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It played in Michigan during the super bowl, I honestly didn't even notice it as it at the time, but I see that it is gaining some headlines as racist.
We have a crappy battle brewing for a senate seat this year.
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Is it racist and why?
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No its not racist.
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If you replaced her with a black, Jew, Mexican, white or anything else then yes, it would be considered racist. But because it targets "Asians" and specifically Chinese people, its not.
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/shrug
I can't tell, any pics of her in a bikini?
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do you tards even know what 'racism' means?
talking with an accent is not racism
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*Cue Bearded Yamulka Wearing Man*
Man: Thank you, Michigan Goy Deborah the Spend It, you schpend SO much American money and borrow more and more, from us! ...
Yeah, somehow I don't think that would fly.
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It's rowdown dirty wacism at its worst!
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It's rowdown dirty wacism at its worst!
Hilarious, everyone lined up and called me a racist (I think poet had a class 10 meltdown) when I said something like "dass rayciss!" and "dem frie chikin, deys good"
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she should have talked AMERICUN 
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The part you're all missing is that no one in China actually speaks English like that. She's not speaking with an accent, she's speaking in American caricature. "Dat ho be lovin muh dik n' sheeit", is not. It's how many real black people speak.
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have you never seen a Jackie Chan movie?
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He's from Hong Kong where they speak a different "language", but he still doesn't sound anything like that girl.
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The accent is fine. The fact that she looks like a member of the VietKong from some 1980's Chuck Norris flick is clearly the bigger issue.
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That and the gong makes it perfect. The fact that most Americans don't consider any kind of attack on "Asians" and especially Chinese to be racist doesn't mean it isn't racist. It obviously is. The fact that almost all Chinese people don't care also doesn't make it not racist. I found the ad to be extremely predictable and of some comedic value and that was it.
In America logic goes out the window though, it's all about grievance and noise.
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It is not racist as much as openly hostile to China.
They would have been better off using a Foxconn employee which appeals to the same hatred of the Chinese regime while also appealing to their empathy for the working people.
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Why Chinese Cannot Speak English Well
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They're more or less the same thing, though. American hostility toward China is mostly rooted in racial hatred, with some Christian nuttery sprinkled in. They just disguise this obvious fact with lies about culture, politics and the economy.
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The only way someone would think that wasn't racist was if they themselves were so utterly racist that they couldn't detect its presence.
It's like asking a guy who pours salt on every single thing he eats if this sausage you just made is 'salty'. He's so inured in salt that he'll happily say 'No, not at all!'. 
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They're more or less the same thing, though. American hostility toward China is mostly rooted in racial hatred, with some Christian nuttery sprinkled in. They just disguise this obvious fact with lies about culture, politics and the economy.
I have no clue wtf you are talking about honestly. China as a country sucks but Chinese people and culture are cool.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Why Chinese Cannot Speak English Well
he talks slow but 
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The message of this clip is that a young Asian girl riding a bike through a rice paddy can threaten the economy of the US and take your job away. That's pretty fuckin pathetic for Americans.
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
dae_trist posted:
They're more or less the same thing, though. American hostility toward China is mostly rooted in racial hatred, with some Christian nuttery sprinkled in. They just disguise this obvious fact with lies about culture, politics and the economy.
I have no clue wtf you are talking about honestly. China as a country sucks but Chinese people and culture are cool.
China as a country is doing a good job for a developing nation. But your views are your own.
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The message of this clip is that a young Asian girl riding a bike through a rice paddy can threaten the economy of the US and take your job away. That's pretty fuckin standard for Americans.
fix'd!
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China as a country is doing a good job for a developing nation. But your views are your own.
Yeah by manipulating US currency, pissing all over their environment, and treating workers like crap.
The US stomachs the BS because we also believe that eventually economic growth will lead to cultural revolution.
Many people in the US actually believe in the Decleration of Independence and feels it applies to everyone, including the Chinese. The fact that the Chinese government doesn't believe in it is why they suck.
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Yeah by manipulating US currency
You have got to be kidding me. People who print trillions in a few days calling others currency manipulators?
