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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/us-arizona-candidate-language-idUSTRE8162BP20120208
A Yuma County Superior Court judge touched off a furor last week when he disqualified Alejandrina Cabrera, 35, from running for city council in the town of San Luis over what he called a "large gap" between her English proficiency and that required to serve as a public official.
In a brief two-page ruling, the Arizona Supreme Court did not give a reason why it sided with the lower court judge, but said a written decision would follow "in due course."
"We're all burned out and disappointed. I'm really surprised. I figured they'd throw this thing out," John Minore, an attorney for Cabrera, told Reuters in an interview.
Interesting, should you have to speck fluent English to hold elected office?
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Bush Jr didn't.
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Interesting, should you have to speck fluent English to hold elected office?
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This is an Arizona-specific law.
"The Arizona constitution states that: “[t]he ability to read, write, speak, and understand the English language sufficiently well to conduct the duties of the office without the aid of an interpreter, shall be a necessary qualification for all state officers and members of the state legislature†(Art. XX, sec. 8).
Another law adopted in 2006 (Arizona Revised Statutes 38-201.c.) states that: "[a] person who is unable to speak, write and read the English language is not eligible to hold a state, county, city, town or precinct office in the state, whether elective or appointive, and no certificate of election or commission shall issue to a person so disqualified.""
She was given a proficiency test and did very poorly, so she was disqualified.
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Arizona is one of the most racist states in the country.
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Interesting, should you have to speck fluent English to hold elected office?
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Interesting, should you have to speck fluent English to hold elected office?
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Might as well go the whole way and demand they speak Deutsch. 
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Arizona is one of the most racist states in the country.
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Find it funny that yuki complains about racism there when Japan is the most racist country on the planet and he is the most racist guy on the outpost.
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what does launguage have to do with race?
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Bush Jr didn't.
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The person who filed the original lawsuit is Juan Carlos Escamilla. If you know anything about politics in the national Latino dialogue you know who he is.
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Good, it is ridiculous that this person can't communicate in the predominate language of this country AND runs for elective office.
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Arizona is one of the most racist states in the country.
Right next to DC
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Good, it is ridiculous that this person can't communicate in the predominate language of this country AND runs for elective office.
The United States doesn't have an official language. People should be able to elect the representation they want regardless of the languages they do or don't speak.
I find it a bit hypocritical that a self professed libertarian would want to hamper the freedoms of fellow Americans by limiting the choices they have on a ballot. Especially considering another thread you've started recently.
Why do you hate liberty? Or should I ask why do you hate brown people?
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If you can't speak English well enough to pass a basic proficiency test, odds are you are not a legal resident. Are there legal residents who can't pass a basic English speaking proficiency test? Sure but I would put that at a very low percentage in the class.
If you can't work well enough in the language that the vast majority speak...why should I have to pay for someone to interpret for you? Go take a few classes, get a *BASIC* working grasp of English and run for office.
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Our government business is conducted in English. This is not a complicated issue to understand.
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Lingua Franca.
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She's not running for national office. She's running for city council of a city near the Mexican border. I'm sure she's more than able to communicate with the people she'd be representing.
Why do they deserve to be denied a choice because of the language spoken? Are they somehow less entitled to choose their representation than English speakers?
Also, there are vetting processes to determine whether or not someone is here legally. Making assumptions based on the language they speak is dumb, and unnecessary.
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She's not running for national office. She's running for city council of a city near the Mexican border. I'm sure she's more than able to communicate with the people she'd be representing.
Why do they deserve to be denied a choice because of the language spoken? Are they somehow less entitled to choose their representation than English speakers?
Also, there are vetting processes to determine whether or not someone is here legally. Making assumptions based on the language they speak is dumb, and unnecessary.
No kidding. It's the worst kind of oppression of linguistic minorities. If people want to elect a spanish-speaking mayor of their town which probably mostly speaks spanish why not let them? Arizona apparently hates democracy when it speaks spanish. 
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Interesting, should you have to speck fluent English to hold elected office?
duh?
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Arizona apparently hates democracy
Obviously they hate Democracy there, you would to if you were locally and directly sharing your vote with someone like Fist!!!
