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who knew we'd see a marketing clusterf--- bigger than the Netflix debacle so soon.
And this has some nice results. like a nice big pushback on the insane culture war witchhunt.
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Elocism posted:
Don't tell me you missed the Susan G. Komen foundation taking their brand, pooping on it and then setting it on fire? Just for trying to stick it to Planned Parenthood.
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She could have easily told Planned Parenthood and that crook Barbara Boxer to go F themselves. The fact she even acknowledged them gave them power. "Sorry, we are sticking to cancer research"...Done.
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I didn't really give a shit about the feminazi slap fight.
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Well i'm sorry you're an idiot on this topic AT.
Planned Parenthood is a healthcare provider for low-income areas. Their work is important.
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That would have actually required thinking up a good reason to defund hundreds of other organizations. which would have been a whole new shitstorm. But nice try Bowlartz.
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They've apologized and they're sending funds again. Since it is a charity, has taken these actions, and will continue doing good work, I'm forgetting the whole thing.
The backlash at Komen was surprising, but heartening. None of this had anything to do with abortion. It's women's health!
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Institutions that receive government funding shouldn't provide abortions.
If you think their work is important, then split them up into two separate organizations.
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That would have actually required thinking up a good reason to defund hundreds of other organizations. which would have been a whole new shitstorm. But nice try Bowlartz.
I am not really quite sure what is so difficult about a charity that is 100% identified with breast cancer to the general public simply giving all its money to...breast cancer research and direct treatment. Simple, easy...makes the entire issue go away. Planned Parenthood is in no way needed to provide cancer treatment for the poor...in fact odds are a solid chunk of the money given them is lost to a secondary layer of administration.
Who would have had a leg to stand on if they had made that announcement?
"We demand you keep giving charity X money, those women can go die of breast cancer for all we care!!".
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Institutions that receive government funding shouldn't provide abortions.
If you think their work is important, then split them up into two separate organizations.
While I see your point, and agree with it on some levels, it has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.
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Tax dollars are used to fund abortions. The people at Planned Parenthood play accounting games and pretend that isn't the fact, but it is the fact.
Pro lifers are not fooled. They want it stopped.
So then Planned Parenthood plays accounting games and pretends like pro lifers are trying to defund cancer testing.
Pro lifers are still not fooled. Only Obrien is fooled.
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Sea of Ink, you've missed a lot. I wouldn't trust them to not try to pull this again in the future. and there are better charities that are more reliable and send more of their cash to actually doing the work.
Bowlartz, they specifically cut off planned parenthood, while giving money to other orgs that do exactly what PP does. They've never been donating exclusively to orgs that deal with research, and sorry screenings are direct treatment.
And your dual layers of adminstration argument is bullcrap. Why give to the komen foundation at all and why not give directly to Research and treatment centers. That cuts out a layer of admin costs.
PP provides all sorts of medical services to low income areas. Anyone who cares about health issues supports planned parenthood.
Paul you're making the money is fungible argument eh?
If you're consistent with that principle than every single religious charity should never receive federal grants because seperation of church and state.
And if you're using that standard you'd also have to defund hundreds of hospitals around the country.. blah blah. That argument is madness.
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I had no idea before this that PP even performed mammograms and other cancer detection services for women, let alone that they were funded by Komen. I also learned that a close friend of mine from high school received a Planned Parenthood breast exam in 2000 and caught a tumor in its early stages, saving her from a mastectomy or worse.
I don't disagree with Komen providing the funds, but I do think that Planned Parenthood has allowed their mission to go beyond their original charter. Whether that's so that they can get more money for abortions or if it's just due to inept managers who are convinced that they must expand to improve, I really don't know. I'm grateful they're doing what they're doing, but I'd be more comfortable if they'd spin off women's health issues that are not involved with family planning into another nonprofit.
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Why the hell wouldn't Planned Parenthood be involved with breast cancer screening?
I mean its awful that people can go to one place and get multiple health services. Inefficiency in health care is good!
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Why the hell wouldn't Planned Parenthood be involved with breast cancer screening?
I mean its awful that people can go to one place and get multiple health services. Inefficiency in health care is good!
Because it has nothing to do with planning parenthood? I would think that's kind of obvious.
Your justification of efficiency is pretty dumb, even for you. How many women roll in one day and decide to get a mammogram and an abortion?
Like I said, I'm glad they're doing it, but it's certainly not what people think they're doing. If they want to be a one-stop-shop, they should consider changing the name to something more descriptive of being a free women's clinic.
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Oh i always forget that breasts have nothing to do with reproductive health.
And you keep on talking about abortions.. something wrong with your head?
Was your friend getting an abortion when she got her breast exam?
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So the official state established religion is still getting its tithes?
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Institutions that receive government funding shouldn't provide abortions.
They absolutely should. That's where it's needed most. All the pro-life arglebargle can suck it as long as Roe v Wade is valid.
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Well i'm sorry you're an idiot on this topic AT.
