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I don't understand how legally my boss' boss can arbitrarily say we can no longer be any further from work than our homes when we are on call. We are not paid to be on-call, so how can they dictate our location? This is the email I just got:
The email text:
All, I wanted to take an opportunity to make sure everyone is aware of what it means to be on call in NSS. While we haven’t have any issues with this, I just wanted to be clear.
Please read over the attached policy (NSS) which incorporates a base I.S. policy. If you have any questions please discuss with your supervisor and if necessary feel free to contact me.
If you have no issues please sign and return to me by the end of next week.
Person A and Person B I you will be responsible for your team’s forms.
Thanks and let me know if you have any questions.
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Company Network, Security, and Video Operations
OnCall Expectations/Practices
- Adhere to Information Services Off Hours Support Policy (see next page)
- All NSS departments should maintain and publish (via a Public Folder or other means) an on call calendar indicating who is on call and for what period this covers.
- All staff under Network, Security, and Video Operations are expected to be part of on call rotations for specified areas, unless otherwise noted by the Associate Director of Network, Security, and Video Operations.
- Employees assigned to be on call are expected to adhere to the following guidelines:
o Respond to all on call pages received, including numeric only numbers
o Incidents must be responded to within 15 minutes. If the page is not responded to within 15 minutes, the call will be escalated and your supervisor will be contacted.
o You must remain within your normal driving distance of the campus (unless specified differently by the Associate Director of Network, Security, and Video Operations).
o If you need to report to any property to facilitate any on call responsibilities, you are expected to be able to dispatch immediately after it is determined this is necessary. If you cannot, then you must notify your supervisor immediately for an alternate to be dispatched.
o If you are on call and need to be unavailable, you are required to notify your supervisor and make arrangements for someone to back you up, and if necessary, transfer the on call pager to this person.
o You are expected to be able to perform your job functions during your on call shift.
- Compensation for your time on call:
o You will be compensated when performing any work from an on call incident. On call pay begins when you begin work on the issue.
o If you must respond and perform work, you will be compensated per the Information Services Off Hours Support Policy attached to this document
o Your time worked will be overtime or compensatory time, whichever is appropriate for your title. The option to flex your time during the same pay week the on call hours were accrued is available, with prior approval from your supervisor or Associate Director of Network, Security, and Video Operations.
There was a second page, but that was the official work on-call policy that just covered compensation.
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Good luck in your new job search SC.
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taking advantage.... what profanity
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Sounds like on call is just a way of not paying you during time between calls.
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Are you salary or hourly?
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...sounds like our oncall here...
I've been chewed out for standing in line @ the grocery store when I got a page...and I 'Didn't respond in a timely fashion'.
What am I gunna do, bail outta line, run to the vehicle, speed home/to the office to see if I can resolve it? No. I checked out, went home, chucked the milk and butter in the fridge and then logged in remotely to see what was up.
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Consider yourself lucky, at least you get some form of real compensation based on time worked. We can get f'ed over all night for the flat rate bs that is nowhere near proper compensation considering the loss of quality of life especially when it affects family members too.
Many companies are pulling this $%^& today, sadly, because they can. They literally want you to leave so they can either bring someone in at a fraction of the cost of you or just spread the work around and not hire anyone new, ie more savings.
They can dictate these things because they can.
I agree, it is BS!
Now most likely unless you boss is a complete t00l, they will be somewhat understanding and cover your back when something happens. We have international counterparts who heard us talking about leaving the house when we were oncall one day and how that can take sometime to get back home to address an issue and they asked us: "You leave the house?"
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You will be compensated when performing any work from an on call incident. On call pay begins when you begin work on the issue.
I rotate on call for an IT department at a hospital. When I am called for work I go on the clock the moment I am paged. I am on the clock while driving to the hospital and I receive mileage.
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I was on-call at my last job but at least I got $30/day even if I didn't get called. Before that I was on-call without that but the other job perks made up for it.
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Jyiiga posted:
You will be compensated when performing any work from an on call incident. On call pay begins when you begin work on the issue.
I rotate on call for an IT department at a hospital. When I am called for work I go on the clock the moment I am paged. I am on the clock while driving to the hospital and I receive mileage.
Yep, I told him he was lucky to be getting that.
In my case, many moons ago we got ~15% added to pay for oncall, great deal, a few years later cut in half, worse deal, a few years later cut in half again, dayum!. Now that is it, despite time invested.
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Jeez, 15 min? I get a whole hour.
Though half the time they skip the on-call number and just call me directly, whether or not I'm on call 
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Dark_EternalFF posted:
Though half the time they skip the on-call number and just call me directly, whether or not I'm on call
This is frustrating.
I've been called at 6AM by an ISP partner because they were having issues. I don't answer. I'm not oncall, you woke me up...
And then they leave me nasty VMs...
Great way to start a day.
The newest 'oh great' moment is because techs started handing out my number to clients, and just any joe who wanted help. Gotten about 15 calls this week from random people...I'm like "Who are you? How did you get this number?"
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Dark_EternalFF posted:
Jeez, 15 min? I get a whole hour.
We have never been read the riot act, yet, about actual time, but our international counterparts say they have a 15 minute time frame too to be actually working the issue. So they indirectly expect it from us, but that is some BS, that means you are essentially imprisoned at home during that period.
DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
I don't answer. I'm not oncall, you woke me up...
Why is the phone even on or near your bed to wake you up then? When I am not oncall mine is nowhere it can bother me.
