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Gay or no Gay?
I think they agree with the Federal Judge and it gets punted to the SCOTUS.
One way or another it will all be over sometime this year or next.
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And, ruling upheld.
On to the SCOTUS where I think it will go Gay marriages way and not 5-4.
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I don't know what you're talking about but I hope we get gay marriage nationwide sooner rather than later. As far as I'm concerned it's already guaranteed by the Constitution.
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Could get conservatives in quite a froth if SCOTUS takes the case before election day. 
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Bowlartz posted:
And, ruling upheld.
On to the SCOTUS where I think it will go Gay marriages way and not 5-4.
Agreed.
7 - 2 for Gay Marriage.
Scalia and Thomas object. Scalia writes the dissenting opinion and uses the opportunity to flame his colleagues on the bench.
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Libtards love to complain that the court is conservative. If SCOTUS votes 7-2 for gay marriage that will prove libtards wrong yet again.
Which will make it all the more sweet when they crush Obamacare.
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Government needs to get out of the marriage business. If it decides to approve homosexual relationships then it must also approve polygamy and polyandry. It it doesn't then the entire system is a proven cultural Marxist farce being perpetrated on the American people.
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If it decides to approve homosexual relationships then it must also approve polygamy and polyandry.
It does not have to.
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Libtards love to complain that the court is conservative. If SCOTUS votes 7-2 for gay marriage that will prove libtards wrong yet again.
Every week paul has a new definition for the word 'conservative'. 
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The government should get out of the marriage business. Marriage should just be a contract.
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Scarne posted:
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If it decides to approve homosexual relationships then it must also approve polygamy and polyandry.
It does not have to.
Why doesn't it? Why would the rights of two people be greater than three? And for all intents and purposes the relationship could be considered between two people at any one time.
I see no legal basis for the idea that if same sex marriage is approved that polygamy can not be.
It doesn't change my view as to how the ruling will go, just curious as to what the difference between consenting adults is since that would be the standard.
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theredkay1 posted:
paulg_68 posted:
Libtards love to complain that the court is conservative. If SCOTUS votes 7-2 for gay marriage that will prove libtards wrong yet again.
Every week paul has a new definition for the word 'conservative'.
What's my definition this week?
Do tell.
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If it decides to approve homosexual relationships then it must also approve polygamy and polyandry.
Why?
Im pretty sure that basic math still holds in your world. 2 does not equal 3.
Why doesnt allowing people with different color hair to marry require the approval of polygamy and polyandry?
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But it isn't just a contract and people will never treat it just like a contract. That line is just more pie in the sky nonsense from people out of touch with reality.
Contract law is set up for a situation where there are two disinterested parties of roughly equally bargaining power both looking to guard their own interests. Marriage is about as far as you can possibly get from that.
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paulg_68 posted:
Libtards love to complain that the court is conservative. If SCOTUS votes 7-2 for gay marriage that will prove libtards wrong yet again.
Which will make it all the more sweet when they crush Obamacare.
So the court being conservative or not hinges on its ruling in one case?
Solid thinking there brah.
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"Why?
Im pretty sure that basic math still holds in your world. 2 does not equal 3."
So if three people are in a consenting, loving relationship their rights don't apply as if they were only two? Why would they be denied their right to privacy, happiness etc?
No, I see no legal basis to restrict marriage in any form short of age (due to established rule of contract) if same sex marriage is approved.
Multiple people can enter into a contract.
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theredkay1 posted:
Why doesnt allowing people with different color hair to marry require the approval of polygamy and polyandry?
Why do you hate freedom?
Oh wait, I know. You're a member of the Taliban. 
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"Why?
Im pretty sure that basic math still holds in your world. 2 does not equal 3."
So if three people are in a consenting, loving relationship their rights don't apply as if they were only two? Why would they be denied their right to privacy, happiness etc?
No, I see no legal basis to restrict marriage in any form short of age (due to established rule of contract) if same sex marriage is approved.