As for everything else, they treat their workers far better than other developing nations do. As for the environment, it's standard industrialization + dust storms.
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Many people in the US actually believe in the Decleration of Independence and feels it applies to everyone, including the Chinese.
Excluding the Iraqis, Afghans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Iranians, Saudis, Egyptians, Chileans, Spaniards, Indonesians, Argentines, Cubans, Venezuelans, Congolese, Haitians and everyone else the US has terrorized or helped terrorize in the past, of course.
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The message of this clip is that a young Asian girl riding a bike through a rice paddy can threaten the economy of the US and take your job away. That's pretty fuckin standard for Americans.
fix'd!
As far as I know, that was shot in Sacramento.
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You have got to be kidding me. People who print trillions in a few days calling others currency manipulators?
As for everything else, they treat their workers far better than other developing nations do. As for the environment, it's standard industrialization + dust storms.
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The message of this clip is that a young Asian girl riding a bike through a rice paddy can threaten the economy of the US and take your job away. That's pretty fuckin pathetic for Americans.
Ummm no thats not the message. The message is that her economy is better than America's because we keep borrowing money and the guy that wants you to vote for him will try to make our economy better than hers again by not borrowing more money from china.
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I personally think you are asking the wrong question. Well, at least if you are trying to get to the root of the problem here. If you are asking questions to lead discussion down a pre-determined path, it's a great question.
As someone pointed out yesterday, your line of questioning here is a variation on the 'no true scotsman' fallacy.
Instead of asking if it's culturally insensitive and offensive, go directly to the race card and ask if it's racism. Then move the goalposts on what constitutes racism if anyone gets close to the goalline. Meanwhile we lose track of the fact that the commercial is offensive and a bad way to advertise to US voters. Inevitably, we'll wander around to bemoaning the fact that only white people are victims of racism nowadays.
It's republican water-carrying 101.
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The message of this clip is that a young Asian girl riding a bike through a rice paddy can threaten the economy of the US and take your job away. That's pretty fuckin pathetic for Americans.
Ummm no thats not the message. The message is that her economy is better than America's because we keep borrowing money and the guy that wants you to vote for him will try to make our economy better than hers again by not borrowing more money from china.
That's what you saw. I thought the commercial was hysterical in more ways than one.
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I don't know what I'm talking about, so I'm gonna be like Tych and use an emoticon
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The message of this clip is that a young Asian girl riding a bike through a rice paddy can threaten the economy of the US and take your job away. That's pretty fuckin pathetic for Americans.
Ummm no thats not the message. The message is that her economy is better than America's because we keep borrowing money and the guy that wants you to vote for him will try to make our economy better than hers again by not borrowing more money from china.
If that's his message, it proves that he's a fucktard and doesn't know how the American economy actually works.
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dae_trist posted:
PhillsburyBandit posted:
Rosaria posted:
The message of this clip is that a young Asian girl riding a bike through a rice paddy can threaten the economy of the US and take your job away. That's pretty fuckin pathetic for Americans.
Ummm no thats not the message. The message is that her economy is better than America's because we keep borrowing money and the guy that wants you to vote for him will try to make our economy better than hers again by not borrowing more money from china.
If that's his message, it proves that he's a fucktard and doesn't know how the American economy actually works.
Yeah I know.
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Things this commercial is:
Stupid
Misguided
Misleading
Moderately inappropriate
Somewhat insensitive
Stupid
Expected
Stupid
Things this commercial is not:
Racist
Things this commercial needed but lacked:
Hot asian tits.
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He just can't win with this one!
It's like the Rick Perry brokeback mountain ad.
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I thought the commercial was hysterical in more ways than one.
I believe we may be on the same page. The commercial was both absurdly stupid as well as pretty damned funny. It was funny mostly because it was so damned stupid.
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There are at least two attempts at humor in this ad. Only one is racial.
The first attempt at humor is the suggestion that this democrat is some kind of hero among the chinese. That's not racist.
The other attempt at humor is a big smiling chinese girl in city clothes riding a bike through a rice paddy speaking with a bad accent. These are obvious racial stereotypes that are at best unfunny and at worst blatantly racist.
