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Aerlinthian posted:
Israel has been an aggressor for decades. Claiming that that they have been restrained is laughable, if not contemptible.
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It is all trumped up media BULLSHIT.
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If they arn't being shoved into ovens yet....
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Demonizing Iran as a whole, which the right loves to do, is completely counter productive.
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It's funny how retarded Israel is and how easy some of you sheep gargle the propaganda nads of the west
Atheists go on and on about how religions are the cause of bjillions of deaths.
Innumerable people have been put to death in the name of God.
BUT NOW...
A religion is attempting to make nukes and the atheists on this board are bending over backwards denying that Iran would use the nukes on people.... WTF???
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olla! Here you go.
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But Israel is full of Jews, and therefore they have it coming.
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Iran won't use nukes on Israel or America because that would mean retaliation that would make Iran a heap of ash.. Same reason why the Soviets never used nukes.
North Korea is a state 1000x more insane, closed and warlike then Iran and not even they are as f'kin dumb as to start a nuclear war.
As for the whole exterminating the Jews that is just not true, there are 25 000 living breathing and seemingly content Jews living in Iran, and they are even represented in the Iranian parliament or senate.
Why we should go to war against Iran is because of natural resources and the fact that they are waging a proxy war against western forces.
Edit: It's actually really easy to fathom.. and why Iran wants nukes is to safeguard themselves against America, Iran has been on the US shitlist since the current nutjobs ousted the Sha of Iran back in the 60's I do believe.
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olla! Here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAF-Alc7CM
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Iran doesn't have nukes, Israel does. Iran has agreed to certain treaties and inspections, Israel refuses. Iran has no track record of attacking other nations. Israel has a long track record of attacking other nations including the USA.
The neoconservatives as led by Zionists launched a war on Iraq based on lies. Many of us learned our lesson for that. Why should we again be fooled by the neoconservative Zionist liars into getting roped into another bad war?
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Iran won't use nukes on Israel or America because that would mean retaliation that would make Iran a heap of ash.. Same reason why the Soviets never used nukes.
 So NOW you think THEIR religion will act RATIONAL Man the mental flips your brain must make
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olla! Here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAF-Alc7CM
Ron Paul is a nut... You can't un-ring a bell.
IMHO, I was wondering if you are an elderly 70 year old woman scared of jihadis under your bed.
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Iran has no track record of attacking other nations.
ROFLMAO I couldn't make this stuff up. Comedy GOLD
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olla! Here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAF-Alc7CM
Ron Paul is a nut... You can't un-ring a bell.
Ron Paul is a nut? Yeah I guess peace is insanity and wars of aggression are sane, in your world.
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Iran hasn't attacked another country in like 1,000 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r35BX0zx7so&feature=related
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Desnoxvu posted:
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Desnoxvu posted:
olla! Here you go.
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Ron Paul is a nut... You can't un-ring a bell.
IMHO, I was wondering if you are an elderly 70 year old woman scared of jihadis under your bed.
No I am an American that knows our leaders have been meddling in other countries affairs. I am smart enough to know that bell can't be un rung, no matter what that idiot Ron Paul says.
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Iran won't use nukes on Israel or America because that would mean retaliation that would make Iran a heap of ash.. Same reason why the Soviets never used nukes.
So NOW you think THEIR religion will act RATIONAL Man the mental flips your brain must make
Are you really this uneducated, and most of all stupid? You think for a second that the leaders of Iran are concerned about anything else then keeping their power? Please!
Religion is a great tool for individuals to attain power, history is filled with leaders who on the paper were pious as a priest on Sunday but really was more or less just interested in power and their own grandeur, power is it's own religion and in that religion you get to be god.
This is what makes religion so dangerous, it can be used as a tool to control influence and direct serfs like you, you know weak people.
The leader of Iran will not agitate the bear to much because that would mean the end of their power.
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Whatever the reason however justified it seems at the time I am all for a major US foriegn policy shift which results in the US meddling less with teh internal affairs of foreign countries.
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WHAT IF THEY WERE CHRISTIANS??