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She's not running for national office. She's running for city council of a city near the Mexican border. I'm sure she's more than able to communicate with the people she'd be representing.
Why do they deserve to be denied a choice because of the language spoken? Are they somehow less entitled to choose their representation than English speakers?
Also, there are vetting processes to determine whether or not someone is here legally. Making assumptions based on the language they speak is dumb, and unnecessary.
No kidding. It's the worst kind of oppression of linguistic minorities. If people want to elect a spanish-speaking mayor of their town which probably mostly speaks spanish why not let them? Arizona apparently hates democracy when it speaks spanish.
I kind of agree here or at least be bilingual. I can bet you dollars to donuts that the english only candidate cannot speak spanish well or even at all.
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People should really be able to vote in whoever they want. Exceptions to this rule should be very rare.
If good english is not a quality that voters put a high value on, why should BIGGUBAMINT!! make that decision for them.
Most libertarians seem to be part of that group only because it allows them to push racial legislation while pretending its about something else. Often they let the mask slip....
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Arizona is one of the most racist states in the country.
It is racist to demand officials speak/write/understand English? They are creating laws, passing ordinances, holding public forums. The ability to speak the native tongue is generally asked for.
I mean..I wouldn't go to China and expect to be able to run for office if I couldn't understand the language.
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Of all the possible words you could have chosen, "native" language? Seriously?
English is about as far from the "native" language of Arizona as you can get. Spanish isn't either but it certainly has a better claim than English.
Why can't you let people vote for people they want to vote for? If the people of some city want to vote for a spanish-speaking mayor who cares? Why isn't it up to them to choose the person they want?
America has historically had hundreds of communities where English wasn't the primary spoken language and I'm sure you can find dozens or hundreds of examples of mayors of American towns who spoke English poorly.
Using linguistic chauvinism to bar people from minority linguistic communities from the political procses is a recent phenomenon. The founders would spit on you for it.
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Bush Jr didn't.
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If you can't speak English well enough to pass a basic proficiency test, odds are you are not a legal resident. Are there legal residents who can't pass a basic English speaking proficiency test? Sure but I would put that at a very low percentage in the class.
If you can't work well enough in the language that the vast majority speak...why should I have to pay for someone to interpret for you? Go take a few classes, get a *BASIC* working grasp of English and run for office.
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Of all the possible words you could have chosen, "native" language? Seriously?
English is about as far from the "native" language of Arizona as you can get. Spanish isn't either but it certainly has a better claim than English.
Why can't you let people vote for people they want to vote for? If the people of some city want to vote for a spanish-speaking mayor who cares? Why isn't it up to them to choose the person they want?
America has historically had hundreds of communities where English wasn't the primary spoken language and I'm sure you can find dozens or hundreds of examples of mayors of American towns who spoke English poorly.
Using linguistic chauvinism to bar people from minority linguistic communities from the political procses is a recent phenomenon. The founders would spit on you for it.
OK..so in your eyes..and according to your statement, it would be peachy for some *insert non english speaking citizen* to come in, barely speak the language, and run for mayor/city council/President.
The people did choose. They chose to elect the officials who passed the law stating that if you couldn't read/write/speak english, you are barred from public office.
So once again, as long as the people choose what YOU believe/want..it is ok. If they don't, they are racists, haters and backwater rednecks.
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The people of that town didn't choose. They weren't allowed to because the big government supporters in Arizona decided we need to administer tests to see if someone is good enough to run for political office in the state.
Way to be on the side of big government telling people who they can or can not vote for!
It would be good if mayors had a background in accounting too. Let's mandate they have at least an M.A.. And an MBA would be good too. How about a PhD in political science? And an IQ above 120? Maybe make sure they own property worth at least $500,000 too in their district so they have an interest in the community? No adulterers either - they have bad morals. Or unhealthy people - too dangerous, they might die.
Or, we could do what we've always done and just leave it up to the voters to figure out how much each of those things matter.
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I find it hard to believe many of you have a difficult time understanding the need for someone to be able to use the language that laws/policies and every day business takes place in.
There is no official language, but let's be real here, english really is the "offical" language.