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I thought the commercial was hysterical in more ways than one.
I believe we may be on the same page. The commercial was both absurdly stupid as well as pretty damned funny. It was funny mostly because it was so damned stupid.
It was damned stupid and clumsy, and yes, that made it funny to me.
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I can't tell, any pics of her in a bikini?
This, I need to make a more informed decision.
me love her long time.
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If it was a contest to see how many ignorant stereotypes you can put into one commercial, he's succeeding.
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I personally think you are asking the wrong question. Well, at least if you are trying to get to the root of the problem here. If you are asking questions to lead discussion down a pre-determined path, it's a great question.
As someone pointed out yesterday, your line of questioning here is a variation on the 'no true scotsman' fallacy.
Instead of asking if it's culturally insensitive and offensive, go directly to the race card and ask if it's racism. Then move the goalposts on what constitutes racism if anyone gets close to the goalline. Meanwhile we lose track of the fact that the commercial is offensive and a bad way to advertise to US voters. Inevitably, we'll wander around to bemoaning the fact that only white people are victims of racism nowadays.
It's republican water-carrying 101.
Imo.
That was really well said. Bravo.
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I actually scrolled up to see the rest of the conversation and whom he was talking to.
Then I realized it was his only post, and that Tali was only responding to the voices in his head and an imaginary predetermined conversation about all things repub.
Then it made sense.
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Racist? No.
Xenophobic? You betcha.
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Yeah by manipulating US currency
You have got to be kidding me. People who print trillions in a few days calling others currency manipulators?
I dont think you understand the currency manipulation charge.
The Chinese gov't is printing trillions of Yuan and using them to push the value of the dollar up.
The US gov't prints trillions and buys stuff from banks allowing the banks to figure out what to do with those trillions.
Everybody is printing trillions....but they are doing very different things.
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The US gov't prints trillions and buys stuff from banks allowing the banks to figure out what to do with those trillions.
Yez, an excellent example of sound monetary policy.
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I actually scrolled up to see the rest of the conversation and whom he was talking to.
Then I realized it was his only post, and that Tali was only responding to the voices in his head and an imaginary predetermined conversation about all things repub.
Then it made sense.
I'm making an observation about how the story is playing out in the press. You are pushing along a meme started by someone else. My comments were directed at the genesis of that meme.
Busy day yesterday, didn't have lots of time to provide context. Mea culpa.
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It is not racist as much as openly hostile to China.
This. Its also entertaining, to me at least, that Dae_twat needs to defend China at every little slight.
Could you imagine if every American on this board defended the US at every perceived slight?
Grow some skin Dae_twat. You'll lose some of that anger.
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NO! No extra skin and no anger loss for the twatter please. He is the gift that keeps on giving.
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It is not racist as much as openly hostile to China.
This. Its also entertaining, to me at least, that Dae_twat needs to defend China at every little slight.
I absolutely understand where Dae is coming from in this thread but I saw it much differently than he did, which I explained above. In fact I thought it was so funny I sent a copy of the vid to Xinhua.
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It is not racist as much as openly hostile to China.
This. Its also entertaining, to me at least, that Dae_twat needs to defend China at every little slight.
I absolutely understand where Dae is coming from in this thread but I saw it much differently than he did, which I explained above. In fact I thought it was so funny I sent a copy of the vid to Xinhua.
It's EVERY thread where China is mentioned in ANY kind of negative light. It's like some weird bat signal to him and he has some super thin skin that makes him super easy to troll. Which is the crux of my post.
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[quote=Sin_of_Onin]It is not racist as much as openly hostile to China.
This. Its also entertaining, to me at least, that Dae_twat needs to defend China at every little slight.
I absolutely understand where Dae is coming from in this thread but I saw it much differently than he did, which I explained above. In fact I thought it was so funny I sent a copy of the vid to Xinhua.
It's EVERY thread where China is mentioned in ANY kind of negative light. It's like some weird bat signal to him and he has some super thin skin that makes him super easy to troll. Which is the crux of my post.[/quote]
I said it was funny like Rosaria did. The thing is, it is racist, but no one cares.