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Whatever the reason however justified it seems at the time I am all for a major US foriegn policy shift which results in the US meddling less with teh internal affairs of foreign countries.
No dice, civilization is built upon the framework of western hegemony.. If we relinquish too much power the world will destabilize and fall into barbarism, what needs to be done is that Europe needs to start to carry more of the weight and we need to start being more aggressive and train more closely with the US. It's the west's burden to uphold the ideals of democracy and goodness in this world we can not falter because that would just result in chaos.
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Whatever the reason however justified it seems at the time I am all for a major US foriegn policy shift which results in the US meddling less with teh internal affairs of foreign countries.
That is a good sentiment. Unfortunately it won't be the anti-war americans that stop the wars. It will be a collapse of America that ends our empire.
But there will still be just a few of us trying to get people to understand Austrian economics and Jesus's golden rule.
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WHAT IF THEY WERE CHRISTIANS??
I don't see how that is relevant?
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You think for a second that the leaders of Iran are concerned about anything else then keeping their power?
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Whatever the reason however justified it seems at the time I am all for a major US foriegn policy shift which results in the US meddling less with teh internal affairs of foreign countries.
That is a good sentiment. Unfortunately it won't be the anti-war americans that stop the wars. It will be a collapse of America that ends our empire.
But there will still be just a few of us trying to get people to understand Austrian economics and Jesus's golden rule.
The AMerican empire is near collaspe. It just hasnt happened yet. First the money runs out. Then the empire falls.
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WHAT IF THEY WERE CHRISTIANS??
I don't see how that is relevant?
I know you don't.
That's why I started this thread. You do nothing but disparage Christians, yet a bonafide crazy Muslim wants a bomb and you think he is the next Mahatma Gandhi. 
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Wow, you are either very limber or in a lot of pain IMHO.
I wasn't aware the human mind could twist like that. 
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I don't know how many times I see liberals who are self-professed "atheists" or "haters of all religions"...
... fall over themselves to defend asshole Islamic states/institutions like Iran or the Palestinians. If a Christian or Jewish state was even one-tenth as evil as either one of those groups, Manglow would be at the forefront here denouncing them.
Manglow, why are you so PC that you feel that you must defend Islamic extremists? Are you ok with what happened to your own city of Malmo?
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I am Buddhist. Want to see Irony? Well Buddhists believe in impermanence. Which means nothing last forever. I have spent time with Tibetan Monks who spent hours making sand mandelas and once they were finished they would destroy them into the breeze.
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You think for a second that the leaders of Iran are concerned about anything else then keeping their power?
Your whole post is fail.. You failed to grasp the simple truths of power and you utterly fail at understanding the Iranian culture.
Iran is a theocracy, but as they come it's pretty lenient.. It's a somewhat open society with a lot of western influences especially in Tehran, if their leaders were as insane as you suggest they would have murdered thousands during the latest demonstrations that that took place last summer, they would have also made Iran into a totally insular society shielding their country from any western influence if their leaders were as religiously insane as you suggest they would have done as the Taliban did with Afghanistan; outlawed music, forced all women to wear bhurkas etc etc, it's in no way a free society but it's not even near as closed as it could be.
So why isn't Iran as oppressive as Afghanistan was? Because the Iranian leadership is somewhat pragmatic they are ultra-conservatives brutal and cruel at times but in no way insane, within the Iranian parliament there are liberal forces at work, and there is some democratic freedom.
I have discussed Iran with a lot of Iranians, people whose families fled to Sweden during the 60's whom have visited and have family in Iran, I suggest you do the same IMHO..
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Wow, you are either very limber or in a lot of pain IMHO.
I wasn't aware the human mind could twist like that.
How so?
...for pointing out how irrational Atheists are?
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Iran has existed two and a half milennia. Why would they end it all the second they got a weapon? Who starts a fight they know they'll lose miserably?
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The real fear is that they will use it as leverage to do whatever they want.
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I don't know how many times I see liberals who are self-professed "atheists" or "haters of all religions"...