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Why? Why is it any more necessary than making sure they have enough understanding of math to understand the budget? Or enough understanding of civics to understand their job? Shouldn't we also test them on constitutional law?
That law is on the books for one reason and one reason only: lots of Arizonans are scared shitless of Spanish speakers taking over their state.
For that matter, in the city we're talking about Spanish probably *is* the everday language. It's called "San Luis." Arizonans clearly need to pass a law mandating it be renamed to "Saint Louis" instead so we can all do business in English!111
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Why? Why is it any more necessary than making sure they have enough understanding of math to understand the budget? Or enough understanding of civics to understand their job? Shouldn't we also test them on constitutional law?
That law is on the books for one reason and one reason only: lots of Arizonans are scared shitless of Spanish speakers taking over their state.
Because english is used for EVERYTHING. Signs, business transactions, contracts, policy creation, ACCOUNTANTS EXPLAINING A BUDGET TO YOU, etc...
Math, not so much.
Yuki, you of all people should know that even internationally, english is pretty much the standard for communication. Hell, science across the globe has pretty much made english the standard language.
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Why? Why is it any more necessary than making sure they have enough understanding of math to understand the budget? Or enough understanding of civics to understand their job? Shouldn't we also test them on constitutional law?
That law is on the books for one reason and one reason only: lots of Arizonans are scared shitless of Spanish speakers taking over their state.
Because english is used for EVERYTHING. Signs, business transactions, contracts, policy creation, ACCOUNTANTS EXPLAINING A BUDGET TO YOU, etc...
Math, not so much.
Accountants can't explain a budget to you in spanish?
If the voters in the election don't think speaking English is important to who they choose for mayor what gives you the right to tell them they're wrong?
All yoru arguments are arguments not to vote for the person. Not arguments about why we shouldn't be allowed to vote for them.
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I've never understood the language thing. If I went and lived in Germany, Sweden, Spain, Turkey, China, Russia and on and on...I would understand that if I didn't speak their language I would be in deep shit in the long term. No one is saying you can't speak what ever language you want be we need a common language to function in unity. We could have spoken German, French or Spanish but ultimately English won out...a long time ago.
There is nothing at all wrong with expecting the government to have a default language and that its members have a *basic* working knowledge. Even the mayor of a small town is going to have to interact with the state and as I posted above, why should tax payers have to shell out the cost of an interpreter?
The requirement was not...Be able to write a literary masterpiece in English, it is *BASIC* working ability. Hardy a burden.
"If the voters in the election don't think speaking English"
Odds are the majority of them aren't here legally if they can't speak English in which case, it is irrelevant. Or do you really want to tell me that people who are legal residents of the US include anything but a handful of people who can't speak some basic level of English?
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That's what they said about Jim Crow laws too. How can someone participate in the political process if they don't have a basic understanding of our language and culture and math and...and...and...
When you're passing a law to cut a segment of the population out of the democratic political procses it's a pretty good clue you're doing something wrong.
What about blind people? The state shouldn't have to pay for brail versions of documents so let's axe them out too. And deaf people, because that makes it hard for them to communicate over the phone and that's a big part of the job and it'll cost the taxpayer more. Or people in wheelchairs. Because it will cost more to change the office to be wheelchair accessible. No matter that the taxpayer wants to elect this person - he shouldn't be able to make that choice because we in the government know better!
Issues like this show who the real libertarians are. There's not much more basic than passing laws to exclude people from the political process because they arn't good enough.
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Odds are the majority of them aren't here legally if they can't speak English in which case, it is irrelevant. Or do you really want to tell me that people who are legal residents of the US include anything but a handful of people who can't speak some basic level of English?
Do you have any idea of American history?
And to the extent this argument makes any sense it argues against the law. If there's no need why pass another law that forces everyone to take a test?
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Arizona, cause we have just as many stupid old people as Florida!
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I'd let her run. It's going to be hard for her to speak with other people in power that don't speak whatever language she is speaking. I mean I would never vote for her. I would have no idea what she stood for.
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I'd let her run. It's going to be hard for her to speak with other people in power that don't speak whatever language she is speaking. I mean I would never vote for her. I would have no idea what she stood for.