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It is not racist as much as openly hostile to China.
This. Its also entertaining, to me at least, that Dae_twat needs to defend China at every little slight.
Could you imagine if every American on this board defended the US at every perceived slight?
Grow some skin Dae_twat. You'll lose some of that anger.
You're a huge pussy that cries gallons of tears every time I post anything, just like Moe. Hilarious, I made Moe run off crying last thread and scream at the mods to come save him. He didn't come back.
And yes, every American on the board does "defend" the US at every perceived slight. You get into hissy fits and girl fights with Mammo over the Germans in a pool picture. The difference is that the charges against China are not "slights". They're outright slander and egregious lies. If someone were to say America was gassing all of its blacks, I would also speak up - because it'd be utterly retarded to believe it.
I argue against stupidity, not comments. That's why you and Moe are so offended.
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Is she chinese? Or vietnamese? Maybe its a chinese person speaking in an american accent making fun of vietnamese people.?
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I said it was funny like Rosaria did. The thing is, it is racist, but no one cares.
Some people do...
Pete Hoekstra’s ad raises ire in China — and a sense of deja vu
"The now-infamous Super Bowl ad by Michigan senate candidate Pete Hoekstra has attracted as much curiosity as outright criticism here in China, the intended “subject†of the ad.
However, a second feeling accompanied the anger: deja vu.
Chinese in general have become largely used to China-bashing during U.S. election campaign season. The last congressional cycle, in 2010, saw a torrent of ads accusing China of stealing American jobs and forcing U.S. factories to close.
The popular Web site Shanghaiist called the ad “creepy†and “racist.â€
Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency, played it straight with a news report about the controversy. But the first sentence of the story referred to the commercial as “a racially charged political advertisement run by former U.S. Congressman Pete Hoekstra during the Super Bowl.â€
Well-known blogger and Internet freedom campaigner Michael Anti weighed in on his Twitter account @mranti, saying, “I think the problem with the ad is that it’s racist, not anti-Chinese. As a Chinese I should be amused by this ad, because it seems more like Southeast Asia. But Chinese in America are easily enraged by that sort of prejudicial defamation of the image of a Chinese woman. Also, her English is not the Chinglish of a Mainland Chinese.†(Enter Jackie Chan)
And, Hoekstra’s ad-makers apparently even got some of the Chinese characters wrong. On the Web site for the ad, the Chinese characters for “Great Wall of Debt†are wrong, according to Washington Post researcher Liu Liu in Beijing. Also, the ad oddly uses traditional Chinese characters more typical in Taiwan, instead of the simplified characters in use in mainland China."
In short, a fuck up from the first gong.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/pete-hoekstras-ad-raises-ire-in-china--and-a-sense-of-deja-vu/2012/02/08/gIQAayn1yQ_blog.html
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You're a huge pussy that cries gallons of tears every time I post anything, just like Moe.
You are a gap wounded vagina anytime anything is posted about China.
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And yes, every American on the board does "defend" the US at every perceived slight.
So laughable it's sad.
You are the most thinned skinned person on this board bar none. Nothing you say will redeem you of that. Everyone knows you are a thin skinned racist that can't help himself defend China at the mere slight.
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Looks like Vietnam, not China. And I've never heard a Chinese person speak that way.
It's clearly playing on all sorts of racist stereotypes. It isn't openly hostile to China. It's openly hostile to anything "Asian." Because nothing in the ad looks Chinese at all.
What it really shows is that Hoekstra and his ad makers are so dumb they don't even know what China looks like or what Chinese people talk like.
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Twatter trying to project his butthurt onto others.
Oh noes, the 'Official' chinese news agency is not happy about the ad. /panic
Yuki no doubt the commercial has bias, but I in no way see that as towards Asians in general.
The accent is awful but it is precisely in there so the sentiment is NOT aimed at asians in general.
If they wanted to do that just have her speaking with a Jersey accent, or something else as absurd. But its not.
Its a 30 second clip and half of that is the candidates speaking, so they have a very short time to convey the message they want.
While I don't view it as definition racist I understand it is abrasive enough to offend some.
