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Topic: What has more validity, astrology or religion?

Aerlinthian Posts: 66,222 Registered: May 7, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 65,491 User ID: 94,919	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Religion is more or less a series of tales based on events or claimed events, rationalizations of human deeds and imaginings of what some god wanted or would do or think of our behaviors. Astrology is based upon interpretations of physical celestial objects, the rationalization of their interactions and their supposed effects upon mankind and individuals thereof. Therefore, Astrology has more validity. -----signature----- (none)
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NuEM Posts: 15,394 Registered: Mar 2, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 13,662 User ID: 900,449	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Which is bigger, null or zero? -----signature----- It's time we became European: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VzdZ1i8YM8 The Federalist's Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz70fFZHEhw
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__Bonk__ Posts: 53,947 Registered: Jul 25, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,339 User ID: 1,364,654	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Whatever floats your boat. If you try to be a good person that is all that matters. -----signature----- I keep my eyes fixed on the sun! A change in feeling is a change in destiny.
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BubbleDude Title: Perma-N00b Posts: 16,792 Registered: Feb 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 14,490 User ID: 774,875	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	__Bonk__ posted: If you try to be a good person that is all that matters. No. -----signature----- "It's much easier to just bitch on the internet than actually do something." - Altra_Shadowstalker It probably came here in the first place because it did a search for "pedo forum." - Yukishiro
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__Bonk__ Posts: 53,947 Registered: Jul 25, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,339 User ID: 1,364,654	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Yes Unless the religion or belief encourages a person to do bad things and evil then it doesnt matter. Its not my job to judge their beliefs or religion. I can disagree with it and not believe it myself but whatever works for them is fine especially if they are trying to do good works Now I will argue that some religions are not the same as others and not say they are the same just to be politically correct -----signature----- I keep my eyes fixed on the sun! A change in feeling is a change in destiny.
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BubbleDude Title: Perma-N00b Posts: 16,792 Registered: Feb 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 14,490 User ID: 774,875	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	__Bonk__ posted: especially if they are trying to do good works "Good works" to some means blowing yourself up in a crowded shopping mall So this is okay? -----signature----- "It's much easier to just bitch on the internet than actually do something." - Altra_Shadowstalker It probably came here in the first place because it did a search for "pedo forum." - Yukishiro
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__Bonk__ Posts: 53,947 Registered: Jul 25, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,339 User ID: 1,364,654	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Well I wont judge you if you do that one day Bubble -----signature----- I keep my eyes fixed on the sun! A change in feeling is a change in destiny.
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Manegarm Title: European Imperialist Good Guy Posts: 33,712 Registered: Aug 11, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 32,596 User ID: 829,780	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Don't mind bubble, he was weak and needed a crutch and found one.. It's very human.. -----signature----- Europa Eternita! "Damn, Manegarm; you are HAWT!! " - Taolynn "To the everlasting glory of the infantry, Shines the name Shines the name of Rodger Young" ALWAYS ANGRY, ALL THE TIME! Nein mann ich will noch nicht gehen
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Kordirn Title: Pirate Prince Posts: 23,453 Registered: Apr 19, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,192 User ID: 915,876	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	__Bonk__ posted: Whatever floats your boat. If you try to be a good person that is all that matters. Not according to the bible. -----signature----- ooOooo oOoOO OOo
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__Bonk__ Posts: 53,947 Registered: Jul 25, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,339 User ID: 1,364,654	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Well they can believe what they want. Religions can conflict but its up to God to judge not me. -----signature----- I keep my eyes fixed on the sun! A change in feeling is a change in destiny.
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	validity for who? Hey, if astrology can help you kick your boozing habit, get over destructive thoughts, emotions or habits, or just makes you feel a little better about yourself go for it. Who are you to judge or diminish someone's spirituality? As to people blowing themselves up, there are a couple thoughts that immediately come to mind. Anything can be corrupted. I've heard of people in NYC who throw acid on their spouse/lover over a quarrel. Should we demonize Love now because people get it twisted? Meanwhile, we glorify those who sacrifice themselves for the causes we believe in. The suicide bombers aren't doing this for religious purposes. They're finding solace for their actions in religion. It's really a rage against the machine, American's or Israeli's or their Government drops bombs from a safe location killing their friends/comrades/families and these guys have no equivalent recourse. So they strap themselves up and go tit for tat. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Mastara Posts: 8,982 Registered: Dec 29, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,312 User ID: 1,011,569	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	There is no such thing as a good person -----signature----- Boooooommmm Heeeaaaddddshhhhooooottttt! http://www.carellaross.com/img/truth_its_the_new_hate_speech.jpg Mastatheimposta - 10L2 SB Merlin
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__Bonk__ Posts: 53,947 Registered: Jul 25, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 53,339 User ID: 1,364,654	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Mastara posted: There is no such thing as a good person With you that is true! -----signature----- I keep my eyes fixed on the sun! A change in feeling is a change in destiny.
