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This is basically what I'm starting with.. I took a template from a company that builds computers and tweaked it a bit, since it's 6 years since I built my last computer I'm going to let the pro's handle that..
This is what I have come up with so far:
Chassis: Corsair Graphite 600TM Midi Tower black
Power supply: Corsair TX V2 650W PSU -I'm unsure if 650w is enough
Processor: Intel® Core i7-2600 Processor -I thought about the K model but decided against it since I do not intend to overclock my rig.
Motherboard: MSI Z68A-GD65 (Gen3), Socket-1155 -I've always like MSI boards..
Memory: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 16GB CL9 -Thought about going 32gig, seems excessive.
Graphics card: MSI GeForce GTX 560Ti 2GB PhysX -I thought about going for the Gainward version or simply getting a beefier card.. This seems to be quite enough, I can always upgrade later.
As HD's I'm using the Western Digital SATA from my old rig and my old Corsair SSD..
and at around 1 200€ or 1 577$ it's a pretty sweet deal, anything I should add or change?
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at a glance and from memory it seems too expensive IMO at $1500 for what you are getting
i think it's easy enough to do yourself
p.s. i don't see a ram fan or a cpu cooler
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at a glance and from memory it seems too expensive IMO at $1500 for what you are getting
i think it's easy enough to do yourself
p.s. i don't see a ram fan or a cpu cooler
Well it's hellishly expensive to buy electronics in Sweden.
They include a cpu cooler in the build, I have no idea what they are using however.
RAM cooler? They need coolers? The tower by itself has two 200mm fans and another one at 120mm.
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if you OC your ram at all its good to have a fan for them...
ram is pretty easy to OC
i haven't looked in detail at your mobo....but everything else is fine...your video card is a little weak...but overall its a decent comp
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Def improve your cooling situation like weird-face-guy says. I had a liquid cooler for my last system and it was well worth it: almost completely silent cooling that had better cooling than those systems that sound like a Harrier jet taking off.
16gb should be plenty for the near future. I have a measly 6gb and it's usually sufficient with not much HD grinding. The SSD you mention should make grinding even less of an issue.
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They include a cpu cooler in the build, I have no idea what they are using however.
just hope it isn't the stock cooler that comes with the cpu...they tend to suck pretty bad
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if you OC your ram at all its good to have a fan for them...
ram is pretty easy to OC
i haven't looked in detail at your mobo....but everything else is fine...your video card is a little weak...but overall its a decent comp
This is a lot more complicated then it used to be, I'm getting to ooold for this shit..
I dunno about the vid card, feels kinda stupid to pay 700 dollars for a graph card which will cost half of that within 2 years..
why on gods green earth does the MSI GeForce GTX 570 1280MB PhysX cost more then the MSI GeForce GTX 560Ti 2GB PhysX? I mean the GTX 570 has less RAM power then the 560i they both run DDR5
The Mobo is fine supports the 1600mhz of the RAM and it can handle 32gig if I feel like it.
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Phlegm573 posted:
Def improve your cooling situation like weird-face-guy says. I had a liquid cooler for my last system and it was well worth it: almost completely silent cooling that had better cooling than those systems that sound like a Harrier jet taking off.
16gb should be plenty for the near future. I have a measly 6gb and it's usually sufficient with not much HD grinding. The SSD you mention should make grinding even less of an issue.
I do not like liquid cooling it's always gone against every fiber of my being to have any sort of liquid in a computer..
I'm not that worried about noise, my computer is not in my bedroom. I'm pretty sure the corsair tower will take care of most of it.
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bigger power supply
I thought about that too, everything in the rig is currently set for about 550mhz.. 650 should be enough.
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if you OC your ram at all its good to have a fan for them...
ram is pretty easy to OC
i haven't looked in detail at your mobo....but everything else is fine...your video card is a little weak...but overall its a decent comp
This is a lot more complicated then it used to be, I'm getting to ooold for this shit..