... fall over themselves to defend asshole Islamic states/institutions like Iran or the Palestinians. If a Christian or Jewish state was even one-tenth as evil as either one of those groups, Manglow would be at the forefront here denouncing them.
Manglow, why are you so PC that you feel that you must defend Islamic extremists? Are you ok with what happened to your own city of Malmo?
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Iran has existed two and a half milennia. Why would they end it all the second they got a weapon? Who starts a fight they know they'll lose miserably?
Why do you guys refuse to look at their religion? Their country is run by it. You guys will say religion is irrational.... but when it comes to a country that is totally religious, you think they will act rational... WTF???
..and you say I am doing mental gymnastics
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I don't know how many times I see liberals who are self-professed "atheists" or "haters of all religions"...
... fall over themselves to defend asshole Islamic states/institutions like Iran or the Palestinians. If a Christian or Jewish state was even one-tenth as evil as either one of those groups, Manglow would be at the forefront here denouncing them.
Manglow, why are you so PC that you feel that you must defend Islamic extremists? Are you ok with what happened to your own city of Malmo?
I think you need to retake a few classes in basic reading comprehension..
I posted earlier in this thread that we should go to war with Iran, because it's a dickish regime. I don't think my stance on Iran could be any more apparent, but it seems to have eluded your simplistic mind.
I'm in no way defending what they do, I'm explaining why Iran will not use the bomb as a offensive weapon they will in all probability use it to defend themselves however.
Now you plebes are obviously too stupid to fathom basic English so I'll try to use smaller words so that you high school drop-outs can actually fathom what I'm trying to get across here.
What happened in Malmo? Has it become a caliphate while I wasn't looking?
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WHAT IF THEY WERE CHRISTIANS??
I don't see how that is relevant?
I know you don't.
That's why I started this thread. You do nothing but disparage Christians, yet a bonafide crazy Muslim wants a bomb and you think he is the next Mahatma Gandhi.
Nope, I just know more about history, Iran and it's culture then you do and my assessment is not built upon ignorance like yours is.
Immadinnajacket isn't even the real leader of Iran he does nothing without orders from the religious leaders.
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BUT NOW...
A religion is attempting to make nukes and the atheists on this board are bending over backwards denying that Iran would use the nukes on people.... WTF???
I have done no such thing. What I am doing is just saying the Media is bending over backwards to make sure YOU want the US to wtfpwn Iran...
Did you even click on my link, the link where that statement of mine came from?
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Wow, you are either very limber or in a lot of pain IMHO.
I wasn't aware the human mind could twist like that.
How so?
...for pointing out how irrational Atheists are?
For even attempting to make that argument.
One could make the argument that those same people thinking about a religion owning nukes makes them very mad - look at how they all feel about Judaism having nukes.
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wow reading through this I think IMHO has lost whatever marbles he had...
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I think that IMHO is just confused on what country he is in.
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What I am doing is just saying the Media is bending over backwards to make sure YOU want the US to wtfpwn Iran...
And I am saying that if it was a Christian nation you would have never posted.
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I can't speak for the others but I have never supported the regime in Iran nor said that their getting a bomb would be no big deal.
The measures already in place are enough to ensure that Iran won't have a bomb any time soon. I am satisfied with that.
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Wow, you are either very limber or in a lot of pain IMHO.
I wasn't aware the human mind could twist like that.
How so?
...for pointing out how irrational Atheists are?
For even attempting to make that argument.
One could make the argument that those same people thinking about a religion owning nukes makes them very mad - look at how they all feel about Judaism having nukes.
I don't think anyone who isn't a close ally to the west should have nukes, Israel with all it's faults is still a democratic nation and a trading partner/ally I don't have problem with them having nukes.
Iran however; should not be allowed to get nukes, we should not put boots on the ground but we should bomb every military installation they have to dust.
Nukes are not a offensive weapon it's as someone said in this thread: diplomatic leverage.. If you have nukes you can negotiate from a position of strength, and you can't be attacked.
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Your use of the word 'we' is kinda cute.
You mean 'us' of course, but we love you anyway 
We shouldn't get involved with anything more then aid to our allies. No troops.