That's because you don't hate democracy and arn't scared to death of Spanish speakers.
To understand Arizona you have to consider it's full of old white people who are desperately afraid that spanish-speaking people may one day come and ask for their land back.
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I'd let her run. It's going to be hard for her to speak with other people in power that don't speak whatever language she is speaking. I mean I would never vote for her. I would have no idea what she stood for.
That's because you don't hate democracy and arn't scared to death of Spanish speakers.
To understand Arizona you have to consider it's full of old white people who are desperately afraid that spanish-speaking people may one day come and ask for their land back.
You continue to state this as fact when it's blatantly wrong. You've been provided some very reasonable positions that you just don't like.
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I'd let her run. It's going to be hard for her to speak with other people in power that don't speak whatever language she is speaking. I mean I would never vote for her. I would have no idea what she stood for.
That's because you don't hate democracy and arn't scared to death of Spanish speakers.
To understand Arizona you have to consider it's full of old white people who are desperately afraid that spanish-speaking people may one day come and ask for their land back.
Generalizations for $1000 Alex...
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There's no possible justification for that law except irrational fear. I've been told here by supporters that:
1. It doesn't even matter because no one who can't speak English could be here legally anyhow.
2. We can't afford to provide them an interpreter. Meanwhile the cost to pass the law and administer the tests is undoubtedly higher than the cost of providing an interpreter in the rare case it might be needed.
3. That English is the "native" tongue of Arizona.
You can tell it's about irrational fear because these same people never apply their arguments to other things like understanding of math or civics or constitutional law or any other things at least as important to someone's ability to serve in elected office.
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I think it absurd there are those here who apparently believe this to be a bad decision?
Regardless of the office you hold, be it city, county, state, or federal - the laws, regulations, taxes, fees and ordinances you will be called upon to either draft or vote upon will all be in English.
If you do not have the ability to comprehensively speak, read and write the language your work will be conducted in, you have no business doing that work.
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Doesn't surprise me Koneg is also on the side of big government administering tests to determine whether someone is good enough to run for office or not.
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Until we have a national language (or even a state language) then I don't see how it's even legal. I think its a dumb condition, but its not my dumb state. I live in another dumb state. So do whatever you want there.
lol Yuki the test thing is dumb. Here read this page aloud. Okay you passed or okay you failed.
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Someone incapable of reading, writing or even comprehending the language they will be performing 100% of their work in is utterly useless.
It doesn't surprise me that Yuki is on the side of useless government.
I should run for Japanese office. I'm sure I could be quite effective as they Mayor of Tokyo.
What do you mean I need to speak the language!? YOU RACIST BASTARD! 
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That's a pretty strange opinion.
I worked for a Korean company off and on for years, my boss there didn't speak a word of English (though he was fluent in about 5 other languages), I didn't speak a word of Korean. Didn't keep us from getting work done. He had some very expressive, and funny, hand gestures btw.
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It would probably be illegal under the federal constitution if the feds tried to do it for federal office because of the privileges and immunities clause of the 14th amendment. But they're interpreted that in a stupid way to only apply to federal privileges and immunities and not state ones so it'd have to be challenged under equal protection and that's a harder argument to make.
I think she should try to take it to the U.S. Supreme Court anyhow but I doubt she'd win.
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lol Yuki the test thing is dumb. Here read this page aloud. Okay you passed or okay you failed.
I will bet dollars to donuts they probably spent tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars designing the test.
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That looks like a fantastic law! Let it be done!
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I should run for Japanese office. I'm sure I could be quite effective as they Mayor of Tokyo.
Sony is run by a guy who doesn't speak Japanese. Or at least didn't speak much before he took the job. I don't know if he's learned since.
Your point is beyond stupid.
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Sony is run by a guy who doesn't speak Japanese. Or at least didn't speak much before he took the job. I don't know if he's learned since.
So, Sony makes and enforces the laws and ordinaces in Tokyo? Really?
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My point is beyond stupid.
Don't let that stop you...
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I should run for Japanese office. I'm sure I could be quite effective as they Mayor of Tokyo.