Some will always go one side or the other, this has been true in this thread as well. I wanted to gauge the middle ground people to see what they thought of it.
Most of them seem to be of the same opinion I am: that the message, while clumsy, is aimed at our spending and at China's policies, not the chinese race.
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Looks like Vietnam, not China. And I've never heard a Chinese person speak that way.
I expected Sylvester Stallone to leap out from behind her and steal her bike and non la.
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Yuki no doubt the commercial has bias, but I in no way see that as towards Asians in general.
The accent is awful but it is precisely in there so the sentiment is NOT aimed at asians in general.
If they wanted to do that just have her speaking with a Jersey accent, or something else as absurd. But its not.
Its a 30 second clip and half of that is the candidates speaking, so they have a very short time to convey the message they want.
But they got it all wrong. It would be like having an anti-german commercial where the people speak with a french accent and you can see Pamplona's bullfighting ring in the background.
They might not have meant it to be a racist commerical but it ended up that way because they were so ignorant and racist that they didn't know how to signifiy "Chinese" except with racist anti-Asian stereotypes.
If you really wanted it to be an anti-Chinese message have a real chinese person speaking real chinese and subtitle it.
But then no one would get it because the intended audience is too fat and stupid to read subtitles.
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Looks like Vietnam, not China.
I'd say Laotian or Thai...
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Could be almost anywhere in southeast asia. It very clearly doesn't look much like China, though.
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Could be almost anywhere in southeast asia. It very clearly doesn't look much like China, though.
Talking abotu the lady or the location?
Lady - yeah SE Asian for sure or at least that's her heritage. Location, I thought I heard something about Sacramento
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Well both. But not really talking about where it was really filmed but the atmosphere it's trying to evoke. That backdrop doesn't look like China and she doesn't look Chinese.
They either tried to evoke general asian stereotypes and succeeded or tried to evoke specifically chinese stereotypes and failed miserably because they were too stupid and ignorant to know what they were doing.
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Well both. But not really talking about where it was really filmed but the atmosphere it's trying to evoke. That backdrop doesn't look like China and she doesn't look Chinese.
true dat
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They either tried to evoke general asian stereotypes and succeeded or tried to evoke specifically chinese stereotypes and failed miserably because they were too stupid and ignorant to know what they were doing.
I was trying to find her name and was reading some research about the whole fiasco. Apparently there is a huge Laos population in the district, pretty sure this is all going to completely backfire...
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I don't think Hoekstra or his people cared enough to get all the nuances correctly. It appears all he cared about was portraying someone that is Asian as Chinese to get his point across. The people he was aiming at also don't care about the nuances just about putting a face to China even if it is the wrong face.
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I don't think Hoekstra or his people cared enough to get all the nuances correctly. It appears all he cared about was portraying someone that is Asian as Chinese to get his point across. The people he was aiming at also don't care about the nuances just about putting a face to China even if it is the wrong face.
Which is where the racism comes from. They just wanted any old asian and any old asian-looking backdrop and any old stereotypical asian accent for her to speak in. It didn't really matter. All they were going for is asian = chinese = bad.
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I think they were going for...
China = bad for America
They could have shown a map of China, but they needed to put a face to it. I think it was more ignorant than racist. Is Hoekstra a racist? Beats me I've never heard of the guy until this thread.
Is the ad a racist ad? Not in the definition of the word. Is it ignorant? Yes.
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They just wanted any old asian
old? Dat woman is smoking hot!!!
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Is the ad a racist ad? Not in the definition of the word. Is it ignorant? Yes.
I think it's revealing. The people who made and commissioned the ad were so ignorant the only way they knew to evoke "China" was to evoke general Asian stereotypes.
The lady doesn't look chinese, the backdrop doesn't look chinese, and she doesn't speak the way Chinese people speak English. It is literally all wrong. The only common thread is that it plays on general Asian stereotypes.
I agree it may not have been a deliberate attempt to be racist but what they created was a racist ad because they didn't know any other way to communicate their message except using the language of racial stereotypes.