I dunno about the vid card, feels kinda stupid to pay 700 dollars for a graph card which will cost half of that within 2 years..
why on gods green earth does the MSI GeForce GTX 570 1280MB PhysX cost more then the MSI GeForce GTX 560Ti 2GB PhysX? I mean the GTX 570 has less RAM power then the 560i they both run DDR5
The Mobo is fine supports the 1600mhz of the RAM and it can handle 32gig if I feel like it.
because the gpu in the 570 is more powerful than a standard 560 ti
i bought an evga 560ti 448 core classified .....its a 570 chip on a 560ti board.....it is every bit as powerful as a stock 570 and is about $50 cheaper than a 570 and about $50 more expensive than a standard 560ti
they are fantastic cards for the money...
p.s. and this isn't as complicated as it used to be....things are much more simple now IMO....
your system as listed is fine...but insist on an aftermarket coolermaster cpu cooler and you should be golden...
the reason i mentioned the video card at all is because of the large upgrade to virtually a 570 for just $50 extra if you get a 560ti 448 core
p.p.s your psu should be fine but you could always be a little on the safe side and go with a 750w because they become about 20% more inefficient over time
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Walker: I do not like it when less RAM on a card indicates moar powah! Because of magic with the GPU.. Either way I'm going with the 570 might as well since it's what is better!
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Walker: I do not like it when less RAM on a card indicates moar powah! Because of magic with the GPU.. Either way I'm going with the 570 might as well since it's what is better!
look at it this way
which is the more powerful system
a computer with a pentium 4 with 32 gbs ram(removing technical barriers)
or an i7 with 16 gbs ram?
the gpu on most cards will be the bottleneck....not ram
amount of ram on a card doesn't matter in most applications....unless you are running multiple monitors
but if you are dead set on getting a 2gb card then have at it! it won't hurt anything
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Imo if the price diff is small, go for a K model and beefier cooler. So easy to OC so just do it for the heck of it.
But sure the stock speeds are good too, most of the kick for gaming comes from the graphics card.
Don't bother clocking ans cooling the men, its marginal for modern Intel comps.
Also the reason a smaller RAM graphics card could be better is because you need as fast RAM as pos. For advanced FSAA and the like, if thats your thing. Usually if a cars has extra ram its slower and/or may have lower bus width (again giving lower performance in some cases).
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Posted from my Fucking smartphone so spelling is iffy.
As for power 650 from a quality PSU is >> cheaper with higher watts. I'm running a power hungrier rig than yours on 500w with room to spare.
Yes and GET an SSD!
IN SHORT:
You're fine with that setup.
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Imo if the price diff is small, go for a K model and beefier cooler. So easy to OC so just do it for the heck of it.
But sure the stock speeds are good too, most of the kick for gaming comes from the graphics card.
Don't bother clocking ans cooling the men, its marginal for modern Intel comps.
Also the reason a smaller RAM graphics card could be better is because you need as fast RAM as pos. For advanced FSAA and the like, if thats your thing. Usually if a cars has extra ram its slower and/or may have lower bus width (again giving lower performance in some cases).
And here I thought you were on a weekly bender 
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Posted from my Fucking smartphone so spelling is iffy.
As for power 650 from a quality PSU is >> cheaper with higher watts. I'm running a power hungrier rig than yours on 500w with room to spare.
Yes and GET an SSD!
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Enjoy!
So I do not need 750 watts? I'm fine with 650? even if I choose to upgrade a bit later on?
I already has a corsair SSD 
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My rig draws ~335W during full load measured weath wattmeter in the wall outlet.
(my old company kept one to calculate power draw when projecting&deploying server farms)
Sure go 750W if you're intendin to run SLI/xfire and/or overclock, or just for piece of mind.
(and yes Im on my weekly binge now  )
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If you're gonna spend over 1k to it, do yourself a favor and order from Germany, you'll safe yourself few hundred in total
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You don't really need an i7 if you're planning on mostly games. Go with an i5-2500 and it'l do just as well and save you some money. Thats what I did and I'm glad I didn't spend the extra $200 for an i7 that i didn't really need even if it was ooo shiny.
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My rig draws ~335W during full load measured weath wattmeter in the wall outlet.
(my old company kept one to calculate power draw when projecting&deploying server farms)
Sure go 750W if you're intendin to run SLI/xfire and/or overclock, or just for piece of mind.
(and yes Im on my weekly binge now )
I'll get the 750 then...
what is SLI and xfire?
oh you bastard, I'm off the sauce until the 22th going to my country house in the south, ice fishing if the ice holds and going to bathe in the ice and sauna
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If you're gonna spend over 1k to it, do yourself a favor and order from Germany, you'll safe yourself few hundred in total
Cool any recommendations on company/pages to order from?