Sony is run by a guy who doesn't speak Japanese. Or at least didn't speak much before he took the job. I don't know if he's learned since.
Your point is beyond stupid.
Sony is an international corporation.
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multibillion dollars businesses are run by people who don't speak the language most of the employees speak and they do fine but there is no way in hell a mayor of a smallish town can run the town - where most people probably speak spanish - if she doesn't speak English!!11
You're a clown. This is seriously the worst POSSIBLE way to defend the law. Interpreters are not some fancy newfangled invention.
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You should vote for this ordinance. It's GRATE!
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lol Yuki the test thing is dumb. Here read this page aloud. Okay you passed or okay you failed.
I will bet dollars to donuts they probably spent tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars designing the test.
Of course they will. This is the government, an entity run by morons. But that argument is dumb in my opinion. I would stick with the other stronger arguments.
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Sony is an international corporation.
He's in charge of the whole company. Not just the international division.
You would have marched in there and told Sony they didn't have a right to hire a non-Japanese speaking manager because they couldn't possibly know what they were doing better than you, the government, does.
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Cabrera, a U.S. citizen born in Yuma, Arizona, declined to comment immediately after the ruling, but an attorney for the candidate said she would speak to reporters on Wednesday.
Though Cabrera was born in Yuma, she moved to Mexico when she was young and spent much of her childhood there. She returned to Arizona for the last three years of high school, eventually graduating from Yuma's public Kofa High School.
So she could graduate high school in Yuma but somehow be unable to communicate with people in her community? The article also says.
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Cabrera acknowledged to Reuters that her command of English was not perfect but said she can read it, understand and respond. During the interview, she spoke with intensity and passion, but sometimes in the wrong tense, or with the order of words scrambled.
This complete bullshit. A racist law from a racist state.
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Are you going to vote for my proposed ordinance or not Yuki?
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Odds are the majority of them aren't here legally if they can't speak English in which case, it is irrelevant. Or do you really want to tell me that people who are legal residents of the US include anything but a handful of people who can't speak some basic level of English?
Do you have any idea of American history?
And to the extent this argument makes any sense it argues against the law. If there's no need why pass another law that forces everyone to take a test?
People are scared shitless Yuki and they believe what the box is telling them about who the next door boogey man is today.
That's why the system is failing on such a massive scale right now. There are no good people left to do the right thing or spread the right message. (IMHO)
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lol Yuki the test thing is dumb. Here read this page aloud. Okay you passed or okay you failed.
I will bet dollars to donuts they probably spent tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars designing the test.
Of course they will. This is the government, an entity run by morons. But that argument is dumb in my opinion. I would stick with the other stronger arguments.
It's not a main argument. It's just funny to see people justifying the law on the basis of cost savings when it probably costs way more than it "saves." Because how many places are really going to elect mayors who need interpreters? But meanwhile you have to spend tons of money designing and administering the test.
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Are you going to vote for my proposed ordinance or not Yuki?
You know, I have this amazing thing called a dictionary. And if that doesn't work, I have this even more amazing thing called asking an interpreter to translate the document. Which probably happens anyway, since in my town many of the people speak Spanish too so we need translations of anything important anyhow.
And if I really, really can't figure things out I'll call up Howard Stringer and ask what he does when he gets reports written in Japanese that he needs to comment on.
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Sony is an international corporation.
He's in charge of the whole company. Not just the international division.
You would have marched in there and told Sony they didn't have a right to hire a non-Japanese speaking manager because they couldn't possibly know what they were doing better than you, the government, does.
I didn't say he was over just the international division. But there is a HUGE difference between a FOR PROFIT, International corporation hiring a CEO who doesn't speak the language of the country the corporation is incorporated and a local/county/state/federal political position regardless of country.
Again, I know you know this but for whatever reason, you WANT to debate this subject.
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I have this even more amazing thing called asking an interpreter to translate the document.
Then we should be electing the interpreter.
You're finally catching on! 
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Because your argument is so clearly ridiculous.
If you think it's important don't vote for her. If the people of the town want to vote for her anyway, what right do you have to tell them they can't because she doesn't measure up to your standards?