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Mastara Posts: 8,982 Registered: Dec 29, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,312 User ID: 1,011,569	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	That is fact. Neither me, you nor anyone else on these boards or off them will fit the description of a good person. Being a good person wouldnt mean a thing anyway. But since none are good, it doesn't really matter. -----signature----- Boooooommmm Heeeaaaddddshhhhooooottttt! http://www.carellaross.com/img/truth_its_the_new_hate_speech.jpg Mastatheimposta - 10L2 SB Merlin
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Fat_wong Posts: 2,197 Registered: Feb 6, '07 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 2,137 User ID: 1,204,315	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	astroboy -----signature----- (none)
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Mastara Posts: 8,982 Registered: Dec 29, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,312 User ID: 1,011,569	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	good movie, kids watch it all the time. -----signature----- Boooooommmm Heeeaaaddddshhhhooooottttt! http://www.carellaross.com/img/truth_its_the_new_hate_speech.jpg Mastatheimposta - 10L2 SB Merlin
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BubbleDude Title: Perma-N00b Posts: 16,792 Registered: Feb 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 14,490 User ID: 774,875	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Manegarm posted: Don't mind bubble, he was weak and needed a crutch and found one. I was more atheist than you are. -----signature----- "It's much easier to just bitch on the internet than actually do something." - Altra_Shadowstalker It probably came here in the first place because it did a search for "pedo forum." - Yukishiro
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Aerlinthian Posts: 66,222 Registered: May 7, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 65,491 User ID: 94,919	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Altra_Shadowstalker posted: validity for who? There isn't a who here. It is an absolute. One of these things has more validity than the other in an absolute sense. Granted, both are ridiculous when examined on their own merits, but as least one of them has a physical basis. -----signature----- (none)
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Scarne Title: Capo di Scientifico Posts: 27,710 Registered: Jul 23, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 22,798 User ID: 272,061	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Astrology is very easily provably false where tons of people each day don't have their horoscope come true. It also has the issue of being static and the constellations having shifted their appearance times by like a month since astrology was formalized several centuries ago. Most religions are provably false if you take all of their holy books literally (anything that uses the Old Testament has the issue of Genesis 1 and 2 contradicting each other as a simple example). But they have the cop-out of saying that anything that is wrong isn't supposed to be taken literally. Religions have more validity as a construct though. The vast majority of them promote a positive message. They also help form social bonds in a community. Astrology is a solo thing and morally neutral. -----signature----- E Pluribus Unum
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Manegarm Title: European Imperialist Good Guy Posts: 33,712 Registered: Aug 11, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 32,596 User ID: 829,780	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	BubbleDude posted: Manegarm posted: Don't mind bubble, he was weak and needed a crutch and found one. I was more atheist than you are. And a lot weaker apparently.. -----signature----- Europa Eternita! "Damn, Manegarm; you are HAWT!! " - Taolynn "To the everlasting glory of the infantry, Shines the name Shines the name of Rodger Young" ALWAYS ANGRY, ALL THE TIME! Nein mann ich will noch nicht gehen
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eodoll Posts: 17,153 Registered: Feb 14, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 15,943 User ID: 645,592	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Religion... Its vague enough to where you cant prove it wrong. Astrology is easy to prove wrong by contradiction. -----signature----- (none)
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BubbleDude Title: Perma-N00b Posts: 16,792 Registered: Feb 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 14,490 User ID: 774,875	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Manegarm posted: BubbleDude posted: Manegarm posted: Don't mind bubble, he was weak and needed a crutch and found one. I was more atheist than you are. And a lot weaker apparently.. I'm not the one Phelpsing atheism in every single thread mentioning religion. -----signature----- "It's much easier to just bitch on the internet than actually do something." - Altra_Shadowstalker It probably came here in the first place because it did a search for "pedo forum." - Yukishiro
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Manegarm Title: European Imperialist Good Guy Posts: 33,712 Registered: Aug 11, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 32,596 User ID: 829,780	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	BubbleDude posted: Manegarm posted: BubbleDude posted: [quote=Manegarm]Don't mind bubble, he was weak and needed a crutch and found one. I was more atheist than you are. And a lot weaker apparently.. I'm not the one Phelpsing atheism in every single thread mentioning religion. [/quote] I'm not supposed to argue about things on the Outpost in the specific threads made for the issue? I should do it in say Cawlin's gun threads or Reeses global warming threads? I think you had a tad much of that cool-aid of yours, or you should just quit the Outpost. I'm sorry that my viewpoint does not agree with you. As for 'phelpsian' <--better word then phelpsing imo, I drop a few inflammatory remarks here and there and that is all in the spirit of the Outpost. However I do not propagate violence or even demonstrations of any kind; I agree with the right to religious freedom. I have also never expressed a wish to convert religious people from your religion.. All I want is for you to agree with me that magic is stupid and that the whole notion is retarded, if you keep on believing after that is no concern of mine.. Whatever makes you happy -----signature----- Europa Eternita! "Damn, Manegarm; you are HAWT!! " - Taolynn "To the everlasting glory of the infantry, Shines the name Shines the name of Rodger Young" ALWAYS ANGRY, ALL THE TIME! Nein mann ich will noch nicht gehen