Planned Parenthood is a healthcare provider for low-income areas. Their work is important.
Planned Parenthood has a billion dollar budget. The loss of $600,000 from a charity foundation was of minimal impact. This was a purely ideological fight by feminists using scare tactics and a bully pulpit to win.
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There was no fight, public backlash ended the fight before it even began.
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Remnant_OBrien posted:
If you're consistent with that principle than every single religious charity should never receive federal grants because seperation of church and state.
Being religious shouldn't preclude them but if they try to teach or spread their religion then they should be barred from receiving public funding.
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And if you're using that standard you'd also have to defund hundreds of hospitals around the country.. blah blah. That argument is madness.
It's not madness. The solution is simple and I already provided it.
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There was no fight, public backlash ended the fight before it even began.
Sure, I can agree with that assessment. But whatever you call it, it amounted to little more than an ideological slap fight between anti abortion elements and butthurt feminists.
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Is AT regressing back to his conservative roots?
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No, he is laughing at everyone that is getting PMS over this. Its a non issue being hissed back and forth between partisan fems.
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Well i'm sorry you're an idiot on this topic AT.
Planned Parenthood is a healthcare provider for low-income areas. Their work is important.
Planned Parenthood has a billion dollar budget. The loss of $600,000 from a charity foundation was of minimal impact. This was a purely ideological fight by feminists using scare tactics and a bully pulpit to win.
Similarly, Komen gives out millions in grants and only gives a fraction of these to PP. If Komen redistributed this money it would most likely go to other organizations filling the same role, yet suddenly THIS ONE GRANT IS IMPORTANT!
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Is AT regressing back to his conservative roots?
No. I believe in the missions of both Planned Parenthood and Komen. I support reproductive rights and Planned Parenthood providing those services to underserved women. I also feel that Komen is a private charity and that men and women (donors) are far from unified in their views on abortion. I have no doubt that the decision was prompted by pro life factions within Komen. But its relatively small contribution to Planned Parenthood makes all of the wailing, gnashing of teeth, and overstated complaints painfully transparent to me. It was basically dogmatic feminists feeling threatened by dogmatic pro lifers. I understand it was public spectacle and that Remnant is just following the script.
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How bout this, it was dogmatic pro-lifers altering the mission of one of the biggest charities, In a way that betrays prioritizes something else above their mission.
I fail to see why they sh ould get a pass for this.
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Why do they need a pass?
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How bout this, it was dogmatic pro-lifers altering the mission of one of the biggest charities, In a way that betrays prioritizes something else above their mission.
I fail to see why they sh ould get a pass for this.
Of course you don't. Most ideologues never do.
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I didn't really give a shit about the feminazi slap fight.
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I didn't really give a shit about the feminazi slap fight.
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The forces that fight for all that is good and decent have sent the women hating prolifers back into their holes once again!
Fun fact: Remember this guy?
He's the head of public relations for Komen.
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I find it enjoyable when partisans eat their own.
I feel bad for the low income women and families that butthurt fest harms.
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The forces that fight for all that is good and decent have sent the women hating prolifers back into their holes once again!
Fun fact: Remember this guy?
He's the head of public relations for Komen.
Well that settles it, obviously they're a front for the RNC!
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I find it enjoyable when partisans eat their own.
I feel bad for the low income women and families that butthurt fest harms.
It didn't really hurt anyone but Komen and they deserve it for politicizing women's health. There are many better, less high-profile breast cancer charities to donate to.
PP made out like a bandit. The raised three million the day Komen announced they cared more about politics than women's health.
And it's only going to get worse for Komen when this comes out.
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Well that settles it, obviously they're a front for the RNC!
You seem really ignorant on this subject. Maybe you should fix that.
The Washington Post posted:
After the Susan G. Komen Foundation for the Cure’s decision to defund Planned Parenthood, attention has focused on its Vice President for Policy, Karen Handel. She joined the group last January after a failed run for governor in Georgia, where she had advocated defunding Planned Parenthood.
Do you understand now?
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I'll still donate to Komen and will participate in the walk for the cure again this year. It's unfortunate that rabid partisans like Voodoo and Redundant will punish an organization like Komen for following their own rules, even after they made a special case just to ease their butthurt. I suppose Komen did bring it upon themselves, though. They should have realized the /wharbargl that would be released by dropping the PP grant was going to be a lose/lose for them.
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Charities should be judged by the quality of their political connections rather than their mission!
Yes, I understand perfectly.
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It didn't really hurt anyone but Komen and they deserve it for politicizing women's health.
Yeah that's never happened. Both sides do this so often it's sickening.
God your hypocrisy is truly unlimited isn't it?
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Voodoo-Dahl posted:
It didn't really hurt anyone but Komen and they deserve it for politicizing women's health.
Yeah that's never happened. Both sides do this so often it's sickening.
God your hypocrisy is truly unlimited isn't it?
No, I don't live in your 'both sides' fantasy world.