All your arguments are "it'd be a bad idea to elect her." We don't normally strip people of their right to run for office because we think they'd be bad at the job.
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Koneg posted:
Then we should be electing the interpreter.
You're finally catching on!
Seriously. That is probably the single dumbest thing I've read on the Outpost all month.
Send Sony a letter. Tell them they should fire their CEO and hire his interpreter to be the CEO instead.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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Then we should be electing the interpreter.
You're finally catching on!
Seriously. That is probably the single dumbest thing I've read on the Outpost all month.
If you want to keep these things off the Outpost you should probably vote for the ordinance I presented.
It says "Yukishiro is here-by elected Dictator for life and Lord of the Outpost."
You should vote for it.
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Judges and juries sometimes need interpreters in court cases. We should get rid of judges and juries and just have the interpreters decide things instead.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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I should run for Japanese office. I'm sure I could be quite effective as they Mayor of Tokyo.
Sony is run by a guy who doesn't speak Japanese. Or at least didn't speak much before he took the job. I don't know if he's learned since.
Your point is beyond stupid.
I didn't know Sony only had offices in Japan! And only sold product to Japanese folk..
Learn something new every day.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Koneg posted:
Then we should be electing the interpreter.
You're finally catching on!
Seriously. That is probably the single dumbest thing I've read on the Outpost all month.
Send Sony a letter. Tell them they should fire their CEO and hire his interpreter to be the CEO instead.
Wai..we should, with tax payer dollars, hire an INTERPRETER for a non English speaking Mayor?
WTF world do you live in?
ANd you comparing that to a FOR PROFIT company doing the same is beyond stupid.
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Here's an idea: Let the people decide this at the ballot box.
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What if she was a deaf/mute whose native language would have been Polish?
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Kamdar posted:
Wai..we should, with tax payer dollars, hire an INTERPRETER for a non English speaking Mayor?
You guys almost certainly spend way more on this law than you would have saved. Because no one is likely to ever be elected who needs an interpreter, but you have to design the test and give it to every single candidate for elected office.
Also, it would be the tax money of the people who voted to elect the person. So if they voted for them that's probably a pretty good sign they think they're good enough for the job even if it means another dollar in taxes each to pay for the interpreter.
So basically you are wrong about every single thing you've claimed in this thread. Congratulations.
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What if she was a deaf/mute whose native language would have been Polish?
Exactly. That's why its a dumb law.
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Kamdar posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
Koneg posted:
Then we should be electing the interpreter.
You're finally catching on!
Seriously. That is probably the single dumbest thing I've read on the Outpost all month.
Send Sony a letter. Tell them they should fire their CEO and hire his interpreter to be the CEO instead.
RUN THE GOVERNMENT LIKE A BUSINESS!!! unless we are talking about brown people...lets keep them out.
If a majority of voters want this person to represent them, it should happen.
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RWNs on economic regulation posted:
Some gubmint bereaucrat shouldn't be telling me what to do! Personal freedom!
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The gubmint shouldn't be telling me I can't spend money to elect my candidate! Personal freedom!
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If people make bad financial choices they should just suck it up and not expect any help from the gubmint. It's their own fault and that's what personal freedom is all about!
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Some government bereaucrat should determine whether someone is fit to run for elected office. Especially if they're brown. People can't be trusted to make the choices themselves at the ballot box. People must be protected from their own choices.
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Ptilk posted:
What if she was a deaf/mute whose native language would have been Polish?
That would be a white person who doesnt speak spanish....so the vocal minority would be perfectly fine with her.
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Arguing that English is the language she'll be working with as a good excuse to exclude her is stupid.
She'll have plenty of time to translate any proposals and review them before she needs to vote, and interpreters aren't that expensive. I'm sure the city already has plenty of Spanish interpreters employed that she could use.
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It's a town of 25,000 people literally on the border - as in, the fence goes through the middle of the city.
Who wants to bet that having a mayor who didn't speak spanish would probably be a bigger impediment to doing the job than having one who didn't speak english?
"The racial makeup of the city was 4.02% White, 2.95% Black or African American, 1.46% Native American, 0.16% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander,and 2.26% from two or more races. 89.13% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race."
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