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BubbleDude Title: Perma-N00b Posts: 16,792 Registered: Feb 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 14,490 User ID: 774,875	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Phelpsian would be an adjective. Phelpsing is a verb. Manegarm posted: I should do it in say Cawlin's gun threads or Reeses global warming threads? That's what I mean. You do exactly that. Any mention of religion brings you a-ranting. -----signature----- "It's much easier to just bitch on the internet than actually do something." - Altra_Shadowstalker It probably came here in the first place because it did a search for "pedo forum." - Yukishiro
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Manegarm Title: European Imperialist Good Guy Posts: 33,712 Registered: Aug 11, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 32,596 User ID: 829,780	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	BubbleDude posted: Phelpsian would be an adjective. Phelpsing is a verb. Well you're the guy who belongs to the group who are experts at making shit up so I'll leave it to you -----signature----- Europa Eternita! "Damn, Manegarm; you are HAWT!! " - Taolynn "To the everlasting glory of the infantry, Shines the name Shines the name of Rodger Young" ALWAYS ANGRY, ALL THE TIME! Nein mann ich will noch nicht gehen
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IMHO Title: Official Outpost Greeter Posts: 30,884 Registered: Nov 1, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 28,020 User ID: 490,177	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Fred Phelps of Atheism Cracks me up every time -----signature----- You're Right ~ Koneg He's [Manegarm] like the Fred Phelps of atheism. ~Bubbledude many of you are in the Republican boat, aka the ship of fools. ~Modeeb We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Manegarm Title: European Imperialist Good Guy Posts: 33,712 Registered: Aug 11, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 32,596 User ID: 829,780	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	IMHO posted: Fred Phelps of Atheism Cracks me up every time I love it when you guys have to borrow crazy from Christianity to bunch it up with atheism, just shows that we atheists lack the crazy. -----signature----- Europa Eternita! "Damn, Manegarm; you are HAWT!! " - Taolynn "To the everlasting glory of the infantry, Shines the name Shines the name of Rodger Young" ALWAYS ANGRY, ALL THE TIME! Nein mann ich will noch nicht gehen
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IMHO Title: Official Outpost Greeter Posts: 30,884 Registered: Nov 1, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 28,020 User ID: 490,177	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Crazy people don't think they're crazy -----signature----- You're Right ~ Koneg He's [Manegarm] like the Fred Phelps of atheism. ~Bubbledude many of you are in the Republican boat, aka the ship of fools. ~Modeeb We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Kjarhall Title: The Pungent One Posts: 29,212 Registered: Mar 1, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,233 User ID: 652,381	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Astrology has no validity at all. It's factually untenable. Religion, being faith based, doesn't need validity. That's the beauty of it, to the religious. You never have to 'prove' anything. -----signature----- You're a crazy moron* *http://vnboards.ign.com/outpost/b22180/115147923/r115151508/ hah! true story tho i'm a woman an i even love boobs..how can you not??- HallowEve
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	They are equally invalid because they are based on the same flawed epistemologies. Religious people have no better idea if what they are saying is valid than any astrologist. They literally make it up as they go along. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Actually the capacity to change over time is a good thing. In fact with regard to things like morality it is very important to be flexible. Where religion struggles is when it fails to be flexible. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Aerlinthian posted: Altra_Shadowstalker posted: validity for who? There isn't a who here. It is an absolute. One of these things has more validity than the other in an absolute sense. Granted, both are ridiculous when examined on their own merits, but as least one of them has a physical basis. Validity for what then? That's like saying, which of these is more valid, in an absolute sense: I don't know what you're trying to get at, but its a really dumb question. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Actually you can play this game with any number of belief systems that use the same epistemology. Religion v. politics? Religion v. editorials? Religion v. mythology? Religion v. North Korean Mass Media This list could be substantial and amusing. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Religion v Enk's moral beliefs? -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	My moral beliefs are quite a bit more flexible than most religions, but I'm not constrained by their obvious hypocrisy. The big difference in the validity of my belief's over religion's is how I came to gain them, through ongoing study and reflection of the human condition. Religion has to struggle with its stupid dogma for centuries to change any little thing and even then it loses droves of followers. It's all so very amusing. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: The big difference in the validity of my belief's over religion's is how I came to gain them, through ongoing study and reflection of the human condition. Where do you think religions got them? God? Where do you think you got your moral beliefs? Yourself? -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Coriolus Title: Outpost Ice Mexican Posts: 22,046 Registered: May 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 21,595 User ID: 679,996	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Astrology & religion are more closely related than you may realize. -----signature----- A thousand sheep are louder than one man. As long as the Survivor-watching sheep outnumber the thinkers, nothing will change. - BD
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	You tell me onin, where does religion say they get them? Pretty sure they say it's god/zeus/shiva/whatever...lol. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	It was a rhetorical question and it still confused you. You are boringly stupid. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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AzureTyger Title: Awesome Posts: 29,693 Registered: Apr 1, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 26,594 User ID: 663,926	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Butthurt atheists.....like moths to the flame. -----signature----- Using the mirror of ridicule to force conservatives to confront their own stupidity.
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Please feel free to skulk off, onin. Your position is indefensible. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	You made a claim that your beliefs are based on YOUR study and YOUR reflection. The idea that such a thing is any more valid than any other person's similar process is problematic. Meanwhile your claim is suspect to say the least. Not to mention you make claims against religion like it is not based on a similar process. If it isn't I have to ask what process you think created it? Your position is ignorant and illogical in multiple ways. That is why you can't answer simple questions. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Coriolus Title: Outpost Ice Mexican Posts: 22,046 Registered: May 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 21,595 User ID: 679,996	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	I love when people use the expression "Butthurt" -----signature----- A thousand sheep are louder than one man. As long as the Survivor-watching sheep outnumber the thinkers, nothing will change. - BD
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Yes, I study the great thinkers. That's what sets me apart from religion. I'm flexible in my thinking, thoughful before deciding a position, and agreeable to change if something better comes along. The same cannot be said for religion, in fact, doing so relegates religions to their rightful myth status just that much faster. I can't imagine the byzantine thought prossess religious relativists and apologists like yourself have to go through. It would be so much easier if you just gave up believing that the fairies, ghosts, gremlins, or whatever control everything. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Enkidu just proves you can be a smart educated scientist and still be totally smug and closed-minded. -----signature----- (none)
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paulg_68 Posts: 30,961 Registered: Jul 27, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 30,669 User ID: 1,364,918	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Religion has a lot more validity. Astrology is nothing but a con. There is plenty of con in religion, but there is also the desire to trick people into doing the right things. -----signature----- If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc "Everyone has a chance to become rich." - Groucho48 "Most of the human wealth on earth exists between the ears of live human beings." - theredkay1
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Not closed minded at all Yuki. Tell me where I'm going wrong, because I jus don't see it? How does having a set of rules made up thousands of years ago by unknown players look good to you? How does believing in a god who apparently didn't give a rats ass about humans for the first 150,000 years of their existence look good to you? Seriously, wtf? -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	You are basically proving my point for me. You can't resist being smug and closed-minded on the subject no matter how hard you try. P.S. I am not religious. -----signature----- (none)
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Yes, I study the great thinkers. That's what sets me apart from religion. I'm flexible in my thinking, thoughful before deciding a position, and agreeable to change if something better comes along. The same cannot be said for religion, in fact, doing so relegates religions to their rightful myth status just that much faster. I can't imagine the byzantine thought prossess religious relativists and apologists like yourself have to go through. It would be so much easier if you just gave up believing that the fairies, ghosts, gremlins, or whatever control everything. /facepalm Thanks for such a fantastic demonstration of your ignorance. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Giving you both a chance to say something intelligent here, but you don't seem up to the job. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Koneg Title: Evil Genius Posts: 31,388 Registered: Dec 4, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 28,579 User ID: 530,943	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Aerlinthian posted: Altra_Shadowstalker posted: validity for who? There isn't a who here. It is an absolute. One of these things has more validity than the other in an absolute sense. Granted, both are ridiculous when examined on their own merits, but as least one of them has a physical basis. <voice type=Yoda>...and that is why you fail</voice> Seriously, if Astrology had stayed away from anything "solid" it would have had equal validity with religion. Both after all are completely made-up belief systems. By your own metric however, religion wins the validity war, since the physical reality that astrology is based on is severely wrong (as others have already pointed out) It is the use of the real which invalidates astrology. Religion, sticking with myth and story, retains its validity precisely because its belief system cannot be empirically challenged. -----signature----- * First rule of a gun fight: Have a gun. \| "Any sufficiently advanced idiocy is indistinguishable from trolling." -- Arthur C Clarke
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Oh, it makes sense now. Enkidu thinks you need to be given a chance to be intelligent. Guess he's still waiting for his. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Giving you both a chance to say something intelligent here, but you don't seem up to the job. I have given you that same chance and you responded with nonsense. It seems Enk's moral beliefs don't seem to be that valid. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	I didn't read the thread and I'm not really interested in getting into a dispute. I'm just pointing out you're very smug and closed-minded on the subject, which makes your claim that you a superior because you're open minded rather laughable. -----signature----- (none)
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	So, all you have is name calling? I guess I win the internets today! -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Koneg Title: Evil Genius Posts: 31,388 Registered: Dec 4, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 28,579 User ID: 530,943	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Yukishiro1 posted: I didn't read the thread and I'm not really interested in getting into a dispute. I'm just pointing out you're very smug and closed-minded on the subject Admitting that you have not read the thread, presumably because your mind is made up and you don't care what arguments are being made... and then calling someone else close-minded?? -----signature----- * First rule of a gun fight: Have a gun. \| "Any sufficiently advanced idiocy is indistinguishable from trolling." -- Arthur C Clarke
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AzureTyger Title: Awesome Posts: 29,693 Registered: Apr 1, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 26,594 User ID: 663,926	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Watching a college professor behaving in such a sophomoric manner makes me feel like a voyeur. I guess it shouldn't really be surprising PhDs are just as subject to human fallibility as anyone else. And it's not like the degree is so hard to get that they should be put on a pedestal. Heck we had a professor at the local university here fired last year for leading her graduate class out onto campus to destroy an abortion cross display. -----signature----- Using the mirror of ridicule to force conservatives to confront their own stupidity.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: So, all you have is name calling? I guess I win the internets today! What kind of Byzantine thought process lead you to that conclusion? -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	You know you are doing a bad job when Koneg is trying to back you up and failing really hard too. I didn't read the thread because I didn't read the thread. Metalface is trying much too hard as usual. -----signature----- (none)
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	This board thrives on sophomoric behavior, or didn't you get the memo? Now if you would like to engage me in a real conversation about the epic fail that is religion, I'd love it. Unfortunately, trying to get people to actually think about what they are saying here, well that's Sisyphean. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Dur dur dur... wait take me serious -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	This is the best you guys have? Religion's dying, get over it. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: This board thrives on sophomoric behavior, or didn't you get the memo? Now if you would like to engage me in a real conversation about the epic fail that is religion, I'd love it. Unfortunately, trying to get people to actually think about what they are saying here, well that's Sisyphean. Why would anyone want to debate such a personal choice/belief with a closed-minded doucheguzzler? Can we discuss the benefits, if there are any? -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Koneg Title: Evil Genius Posts: 31,388 Registered: Dec 4, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 28,579 User ID: 530,943	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Yukishiro1 posted: You know you are doing a bad job when Koneg is trying to back you up and failing really hard too. I didn't read the thread because I didn't read the thread. Metalface is trying much too hard as usual. I'm not backing anyone up - I'm calling out the most mind-numbingly stupid contradiction I have ever seen. "I do not need to read any of the posts in this thread... because YOU'RE close-minded!" -----signature----- * First rule of a gun fight: Have a gun. \| "Any sufficiently advanced idiocy is indistinguishable from trolling." -- Arthur C Clarke
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: durp durp durp -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	It's funny because you are one of those people who actually makes a religion out of science. -----signature----- (none)