Israel is a big boy, they can take care of themselves.
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A warlord was wreaking havoc across a land and his army came up to a mountain monastery.
The head monk came down to speak with the warlord and beseech peace.
The warlord was not having any of it and commanded the monk to stand aside so his troops could enter this temple. When the monk refused, the warlord spoke, "Old fool, you know nothing! I could run you through without blinking an eye."
The monk replied, "and I could be run through without blinking an eye."
Awed and defeated, the warlord took his troops and left.
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What I am doing is just saying the Media is bending over backwards to make sure YOU want the US to wtfpwn Iran...
And I am saying that if it was a Christian nation you would have never posted.
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Iran has existed two and a half milennia. Why would they end it all the second they got a weapon? Who starts a fight they know they'll lose miserably?
Why do you guys refuse to look at their religion? Their country is run by it. You guys will say religion is irrational.... but when it comes to a country that is totally religious, you think they will act rational... WTF???
..and you say I am doing mental gymnastics
Who is you guys? Atheist and agnostic aren't the same 
You're saying it's okay for Christians and Jews to have weapons, but not those crazy Muslims! They should be banned because their religions is just nuts. When you realize that no one religion is any more stupid than any other, there is no longer a reason to bar them from doing what they want on religious grounds. There are reasons that Iran shouldn't have weapons and why they are a threat. You've skipped those and instead are going crazy because they're Muslim. The question shouldn't be why I'm not looking at religion, it's why you can't stop.
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A warlord was wreaking havoc across a land and his army came up to a mountain monastery.
The head monk came down to speak with the warlord and beseech peace.
The warlord was not having any of it and commanded the monk to stand aside so his troops could enter this temple. When the monk refused, the warlord spoke, "Old fool, you know nothing! I could run you through without blinking an eye."
The monk replied, "and I could be run through without blinking an eye."
Awed and defeated, the warlord took his troops and left.
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Why IMHO is so far out in the deep side of the pool here is because of his faulty reasoning, lack of knowledge on the subject and lack of critical thinking.
Yes, all religions are basically nuts even more so when it's extreme.
However the Iranian regime is a lot more complicated and many faceted and advanced then say the regime in Afghanistan was, because the people in power are not blind fundamentalists..
They are smart, educated and know what the hell they are doing.. First mistake is to underestimate your enemy just because his culture is different and he looks like something from the stone age and his propaganda is made to appeal to your basic Iranian redneck who don't know how to read.
The thing here IMHO is that you view the world in absolutes, black and white.. Your narrow minded ignorance is probably born out of your religiousness, you'd make an excellent Iranian serf. 
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Your use of the word 'we' is kinda cute.
You mean 'us' of course, but we love you anyway
We shouldn't get involved with anything more then aid to our allies. No troops.
Israel is a big boy, they can take care of themselves.
I just want to see the Iranian regime toppled, if the US and Israel avoids killing civilians and just set about to hamstring the Iranian military and then let the CIA support anti-regime elements within Iran I think that country could become quite awesome within a few years.
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Seeing as how the people of Iran want the regime gone just about as much as the rest of the world, we should be helping them as much as possible.
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Seeing as how the people of Iran want the regime gone just about as much as the rest of the world, we should be helping them as much as possible.
We can't even agree to help the Syrians.
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Seeing as how the people of Iran want the regime gone just about as much as the rest of the world, we should be helping them as much as possible.
We can't even agree to help the Syrians.
No strategic importance, no strategic resources..
Iran however; oil, and the straits of Hormuz where most of the middle eastern Oil is shipped through, big deal for the US and Europe.
We invaded Libya because of the oil not because we're in any way humanitarians, the world is a huge geo-political Risk game.
edit: Risk is more apt then Chess..
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Friggin JEWS!!! 
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Friggin JEWS!!!
Israelis actually, a lot of them aren't Jewish there are Christians and Muslims living side by side with Jews in that society.
I like how you're completely out of arguments and have to resort to your usual lowbrow anti-Semite blather, then again I can't expect much from uneducated simpletons.
