. But it's always true that the weaker opponents in a conflict tend to fight dirtier.
The suicide bombing tactics were inspired by the Japanese Red Army and Tamil Tigers.
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"Israelis" used suicide bombings too before they had better weapons. The Palestinians probably learned the tactic from them.
I don't know for sure but I suspect they also hid among civilians when the British came to try to round them up.
edit: Doesn't make it ok. But it's always true that the weaker opponents in a conflict tend to fight dirtier.
No they didn't The suicide bombing tactics were inspired by the Japanese Red Army and Tamil Tigers.
Somehow I knew it was Japan's fault
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I have always thought it is a testament to something (not sure what) in the Japanese people that they did not become a nation filled with terrorists after the nukes.
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never mind fighting like men, maybe they could just stop teaching children to glorify martyrdom?
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=111&fld_id=111&doc_id=446
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Throw "for your country" in there and I'm all for that Garth.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7MHq1musGc
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Phlegm573 posted:
If Croatia had it, they would have accidentally nuked themselves.
QFT
Say the people that bought space program from us
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never mind fighting like men, maybe they could just stop teaching children to glorify martyrdom?
I thought Israel put fine example that violence is the key...
if you can kill UN envoy and the world get over it (even Sweden)
then you're doing something right
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Propaganda, the vehicle of the stupid.
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So you think the US could have taken Japan one square mile at a time without any casualties because Japan was beaten already?
We've been over this too many times on the Outpost to rehash. No invasion was necessary. America ended up giving Japan the terms it wanted in the end anyhow. The bombs were totally unnessecary from a military point of view. It was completely politics.
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The suicide bombing tactics were inspired by the Japanese Red Army
I've heard that too. But there were Jewish suicide bombers in Palestine during the British mandate. So I'm not sure why it would have been just the one and not the other in their own backyard where the Palestinians saw firsthand how effective it was.
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never mind fighting like men, maybe they could just stop teaching children to glorify martyrdom?
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=111&fld_id=111&doc_id=446
http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/new-hit-song-for-palestinian-children-when-we-die-as-martyrs-1.297731
Garth, it looks like the children of that area are not very much different
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALiyDNwgUGY
here's a working link
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I don't think using human shields against Nazis would be such a brilliant idea.
I'm sorry, but  . Goddamn it NuEM!
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Really, the Israeli should be hiding behind a US flag while flying a plane that's bombing brown infants and elderly.
Then you'd have an accurate picture.
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It doesn't really matter who gets dirtiest when both sides jump in the mud.
That's what war does to people. Neither side is ever pure.
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Or if that doesn't convince you the youth are the same, how about this one Garth ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZZKJp8Syw&feature=related
Bit more convincing ? I wonder if anyone can translate what she said, in that language I do not understand, to the people in the video ?
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It doesn't really matter who gets dirtiest when both sides jump in the mud.
That's what war does to people. Neither side is ever pure.
Eeeeyup.
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Kjarhall posted:
It doesn't really matter who gets dirtiest when both sides jump in the mud.
That's what war does to people. Neither side is ever pure.
Eeeeyup.
I think politicians have very clean shoes.
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Here we see a soldier putting his training to use. When you see a camera cradle your human shield and cry on it.
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A scoped rifle could fix this problem with a .50 sent round from 1000 yards. Just have more snipers and less idiots with assault rifles spraying and praying because most have horrible aim anyway.
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