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Koneg posted: I'm not backing anyone up - I'm calling out the most mind-numbingly stupid contradiction I have ever seen. "I do not need to read any of the posts in this thread... because YOU'RE close-minded!" Keep digging dude. One can point out someone is being a closed-minded douche without having to read every post from the beginning of the thread. You're just kinda sad. -----signature----- (none)
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Religious people tend to be close-minded, that's not surprising. Neither is seeing an outposter self-pwn so badly because they aren't thinking about what they are saying. Religous people talking about others being close-minded is just another typical facet of their hypocrisy. I wear their barbs like badges of honor, and it is very amusing to me personally. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Religious people being closed-minded douches doesn't mean that you can't be a closed-minded douche too. You are not very good at living by your own precepts. Just like many other religious people, incidentally. -----signature----- (none)
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Religious people tend to be close-minded, You are close minded... because you put your belief before thought. Imagine that. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	You have just failed to move me, yuki or onin. Tell me what I'm missing here? -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	A mirror maybe? You are the very sort of person you claim to dislike. -----signature----- (none)
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	How is religion not like astrology? How is it not stone age thinking? What am I getting wrong here? I have to go teach now, but I'll be back in a bit... -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	I feel bad for your students. You are probably one of those professors who only gives good grades to people who agree with him. Your whole point is nonsensical. When it comes to moral judgements we all function under what you call "stone age thinking." There is no way to do otherwise. -----signature----- (none)
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Enk you have failed to even start having a conversation about religion and what it is as it relates to your own personal morality. This is why you can't begin to understand how you could approach a question of validity with regards to either religion or your own personal morality. You have come to the conclusion that only one answer can be right with regards to how you arrived at your personal morality so therefor you have convinced yourself it is true without bothering to check if it is true or not. Just that you wish it to be true. This has lead to a sense of superiority which is unfounded because it is built off of a faulty assumption. The fact you don't realize it is a faulty assumption only increases your zeal. It is literally the same problem with religious fundamentalist who fail to recognize their own assumptions and when confronted with them only become more hostile and close minded. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	No, we don't have to resort to stone-age thinking to resolve moral issues and in fact as a society the battle is always between those who still use stone-age thinking and those who use science. Fortunately, most of the time the clarity that science brings to the issue wins out. This is what drives stone-age thinkers crazy and makes me chuckle. Now the question comes down to what are you going to use to decide your morals? The best ideas of the greatest minds of our time or some ancient belief system that is an epic fail? I'm going with the smart guys and not just because I can understand them. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: No, we don't have to resort to stone-age thinking to resolve moral issues and in fact as a society the battle is always between those who still use stone-age thinking and those who use science. You can't use science to resolve moral questions. We've been over this before and in that thread you spent 50 posts ignoring the issue too. Science doesn't help you unless you've already decided what is moral and what isn't and just want to know what you can do to create that effect. It's funny because you think you are so smart and enlightened and open minded but in fact you're basically a religious neanderthal yourself and just don't realize it. -----signature----- (none)
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	No matter what you are seeking to learn you can use science to do so. You fail to grasp this last time, maybe it will sink in this time. If you are seeking to learn morality about an issue you can definately get a better answer using science than any other. Why is this so hard for you to understand? -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Now the question comes down to what are you going to use to decide your morals? The best ideas of the greatest minds of our time or some ancient belief system that is an epic fail? I'm going with the smart guys and not just because I can understand them. /facepalm You are so consistently guilty by your own standards it boggles the mind. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: No matter what you are seeking to learn you can use science to do so. You fail to grasp this last time, maybe it will sink in this time. If you are seeking to learn morality about an issue you can definately get a better answer using science than any other. Why is this so hard for you to understand? You just keep ignoring the issue. How can you use science to determine whether human life has inherent value? You can't. You have to just assume it. It is an inherently unverifiable assumption you simply have to accept (or not) without recourse to the scientific method. -----signature----- (none)
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Ahh so onin, you think you know more about morality than the thousands of philosphers who study it everyday? How does that work? -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Enkidu posted: Ahh so onin, you think you know more about morality than the thousands of philosphers who study it everyday? How does that work? That's an appeal to authority, not an appeal to science. More proof you are actually a religious thinker and don't realize it. -----signature----- (none)