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Which is where the racism comes from. They just wanted any old asian and any old asian-looking backdrop and any old stereotypical asian accent for her to speak in. It didn't really matter. All they were going for is asian = chinese = bad.
That's silly.
The old spaghetti westerns were called that because they were funded by Italians and used mostly Italian immigrants as extras as they played the Mexican bad guys.
Do you think this fact made them racist against Italians? Against Mexicans? No ofcourse not.
If the commercial has to be pulled apart and have the nuances examined in a search for racism, then it is clear that racism wasn't the intended message of the ad.
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Is she chinese? Or vietnamese? Maybe its a chinese person speaking in an american accent making fun of vietnamese people.?
the question is does she have dirtyknees?
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If one has to think about it then it isn't racism!!!
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The lady doesn't look chinese, the backdrop doesn't look chinese, and she doesn't speak the way Chinese people speak English.
I am 100% positive if you took a northern Italian and an Austrian your average Chinese couldn't tell the difference. I am sure the northern Italian or Austrian might see the subtle difference. An Irishman verses a Scot that your average Chinese couldn't tell the difference either. I am sure the Irishman or Scot might see the subtle difference.
Can you tell the difference between a Dominican and Haitian? I am sure the Dominican and Haitian can. My point being is in a 20-30 second quick ad pointed at middle America where most of those people probably never met a Chinese person couldn't tell the difference.
Ignorant? Yes. Racist? No.
Part of the problem is that most of them people that scream racism and calling other racist don't even know what the definition of the word. They haven't even bothered to look it up. Just what they perceive what is should mean. The word has a specific meaning and I wish people would stop watering it down and lessen it's importance.
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That's silly.
The old spaghetti westerns were called that because they were funded by Italians and used mostly Italian immigrants as extras as they played the Mexican bad guys.
Do you think this fact made them racist against Italians? Against Mexicans? No ofcourse not.
If the commercial has to be pulled apart and have the nuances examined in a search for racism, then it is clear that racism wasn't the intended message of the ad.
That's a strange comparison. Spaghetti westerns didn't have the italian extras dressed like italians speaking with deliberately exaggerated italian accents and always eating spaghetti and meatballs. Which is basically what this ad did.
But I agree that racism probably wasn't the intended message. It just came out that way because the people who made and financed the ad were uniformly idiots who didn't know how to signify "China" except by using anti-Asian stereotypes.
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I was trying to find her name and was reading some research about the whole fiasco. Apparently there is a huge Laos population in the district, pretty sure this is all going to completely backfire...
I'm reading she is Laotian/Chinese. The rest is Vietnam redux.
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My point being is in a 20-30 second quick ad pointed at middle America where most of those people probably never met a Chinese person couldn't tell the difference.
But that is the point. To evoke "China" the ad is using general anti-Asian stereotypes. Whether you want to call that using racial stereotypes or racist or some other word isn't what interests me particularly. The ad clearly relies on general racial stereotypes. Whether it does that because the ad makers are idiots or because of sinister motives I don't know but I'm inclined to think it's just because they're incompetent idiots who couldn't do any better.
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As someone who is stereotyped on a daily basis I think you are being overly sensitive, but we'll just have to disagree here.
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Seriously, what do you think is the overboard part of the ad? The rice patties? The woman? The bicycle?
I thought of mid/SE asia when I saw it.
I did not think of Korea, or Japan, or Mongolia. Maybe some people did. China has been in the news tied to our economy for some time.
For as quick as the ad was I think it inferred enough to point to China in most people's minds without trying to mock Asians in general.
Again I agree it was a clumsy ad, but its a political ad on a minimum budget.
Honestly what I found to be the funniest thing was mr pete 'spend it NOT' spending the cash to do a super bowl ad. THAT is what needs to be thrown at this guy imo.
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Pete Hoekstra has always been a total idiot. He and his bff Rick Santorum have made plenty of culturally and racially insensitive and stupid comments over the years. While I'm sure he intended that crappy ad (that looks like it cost 18 bucks to make) to simply bash China and connect with the mouth breathers who are likely to vote for him by doing so...it was so poorly done, and so blatantly stereotypical with it's anti-Asian imagery and language...that yes, it did cross the line to racist.