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It's against Islamic teachings to develop or use nukes in Iran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei#Fatwa_against_nuclear_weapons
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It's against Islamic teachings to develop or use nukes in Iran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei#Fatwa_against_nuclear_weapons
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That entire region is full of religious tards. Israel included.
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Oh yeah, I forget the Ayatollah is totally not important at all in the Muslim world. He's just some guy, totally not the most important living figure in the Muslim world 
Iran will be this decade's Iraq
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If I'm the monk in my story, does that mean Des should DIAF?
All signs point to yes.
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Israel should be forced to sign the NPT and prove they don't have nukes before demanding another country not have them while attempting to use American kids as proxies to fight their wars for them.
I don't feel like having another 4,000 of our kids die for Israel.
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Israel needs to fix its problems.
Iran is in no way a free or wonderful country... But israel to anyone not blind is far too aggressive, war mongering and wrong headed politically with its neighbors.
Its also annoying when people say israel is a crap piece of land no one wanted until the jews went there...mediterranean sea coast is hgh quality real estate n the mid east.
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The take away from this thread is Atheists are OK with non-American Religions bent on destroying the world.
/boggle
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I think they like picking on Christians because it's low hanging fruit. They don't have to work hard for the desired reaction. Trust me, if we had a lot of Muslims here they would be doing it to them also.
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I think they like picking on Christians because it's low hanging fruit. They don't have to work hard for the desired reaction. Trust me, if we had a lot of Muslims here they would be doing it to them also.
Exactly, Christians need not martyr themsleves.
Now imagine how awesome if we got a bunch of conservative Muslims up in this forum a few devout Hindu's a Shiek or two, imagine the little critters slugging it out over whose got the most awesome imaginary friend, and everyone hating on the agnostics and atheists, fun fun.
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Agnostics are OK in my book.
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Agnostics are OK in my book.
Everyone is ok in my book, I just like to argue.
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I just like to argue.
Well, keep at it and maybe some day you'll get good at it.
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A religion is attempting to make nukes
wut?
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A religion is attempting to make nukes
wut?
Iran is run by a religion.
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Iran won't use nukes on Israel or America because that would mean retaliation that would make Iran a heap of ash.. Same reason why the Soviets never used nukes.
The problem with your rather simplistic reasoning is that the Soviets weren't willing to self-destruct in the name of their God.
Oddly enough there does happen to be a major religion that not only is willing to self-destruct in the name of their God, but eager to do so.
It is an act of willful self-deception to deny that, so I eagerly await your reply where you'll do exactly that.
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The take away from this thread is Atheists are OK with non-American Religions bent on destroying the world.
/boggle
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Iran won't use nukes on Israel or America because that would mean retaliation that would make Iran a heap of ash.. Same reason why the Soviets never used nukes.
The problem with your rather simplistic reasoning is that the Soviets weren't willing to self-destruct in the name of their God.
Oddly enough there does happen to be a major religion that not only is willing to self-destruct in the name of their God, but eager to do so.
It is an act of willful self-deception to deny that, so I eagerly await your reply where you'll do exactly that.
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The take away from this thread is Atheists are OK with non-American Religions bent on destroying the world.
/boggle
Like it's any great feat to /boggle your mind
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Koneg posted:
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Iran won't use nukes on Israel or America because that would mean retaliation that would make Iran a heap of ash.. Same reason why the Soviets never used nukes.
The problem with your rather simplistic reasoning is that the Soviets weren't willing to self-destruct in the name of their God.
Oddly enough there does happen to be a major religion that not only is willing to self-destruct in the name of their God, but eager to do so.
It is an act of willful self-deception to deny that, so I eagerly await your reply where you'll do exactly that.
Even you can't be that stu....
/looks again at the thread
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reesescups posted:
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The take away from this thread is Atheists are OK with non-American Religions bent on destroying the world.
/boggle
Like it's any great feat to /boggle your mind
For real...
I misunderestimate the intelligence of some of you way to much...