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Ahh so onin, you think you know more about morality than the thousands of philosphers who study it everyday? How does that work? They would double facepalm your dumb quote. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	How do you come to decide the inherent value of human life, yuki? -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: How do you come to decide the inherent value of human life, yuki? How did you? -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: How do you come to decide the inherent value of human life, yuki? Isn't that the point? However you do it it isn't based on science. I choose to believe human life has inherent value because I consider my own life to be inherently valuable and I see no reason there's anything special about me. But I don't labor under any delusion that my judgment is verifiable scientifically. I can verify that other people think their lives are valuable but that doesn't tell me they're right. -----signature----- (none)
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Philosophy created science, yuki. Seriously, you can't be that stupid. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Philosophy doesn't operate through verifiable hypotheses. But I changed my comment because I thought it was funnier to skewer you for using an appeal to authority given your pretentious lecture about sources of knowledge. -----signature----- (none)
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Philosophy created science, yuki. Seriously, you can't be that stupid. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Yukishiro1 posted: Philosophy doesn't operate through verifiable hypotheses. But I changed my comment because I thought it was funnier to skewer you for using an appeal to authority given your pretentious lecture about sources of knowledge. He has made many rather pathetic logical fallacies in this thread. He is clearly trolling with stupid and thinks he is clever. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	I dunno. I don't think he's trolling. I think he's just honestly totally unaware of how much of a religious thinker he actually is. You see it a lot in academia. P.S. Again I am not religious but belief in a God or Gods is no more inherently ridiculous than belief in the inherent value of human life. They both are both faith-based judgements that basically boil down to "I feel this way therefore I will assume it is true." -----signature----- (none)
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger Posts: 11,159 Registered: Dec 24, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,462 User ID: 572,873	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Your approach is missing, yuki, but we'll move on. You decided that all human life has inherent value based on an intuition and it could be very wrong. Your starting point should be does all human life have inherent value and test the application of no value and value to different situations to reach a better answer. In fact, I believe you have already done that, because I'm sure that you don't value all human life the same. If you believe abortion, death sentences, self-defence, and warfare are legitimate then you clearly do not grant inherent value in all cases. -----signature----- (( )) ......Portrait o.O ..........of \|\|\|\| ....Muhammad
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	The scientific method relies on how the scientist feels now? Fascinating... What do you teach Enk? Or better yet, who do you teach? -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 35,113 Registered: Jun 29, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 23,763 User ID: 1,062,657	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Your approach is missing, yuki, but we'll move on. You decided that all human life has inherent value based on an intuition and it could be very wrong. Your starting point should be does all human life have inherent value and test the application of no value and value to different situations to reach a better answer. In fact, I believe you have already done that, because I'm sure that you don't value all human life the same. If you believe abortion, death sentences, self-defence, and warfare are legitimate then you clearly do not grant inherent value in all cases. holy crap you fail at logic hard. WTF? I am constantly amazed at how bad you are at being a know it all atheist. -----signature----- "Okay... I'm with you fellas" --Delmar F is for Fake-believe "We apologise for the inconvenience" --God "What Jesus fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem"--Reg Run, Forrest! Run!
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Scarne Title: Capo di Scientifico Posts: 27,710 Registered: Jul 23, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 22,798 User ID: 272,061	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	Scientists were "philosophers" up until the word scientist was coined in the 1800s. -----signature----- E Pluribus Unum
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 38,362 Registered: Sep 20, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 31,453 User ID: 718,633	Subject: What has more validity, astrology or religion?
	_Enkidu_ posted: Your starting point should be does all human life have inherent value and test the application of no value and value to different situations to reach a better answer. But the only thing I can base my judgment of whether one answer is "better" or not is my own intuition or "stone age thinking" or whatever you choose to call it this post. You can't escape from having to make unverifiable value judgments which no scientific experiment can validate or invalidate. -----signature----- (none)
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