Not like he cares, nor will anyone likely to vote for the dick head.
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I have no problem with that woman making my iPhone.
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As someone who is stereotyped on a daily basis I think you are being overly sensitive, but we'll just have to disagree here.
Oh I'm not particularly incensed about it or anything. More amused that the people making the ad were such total morons. But it's just silly to say it isn't evoking asian racial stereotypes because it clearly and unabashedly is. It would be kinda like making an anti-immigration ad with a black guy supposedly from nigeria who speaks and dresses like he came from inner city detroit. Racist? Eh, maybe, maybe not. But clearly drawing on racial stereotypes.
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He clearly should have dressed them all up in polar bear fur and had them sitting in igloos munching on seal fat. That way it wouldn't have been racist but everyone would still know they were Asian. Maybe.
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Twatter trying to project his butthurt onto others.
Oh noes, the 'Official' chinese news agency is not happy about the ad. /panic
Pretty sure no one in China is "unhappy". They're too appalled by the stench coming out of Detroit.
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/meltdown
This is ironic considering you resurrected the thread to cry.
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/shrug
I can't tell, any pics of her in a bikini?
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The lady doesn't look chinese, the backdrop doesn't look chinese, and she doesn't speak the way Chinese people speak English.
I am 100% positive if you took a northern Italian and an Austrian your average Chinese couldn't tell the difference. I am sure the northern Italian or Austrian might see the subtle difference. An Irishman verses a Scot that your average Chinese couldn't tell the difference either. I am sure the Irishman or Scot might see the subtle difference.
If you think Chinese and Southeast Asians are alike in a way Northern Italians and Austrians are alike, you're not any less dumb than the people you're talking about. The difference between the average Chinese person and that girl is like the difference between the average Austrian and a half-Ethiopian, half-Greek.
So yes, the fact that Americans are completely clueless about a region they see themselves as the rightful rulers of says a lot.
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/meltdown
This is ironic considering you resurrected the thread to cry.
What's ironic is that you make yourself look dumb in every thread I'm in in an attempt to score points with retards. I don't see how posting 5 minutes after someone else is resurrecting threads, but then again you do have Moe and Tych's dicks in front of your face.
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3 hours, but whatevs. Can't expect a super IQ pure blood asian person to be able to do basic math. Need hybrid vigor for that.
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Oh yeah, it was like 18 topics down on my page, gotta resurrect them threads or its gonna be buried in like 100 days.
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Carry on crying if you want. It is amusing and does more to discredit racial supremcists than anything I could say or do.
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Carry on crying if you want. It is amusing and does more to discredit racial supremcists than anything I could say or do.
You're the only one crying at this moment, Moe and Tych dried up their tears and moved on. The only racial supremacists here are probably Mammo and NuEM as well as the countless unnamed white inbreds.
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If you think Chinese and Southeast Asians are alike in a way Northern Italians and Austrians are alike, you're not any less dumb than the people you're talking about.
God you are almost too dumb to respond to, but I don't mind because you are like low hanging fruit, I don't have to work hard.
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If you think Chinese and Southeast Asians are alike in a way Northern Italians and Austrians are alike, you're not any less dumb than the people you're talking about.
God you are almost too dumb to respond to, but I don't mind because you are like low hanging fruit, I don't have to work hard. Go reread my post and show me where I said they were alike. I'll wait. You couldn't tell the difference between an Irish or a scot.
If I heard them speaking (in their respective Celtic languages) I would. That and Scots tend to be a little lighter skinned. The point is Scots and Irish are VERY MUCH ALIKE. No one would fault you for being unable to tell the difference between a North Chinese and a Tibetan. You will be faulted for thinking that Southeast Asians and the typical Chinese person is anything alike, physically, culturally and linguistically.
Since you're getting really emotional now I'll just say that you implied SCOT:IRISH as CHINESE:SOUTHEAST ASIAN. I won't blame you for being stupid because just about every American thinks the same. They're retarded.
I'm pretty sure most Chinese people would be able to tell the difference between a half-white Ethiopian and a full-blown ginger from Ireland.