Multiple people can enter into a contract.
I dont disagree. The argument for polygamy does not hinge on gay marriage.
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Why doesn't it? Why would the rights of two people be greater than three? And for all intents and purposes the relationship could be considered between two people at any one time.
I see no legal basis for the idea that if same sex marriage is approved that polygamy can not be.
It doesn't change my view as to how the ruling will go, just curious as to what the difference between consenting adults is since that would be the standard.
Simply because "hetero marriage" sets the precedent. If gay marriage results in polygamous marriage, it follows that "hetero marriage" between one woman and one man leads logically to polygamy.
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paulg_68 posted:
theredkay1 posted:
paulg_68 posted:
Libtards love to complain that the court is conservative. If SCOTUS votes 7-2 for gay marriage that will prove libtards wrong yet again.
Every week paul has a new definition for the word 'conservative'.
What's my definition this week?
Do tell.
If you are against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation...you are apparently not in the 'conservative' boat.
Were you not following your post?
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So then you wouldn't describe that as a conservative characteristic?
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WTF... should a court be political at all?
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No. It's selected and approved by politicians though so it is very political.
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Why doesn't it? Why would the rights of two people be greater than three? And for all intents and purposes the relationship could be considered between two people at any one time.
I see no legal basis for the idea that if same sex marriage is approved that polygamy can not be.
It doesn't change my view as to how the ruling will go, just curious as to what the difference between consenting adults is since that would be the standard.
They could base it on the "Full Faith and Credit" clause. Since some states have made gay marriage legal, other states cannot ban the legality of those gay marriages. Polygamy isn't legal in any states, so this interpretation wouldn't (at least not immediately) open it up as well.
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"They could base it on the "Full Faith and Credit" clause. Since some states have made gay marriage legal, other states cannot ban the legality of those gay marriages. Polygamy isn't legal in any states, so this interpretation wouldn't (at least not immediately) open it up as well. grin"
They could but then that would sure put a lot of gun laws into flux. One state allows open carry, one state doesn't, one requires a license but another state won't honor it....etc.
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"They could base it on the "Full Faith and Credit" clause. Since some states have made gay marriage legal, other states cannot ban the legality of those gay marriages. Polygamy isn't legal in any states, so this interpretation wouldn't (at least not immediately) open it up as well. grin"
They could but then that would sure put a lot of gun laws into flux. One state allows open carry, one state doesn't, one requires a license but another state won't honor it....etc.
It is normal for gun licenses to be valid only within the borders of the originating state. It isn't normal for marriage licenses to only be valid within the borders of the originating state.
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"It is normal for gun licenses to be valid only within the borders of the originating state. It isn't normal for marriage licenses to only be valid within the borders of the originating state. grin"
I wasn't aware that "normal" rose to a legal standard because if that is the standard than gay marriage only being legal in 5 states is abnormal and the exception to the rule.
The logical shoe doesn't say that gay marriage is ok for all the reasons its supporters use without saying polygamy is also ok.
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I wasn't aware that "normal" rose to a legal standard because if that is the standard than gay marriage only being legal in 5 states is abnormal and the exception to the rule.
The logical shoe doesn't say that gay marriage is ok for all the reasons its supporters use without saying polygamy is also ok.
"Normal" is sometimes used as a legal standard when deciding court cases when the law on the books doesn't adequately cover the case. Heck, anti-pornography laws typically have to be judged by such rules as sometimes nudity is art and not pornographic, but people "know it when they see it". So what is pornography and what is not is judged by the "normal" standards of society and can even change over time.
Does California accept marriage licenses from Vermont? If so, it "should" have to accept them all, not pick and choose which ones are valid.
Yes, this would allow polygamy to be legal as well, but the first step would be that a state would have to legalize it. Until that happens, we don't have to worry about this potentially being a precedent.
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The church should get out of the marriage business. Marriage should just be a contract.
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Government needs to get out of the marriage business.
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