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You don't really need an i7 if you're planning on mostly games. Go with an i5-2500 and it'l do just as well and save you some money. Thats what I did and I'm glad I didn't spend the extra $200 for an i7 that i didn't really need even if it was ooo shiny.
I'm getting the beefy processor so that I won't have to build a new rig or replace it, everything else I can replace myself.. graphics card, RAM, HD'S.. I'll even get the K model so I can overclock.
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http://geizhals.at/de/ lets you use pricewatch
Ive used mindfactory.de, they understand english and accept payments with paypal
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what is SLI and xfire?
Running two or more graphics cards in tandem!
SLI = nVidias
X-Fire (crossfire) = ATis
LIke so:
IMO more work and trouble than it's worth cause:
* Bigger power draw and heats up PC more (usually one card is "sandwiched" since they're close together)
* Quirky to get to work with some games (partial or bad support, sometimes due to drivers)
* Doesn't scale as well as you'd expect (usually far from double performance with 2 cards, etc)
* Obv. noisier with two cards and their fans
Oh and you have to make sure you have enough PCI express power cables from the power supply to connect all cards. Expect to need 4 "x6" cables at least if running two medium to high end cards, 2 x8 and 2 x6 if running the biggest ones. (or sometimes you can use converters to get power from regular molex/sata)
I just can't be arsed with this shit, buy 1 decent graphics card for my comp when getting a new PC, then upgrading with a new upper middle end card 2-3 years down the line. Hassle-free.
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I'm getting the beefy processor so that I won't have to build a new rig or replace it, everything else I can replace myself.. graphics card, RAM, HD'S.. I'll even get the K model so I can overclock.
For games, a 2500k is just as good as a 2700k. I believe the only difference is a very tiny increase in processor speed and cache and the 2700 has hyperthreading, which isn't used in games. The 2500k is trivially easy to overclock. I overclocked mine from 3300 to 4000 just using a utility that came with the motherboard and moving a slider over a bit. Though, for any current game, 3300 is more than sufficient that the cpu won't be a bottleneck.
If you are thinking of having the computer for a while, definitely go 2500k and make sure your motherboard is compatible with the next gen Intel Ivy Bridge processor, which is due out sometime this year. Many manufacturers have a motherboard that will be compatible. A new gen of processors, designed to be compatible with Ivy Bridge, will be coming out around the same time.
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Manegarm posted:
what is SLI and xfire?
Running two or more graphics cards in tandem!
SLI = nVidias
X-Fire (crossfire) = ATis
LIke so:
IMO more work and trouble than it's worth cause:
* Bigger power draw and heats up PC more (usually one card is "sandwiched" since they're close together)
* Quirky to get to work with some games (partial or bad support, sometimes due to drivers)
* Doesn't scale as well as you'd expect (usually far from double performance with 2 cards, etc)
* Obv. noisier with two cards and their fans
Oh and you have to make sure you have enough PCI express power cables from the power supply to connect all cards. Expect to need 4 "x6" cables at least if running two medium to high end cards, 2 x8 and 2 x6 if running the biggest ones. (or sometimes you can use converters to get power from regular molex/sata)
I just can't be arsed with this shit, buy 1 decent graphics card for my comp when getting a new PC, then upgrading with a new upper middle end card 2-3 years down the line. Hassle-free.
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Oh hells no! exactly, get a new gen card in 3 years get more RAM and you're good to go for another 2.
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I'm getting the beefy processor so that I won't have to build a new rig or replace it, everything else I can replace myself.. graphics card, RAM, HD'S.. I'll even get the K model so I can overclock.
For games, a 2500k is just as good as a 2700k. I believe the only difference is a very tiny increase in processor speed and cache and the 2700 has hyperthreading, which isn't used in games. The 2500k is trivially easy to overclock. I overclocked mine from 3300 to 4000 just using a utility that came with the motherboard and moving a slider over a bit. Though, for any current game, 3300 is more than sufficient that the cpu won't be a bottleneck.
If you are thinking of having the computer for a while, definitely go 2500k and make sure your motherboard is compatible with the next gen Intel Ivy Bridge processor, which is due out sometime this year. Many manufacturers have a motherboard that will be compatible. A new gen of processors, designed to be compatible with Ivy Bridge, will be coming out around the same time.
Yeah I read up about the MSI board it has the same kind of OC utility installed, only problem then is cooling which I will solve come monday.
Hmm I wonder if my MSI gen 3 motherboard will support the next processors.. either way this rig will keep me happy for a few years
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