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OMG WILL SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE THE MEAN SCARY CHINA MAN STOP HIS HIGH IQ ABUSE OF ME! AND HAND ME ANOTHER TISSUE!
I'll give you a tissue if I don't get AIDS from it!
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Dae_twat you are such a liar and a thinned skin racist!
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Dae_twat you are such a liar and a thinned skin racist!
You and Moe are the ones spilling gallons of man-strual fluid all over our monitors. People outside of the Moe/Yuki/Tych clusterfuck would generally agree that you're the butthurt one here.
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EVERYONE IS WRONG BUT ME!!! THEY HATE MY IQ AND MY TINY PENIS!!!!!
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This is probably the 100th time you've talked about my penis. BTW, just because Moe eats 100 pounds of fried chicken for dinner doesn't mean the three of you are "everyone" ... even if it says otherwise on a scale.
And I've never brought up my IQ.
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Says the guy who waited three hours then posted a bunch of crying faces and a /meltdown accusation.
I wouldn't know but I expect it sucks pretty bad to be the dumbest member of your race and I feel sorry for you for it.
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I think you should make a poll!!!
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After all, what would a thread that involved China and racism be without numerous examples from dae_twat?
Thanks for taking the time out of your schedule to show us what real racism looks like Twatter.
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That took me like two seconds. We get it, you're buttmad because you're a half-breed and assume I'm hostile just because I know people like your parents on average are ugly, fat and stupid. But there are exceptions.
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That Chinese chick in the ad is cute!
I dont think the ad is racist. We are borrowing tons of China and most likley that guy will lose the race
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After all, what would a thread that involved China and racism be without numerous examples from dae_twat?
Thanks for taking the time out of your schedule to show us what real racism looks like Twatter.
You live in Detroit, you could know real racism by observing how any non-black that wanders into your sewer is treated.
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Dae seems to be firmly establishing his place as the biggest angry racist loser on the Outpost. We haven't had a clear candidate since ET.
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Dae seems to be firmly establishing his place as the biggest angry racist loser on the Outpost. We haven't had a clear candidate since ET.
No u
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Better commercial would have shown..
Americans living poor
Chinese businessmen laughing all the way to the bank and eating a fancy dinner in a city
Chinese kids forced into labor
And then finally a closeup of a foxconn worker suicide and then the apple logo
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Better commercial would have shown..
Americans living poor
Chinese businessmen kughing all the way to the bank and eating a fancy dinner in a city
Chinese kids forced into labor
And then finally a closeup of a foxconn worker suicide and then the apple logo
You forget the part where some guy from Wallstreet pulls his pants down and volcanically shits all over a schoolbus full of American children.
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The message is the chinese upper crust are taking our jobs..
You got to show them flaunting, then you have to show inhumane they are.. That way we tug at both our jealousy and our compassion.
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The message is the chinese upper crust are taking our jobs..
You got to show them flaunting, then you have to show inhumane they are.. That way we tug at both our jealousy and our compassion.
Pretty sure if a picture of an Iraqi child getting his face blown open doesn't tug at American compassion, the latter doesn't exist. That's why Hoestra or whatever his name is is a politician.
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Yeah..what works best in middle america is showing delta force/chuck norris footage of muslims or showing rambo style footage of asians.
My commercial would work sans apple logo in coastal america.
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That's not saying much, considering so many West-coasters believe in Reptilians and that eating tofuburgers alone will cure cancer.
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Do you really want to go there? Chinese insanity and their belief in home brewed cures is well documented. You guys have an entire market dedicated to eating penis.
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At least they don't rape babies to cure their AIDS, like s do
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Peeeeen
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You would love that store IMO
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It seemed stupid to me. I'm not sure it was racist though. it was definitely insensitive. But it highlighted a legitimate issue.
The worst thing about it was it was stupid about it. The opposition should play that commercial to a room full of buck toothed chinese people laughing and have some white fat guy going. Look at this commercial. Pete Hookah is a moron. In China he'd be forced to shoot himself in the head after writing a check to the gov't to pay for his funeral.
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