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No, I don't live in your 'both sides' fantasy world.
You should put that in your sig, Tych.
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It's a big fecking deal. It shows how a "charity" has been co-opted and turned into a money machine to fund the political and religious goals of a small group of very rich and connected people.
Millions of people support the charity thinking they are helping, in their small way, to fight against a disease that kills or devastates the lives of ten's of thousands of women each year....and their families. Instead, the good will, effort, and money of all those people is used to further the goals of the bastards who took control of the organization. Instead of working to help and support women, they shit on them in order to push their concerns...which have absolutely nothing to do with what the charity is supposed to be dealing with.
It's a story of the hubris and absolute disregard for honesty and integrity that those bastard show, and their absolute shock that anyone would dare even think to oppose them.
"Pink ribbons" is a dead marketing tactic. Thanks to people actually giving a god damn and not just shrugging and saying "whatever", such a nakedly opportunistic and frankly, evil, overreach by fundamentalist nut bags has not only back fired, but has destroyed the organization those fundies took control of.
Everyone should care a lot about where "charity" money goes and what it is used for, fiscal "conservatives" in particular. I don't expect any of the usual suspects to actually admit it, or, in many cases, wake up enough to understand it...but it's a big fecking deal despite the willful ignorance and apathy of the so called "independents" and "moderates" on this board. The "conservatives" here of course will try to mock their way past the fact that their chosen people just got the shit kicked out of them.
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No, I don't live in your 'both sides' fantasy world.
You should put that in your sig, Tych.
I think I will.
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No, I don't live in your 'both sides' fantasy world.
You should put that in your sig, Tych.
You don't have to get all butt hurt because I pointed out you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.
It happens all the time. This is The Outpost!
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No, I don't live in your 'both sides' fantasy world.
You should put that in your sig, Tych.
I think I will.
Okay, fine I'll humor you. Give me an example of the left politicizing women's health, both sides guy. Point out my hypocrisy.
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I give my money to Komen because they're researching a cure for breast cancer, aiding in preventative medicine and providing comfort to those affected. I'm satisfied that they're accomplishing this mission whether or not they're giving about 1/10th of 1 percent of their budget to Planned Parenthood.
What you guys are failing to grasp here is that your backlash has been way worse than the original offense, particularly considering the fact that Komen redacted their position within 24 hours.
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In many areas a PP clinic is the only place available for a poor woman to get a breast exam and, if necessary, a referral for a mammogram. Cutting funding for this because a very small % of PP is devoted to providing the perfectly legal option of abortion, is ideological tripe of the first order. The fact that Komen keeps changing the reason it uses for defunding PP is more evidence of this.
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Komen has no obligation to fund PP.
Whether or not they do does not change the fact that they do a lot of good for a lot of people.
Besides they have changed their position, right? So, obviously they're are concerned with what people think and need. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
If you want people to listen to you it would probably be a good idea not to continue to bitching about them even after they change their mind and accept your position.
Jesus you partisan assclowns will carry on about anything if it gives you a chance to get on a soap box.
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Actually, Komen has only said it would honor existing contracts and that PP would be allowed to submit applications when those contracts run out. No assurances that the contracts will actually be renewed.
Meanwhile, partisans ideologues have been focusing on destroying PP for at least a decade. If you are annoyed by "partisan assclowns" perhaps you should address your annoyance to them.
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I'll still donate to Komen and will participate in the walk for the cure again this year. It's unfortunate that rabid partisans like Voodoo and Redundant will punish an organization like Komen for following their own rules, even after they made a special case just to ease their butthurt. I suppose Komen did bring it upon themselves, though. They should have realized the /wharbargl that would be released by dropping the PP grant was going to be a lose/lose for them.
Yawn whatever.
SGK staffers said they made up the rule solely so they could drop Planned Parenthood And its not like they've actually followed that rule with anyone else.
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I give my money to Komen because they're researching a cure for breast cancer, aiding in preventative medicine and providing comfort to those affected. I'm satisfied that they're accomplishing this mission whether or not they're giving about 1/10th of 1 percent of their budget to Planned Parenthood.
What you guys are failing to grasp here is that your backlash has been way worse than the original offense, particularly considering the fact that Komen redacted their position within 24 hours.
False. its an awareness org. They raise awareness, and cash. then distribute cash after taking a %
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Komen has no obligation to fund PP.
Whether or not they do does not change the fact that they do a lot of good for a lot of people.
Besides they have changed their position, right? So, obviously they're are concerned with what people think and need. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.
If you want people to listen to you it would probably be a good idea not to continue to bitching about them even after they change their mind and accept your position.
Jesus you partisan assclowns will carry on about anything if it gives you a chance to get on a soap box.
They have no obligation. But if they were actually interested in preventing breast cancer they have no reason not too.
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Yawn whatever.
Exactly. That should have been your original post.
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The real story should be how hardly any of the money given to SKG actually goes towards cancer research.
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