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Koneg posted:
Oddly enough there does happen to be a major religion that not only is willing to self-destruct in the name of their God, but eager to do so.
Even you can't be that stu....
/looks again at the thread
never mind, carry on.
You honestly don't think they would NOT be willing to sacrifice their self for their god? Really?
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Iran is run by a religion.
You mean by religious people? A religion is not a thing that can run countries you know?
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Iran is run by a religion.
You mean by religious people? A religion is not a thing that can run countries you know?
Of course a religion can run a country.
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Iran is run by a religion.
You mean by religious people? A religion is not a thing that can run countries you know?
Atheists need more practice defending religions they like.
You can't make this stuff up
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I think you are just a very confused man.
Don't forget dumb...
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I'm not sure what you're looking for IMHO.
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His point is not rocket science and he does highlight a contradiction even if that contradiction can be explained away. It is still a contradiction.
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No hes makng up a premise that doesnt exist.
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NuEM posted:
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Iran is run by a religion.
You mean by religious people? A religion is not a thing that can run countries you know?
Of course a religion can run a country.
Religion ran America from 2000 to 2008.
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No hes makng up a premise that doesnt exist.
Maybe I am missing the premise but from what I can tell it is taking statements made about religion and the thinking process of religous people and applying it to Iran and the decision making process of Iran's leaders.
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I didn't read the rest of the thread but I dunno why you quoted me. That was in the thread where some moron insisted Iran was going to try to exterminate all the Jews. I just pointed out that if that was true they'd probably start with the thousands living in Iran who have their own parlimentary rep under the Iranian constitution.
Which isn't to say Jews arn't discriminated against Iran. But it is a pretty good clue they arn't actively trying to exterminate them.
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I didn't read the rest of the thread but I dunno why you quoted me. That was in the thread where some moron insisted Iran was going to try to exterminate all the Jews. I just pointed out that if that was true they'd probably start with the thousands living in Iran who have their own parlimentary rep under the Iranian constitution.
Which isn't to say Jews arn't discriminated against Iran. But it is a pretty good clue they arn't actively trying to exterminate them.
I think the clear goal of Iran is to destroy the state of Israel.
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It's one of their talking points, certainly.
I don't think any of us really know what goes on in the heads of the people who run Iran.
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It's one of their talking points, certainly.
I don't think any of us really know what goes on in the heads of the people who run Iran.
Uh they are actively attacking it.
I am not sure we need to read minds here.
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It's one of their talking points, certainly.
I don't think any of us really know what goes on in the heads of the people who run Iran.
Uh they are actively attacking it.
I am not sure we need to read minds here.
Iran is actively attacking the State of Israel?
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It's one of their talking points, certainly.
I don't think any of us really know what goes on in the heads of the people who run Iran.
Uh they are actively attacking it.
I am not sure we need to read minds here.
Iran is actively attacking the State of Israel?
Verbally attacking it.
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verbally...
Oh well then, oh wait - you mean the mouth piece of Iran that dinnerjacket guy who doesn't have any power and who is considered a loose canon by the people in charge and by the population at large?
He only keeps getting elected because he says stupid crap, the world reacts to it, and then he says to everyone - see they all want to hurt us, you need me...
blah blah blah
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Iran is actively attacking the State of Israel?
Iran has been attacking Israel through other groups for a long time now.
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Iran is actively attacking the State of Israel?
Iran has been attacking Israel through other groups for a long time now.
If you are apeaking of the ME proxy wars fought on behalf of/manufactured by Iran and Saudi Arabia, absolutely you are right.
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Iran is actively attacking the State of Israel?
Iran has been attacking Israel through other groups for a long time now.
and your point?
Haven't we been attacking Iran via proxy for a long time?
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How you can equate the two is beyond me.
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How you can equate the two is beyond me.
Well I haven't equated them...
Did you want to go down that road? What about comparing effectiveness?
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Iran is actively attacking the State of Israel?
Iran has been attacking Israel through other groups for a long time now.
and your point?
Haven't we been attacking Iran via proxy for a long time?
Proxy meaning US Predator Drones and assassination.
