Moe_Nox
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Do you believe that statement to be true?
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Generally yes!
It's up to each citizen to inform themselves and be observant.
For minor crimes authorities should strive towards giving a warning and possible a smaller fine/punishment for first time offenders, depending on the severity and consequences.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Do you believe that statement to be true?
it is obviously true
the question should be..."do you think it should be true"
to that i answer no...it should not
there comes a time when laws are so numerous and complex and so ridiculous that it becomes impossible to know what the law is w/o having a law degree
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Moe_Nox posted:
Do you believe that statement to be true?
When the law is moral.
Law against speeding? Immoral and invalid law since there is no victim
Law against murder? That's a just law since there is a victim.
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For the most part I don't think it's true.
Recently I was pulled over for going 25 in a 15 by the air & space museum, the rest of the city is 25 and being ignorant that the unposted limit was slower than I was going. The park police gave me a warning and seemed to find my excuse reasonable.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Moe_Nox posted:
Do you believe that statement to be true?
When the law is moral.
Law against speeding? Immoral and invalid law since there is no victim
There is a victim when they crash and kill someone from careless driving. We need laws like this because of all the idiots out there that think they know how to drive at high speeds.
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I think the spirit of it is good, but ignores the common sense fact that the law is so damn complicated nowadays.
If the law wasn't written expressly to make everyone else ignorant of it, I would have no issues with it.
If you are driving at the whole CCW issue though, common sense should have prevailed there as well. The NRA and all kinds of gun advocacy groups offer resources to help untangle those laws and make sense of them. Considering it's your own freedom you are risking, no matter how screwed up it is, it is incumbent upon yourself as a responsible adult to do the damn research before you travel with your weapon.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Moe_Nox posted:
Do you believe that statement to be true?
When the law is moral.
Law against speeding? Immoral and invalid law since there is no victim
Law against murder? That's a just law since there is a victim.
Theres no victim in attempted murder?
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Moe_Nox posted:
Do you believe that statement to be true?
When the law is moral.
Law against speeding? Immoral and invalid law since there is no victim
Law against murder? That's a just law since there is a victim.
Every time you post, the world becomes that much more stupid.
Please, shut up.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Law against speeding? Immoral and invalid law since there is no victim
Laws do not require victims.
Amendment X
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
You being such a big defender of the Constitution will be the first in line to support this of course.
Now please address your own State Constitution, where I'm sure you'll find within it the authority to pass the laws and regulations you're constantly bitching about.
If your State has a law against speeding, and your State Constitution grants the authority to pass laws and regulations regarding vehicular traffic (which I should point out, all do, without exception) then such laws and regulations passed in accordance with such Constitutional authority... are by definition moral.
Here endeth the lesson.
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Taliesihne posted:
If you are driving at the whole CCW issue though, common sense should have prevailed there as well.
nope nope, no specific case or sub issue in mind, just our overall theme nationwide for judicial enforcement.
To some people blind justice means equal enforcement of the law, and to others it means let them hang even if they have no idea what the law is.
Wanted to gauge where we at the Outpost stand on this.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Do you believe that statement to be true?
No I don't believe that to be true. On a case by case basis there would be a long list of laws that I would say that should be true for, such as murder or theft and such. Common sense stuff. But there is a reason you NEED a lawyer now days in order to navigate the law, it's been confused and removed from public understanding.
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Grymlo posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Moe_Nox posted:
Do you believe that statement to be true?
When the law is moral.
Law against speeding? Immoral and invalid law since there is no victim
There is a victim when they crash and kill someone from careless driving.
there is no guarantee that if you speed you will crash, just ad if you are going slow, you will not crash
Crashes come from inattentiveness and misjudgment, not from speed
accidents create victims, ergo there should be a penalty. Speeding or going some do not create victims, therefore there should be no penalty
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Koneg posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Law against speeding? Immoral and invalid law since there is no victim
Laws do not require victims.
immoral and invalid laws do not but because they are immoral and invalid eventually they are abolished, overturned, or ignored
you forgot the the 9th and 14th Amendments which limit the powers granted in the 10th Amendment .... FYI
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Laws are just things you can't get caught doing. It makes it more fun to break them. Kinda like the fancy snowglobe that your wife's bitchy dead grandmother bought her.
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Ignorance is a topic familiar to most Outposters.
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When I was 18 I got caught in a tiny park that is attached to my subdivision with a girl.
The officer gave me a ticket for being in the park after hours.
I went to court and asked if I could plead ignorance. (Ah the irony of that question now that I look back)
The judge laughed at me and said, Sorry son. The law doesn't care if we are stupid or not.
I spent 3 hours of community service shoveling horse sh*t.
And I didn't get any that night.
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Right, WHO PULLED OUT BTs SWEATY TAMPON from his mouth?!?
A-hole, whoever it was.
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Did you get any horseshit the next night?
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Ignorance is no excuse. This can be harsh and should be offset in part by the discretion of professionals involved in the process. You might be amazed at how often violations are dismissed or reduced by individuals within the system based on the circumstances.
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vn_nnanji posted:
Did you get any horseshit the next night?
No I made her take a shower first.
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Tampon doesn't believe in preventative laws.
He's fine with more people being harmed, yet calls his position being more moral, which is 
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