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I'm not sure what you're looking for IMHO.
I'm just pointing out blind spots in peoples thinking. Atheists thinking to be exact. So if you aren't Atheist this thread isn't directed at you.
It's a pretty simple premise, really. Atheists on this board have gone to the extremes trying to convince me that religions are evil. Yet when our country wants to confront a religion that is openly talking about the destruction of anther country and is actively making a nuke, Atheists on this board start to defend them or deny deny deny. WTF?? 
Other people have blind spots too, I think it is part of human nature. I just find it amazing that no matter how bluntly I put it ... how in their face I get... they are still blind. Amazing stuff.
It reminds me of another instances. This reporter was interviewing Jeffery Dahmers mom. See said that Jeffy wouldn't do those things he was accused of he really is a very nice boy.
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How you can equate the two is beyond me.
Well I haven't equated them...
Did you want to go down that road? What about comparing effectiveness?
The context is not effectiveness but establishing motive.
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How you can equate the two is beyond me.
Well I haven't equated them...
Did you want to go down that road? What about comparing effectiveness?
The context is not effectiveness but establishing motive.
Indeed...
What motive would Iran have of defending itself...
hmmm
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I'm not sure what you're looking for IMHO.
I'm just pointing out blind spots in peoples thinking. Atheists thinking to be exact. So if you aren't Atheist this thread isn't directed at you.
It's a pretty simple premise, really. Atheists on this board have gone to the extremes trying to convince me that religions are evil. Yet when our country wants to confront a religion that is openly talking about the destruction of anther country and is actively making a nuke, Atheists on this board start to defend them or deny deny deny. WTF??
Other people have blind spots too, I think it is part of human nature. I just find it amazing that no matter how bluntly I put it ... how in their face I get... they are still blind. Amazing stuff.
It reminds me of another instances. This reporter was interviewing Jeffery Dahmers mom. See said that Jeffy wouldn't do those things he was accused of he really is a very nice boy.
Okay, got it. Thanks for responding.
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The take away from this thread is Atheists are OK with non-American Religions bent on destroying the world.
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Why do they go the hypocrisy route with Iran? Because Israel if full of Jews. It really is that simple.
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The only people exhibiting any semblance of hypocrisy are those screaming for War with Iran based on false pretenses.
and why? Why do they go the hypocrisy route with Iran? Because Iran is full of smelly brown people. It really is that simple.
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So the takeaway here is that IMHO thinks everyone in Iran is a religious nutbag that should be destroyed because they're not christians? . Maybe you just don't like brown people no matter where they're from. Mexicans, now arabs..
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So I think I understand better thanks to this tread. Atheists are indifferent with religion in general. However, when it involves Christianity, its WARRRGRARBLE time.
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So,.. basically everyone should be ok with nuking iran because of a few people.
christian train of thought : if a few people from a countryaren't Christians, we should destroy the entire country even if the majority of people in the country don't agree with the few religious nuts spewing hateful messages!!
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tenkly posted:
So,.. basically everyone should be ok with nuking iran because of a few people.
christian train of thought : if a few people from a countryaren't Christians, we should destroy the entire country even if the majority of people in the country don't agree with the few religious nuts spewing hateful messages!!
if you disagree, YOU LOVE MUSLIMS!!
WTF
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Imho said : atheist are defending a religion. They're not. They're defending a country. Who cares what the main religion is of that country?
Imho said : if you defend iran, you defend their religion. It's stupid and not true.
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in other words, imho doesn't like brown people.
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This thread has clearly proves there is a double standard where religious groups are involved.
When it's Muslims, Atheists are like 'awww, look at the indigenous peoplez living to their cultural standards' but when it's Christians, their like 'murderous scumbags! stop trying to control everything with your god.'
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Where did any atheists said that?
point the specific part where any atheists said it's ok for muslims to be religious nuts and not ok for Christians to do the same.
They're both stupid for believing in a fairy tale for adults.
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reesescups posted:
Indeed...
What motive would Iran have of attacking Israel...
hmmm
The one they say they have. They don't want Israel to exist.
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