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regulator_cracka posted:
DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
I don't answer. I'm not oncall, you woke me up...
Why is the phone even on or near your bed to wake you up then? When I am not oncall mine is nowhere it can bother me.
One of our 'rules' here at work is everyone must have their phone on and with them 'JIC' the bosses need to contact you.
I've gotten in sh** multiple times because I think this is garbage. I'm not picking up after someone else...yell at them if they're incompetent or not answering their phone.
I was even supposed to take my phone with me to Mexico so that if there was an emergency I could help them. I LOL'd and left it at home.
This year I draw the line. They can fire me if they want. I'm done being walked all over.
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Man it sounds like lots of IT peeps have some crappy hours. Meanwhile I can't find an IT person for an easy 9-5 office with no tech support that shows up and gets *&*( done. I think our work is too boring or something. We never have any problems here, it's all just about doing new crap.
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Yeah, that is some real BS! Lol, keep it by the bed every night. LOL!
I semi-fixed that with my bosses once, every time I got a bogus call, ie false emergency, or even a wrong number in the middle of the night, which happened often. I would call me boss just to let him know I was up and now so is he.
To top it off one of our more worthless managers likes to pull the "well my battery must have died in the night so I never got the call". I use that now too.
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Your bosses boss just messed up.
If you are required to remain within a restrictive specified distance from your job site during on call time, you are entitled to your full regular hourly pay during that time according to FLSA.
This came up years ago when I worked for lifelink and it was eventually resolved...in the employees favor.
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
Dark_EternalFF posted:
Though half the time they skip the on-call number and just call me directly, whether or not I'm on call
This is frustrating.
I've been called at 6AM by an ISP partner because they were having issues. I don't answer. I'm not oncall, you woke me up...
And then they leave me nasty VMs...
Great way to start a day.
The newest 'oh great' moment is because techs started handing out my number to clients, and just any joe who wanted help. Gotten about 15 calls this week from random people...I'm like "Who are you? How did you get this number?"
I don't get that luxury. We work at the absolute top level, so the only way we usually get a call is if senior management/VPs have visibility on the issue or it's stopping production work on a massive scale. If someone calls me directly, I've gotta take it.
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This is one reason I love being a consultant. We work on the projects, don't contract for on-call support (escalations go to the vendors). I may get 1-2 very high level emergency calls in the course of a year, so there are rare exceptions.
Regarding the policy above, It sounds like it is meant to be formal clarification of what was already expected from on-call personnel (and they don't sound unreasonable for an on-call position that could require on-site work to resolve). If it is really a change that is introducing further restrictions, then use it as a reason to discuss an increase in compensation (or at least point it out at your next review). If nobody pushes back on changes imposed by management, they'll keep taking more and more over time.
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Some history...I work IT work for a Texas college. I am an exempt, salaried employee. I know right before last xmas my boss's boss called him at like 7PM one evening, while we were on scheduled holiday time off. My boss was on-call at the time. the big boss told him some stuff was going on, and demanded he remote into the network immediately. My boss told him he was at a party about 15 minutes from his home, and it would take that long to get home, and check on the issue. Big boss got pissed and jumped my boss' ass. My boss said basically FU, you don't pay me to sit at home. He said show me a policy.
Today this came out. It is significantly more than the policy for all of IT. I just can't see any legal way they can force some imaginary boundary on employees, and demand they never be any further away from campus than the distance they live. If my compensation begins when I get paged, then before that time I am on my own time. How can they legally tell me where I should be? Note, I'm not a moron and wouldn't be hours from home while on-call. Still....I get a bit testy with this new isht. No other department has this type of restrictions.
I mean, the hospital I work for is based on a freakin island. By this policy, when I'm on-call, if I lived on the island I could never leave it.
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I never did on-call at my previous company, but I did have to contact on-call people during nights when I worked graveyard, and weekends. Our policy was this.
You could be anywhere you wanted to be, as long as you could perform the tasks necessary for your job. For some people that meant they had to stick close to the city, because their job involved having to come in to do something but that was extremely rare. I knew a lot of people that would get wasted as eff when on-call. They were required to return their page by phone or email within 10 minutes. They'd be paged again at the 10 minute mark (although generally we gave them 15-20 depending on the time/day.) If they don't return the second page, their backup on-call gets paged, as well as their boss with a notification that we've paged the backup.
Of course, we had urgency guidelines depending on what was going on as well, we wouldn't page someone on the weekend for a job blowing up that wasn't mission critical.
Now that they laid off all the people in Seattle, the people in LA have to do this stuff, and they fail at it 90% of the time. Their data center is ancient. They still use tapes with live data on them that have to be changed out constantly all day and night.
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I am pretty sure a company can dictate your work schedule as they see fit within reason, sadly. IT today is just becoming a huge sh%^ sandwich, you either eat it or go somewhere else and they want you to so they can hire someone cheaper who will do it.
If you find some legal stipulation, please let us all know. Also, do you have time and money to invest in a lawyer to pursue this? Most do not.
I agree it is complete BS.
It sounds like the main problem in your specific situation is your boss pissed off big boss by telling him to F himself and not at least patronizing by saying I will be home in a little while and take your time. I bet this would not be an issue if your boss had not taken that stance. I agree with your boss, but here you are.
* I have finally realized despite the effort it takes to withhold, just pacifying the bosses or big bosses on the phone and then move at you own rate is best. Plus, yes it sucks, but being oncall for IT means just that and it can really inconvenience quality of life.
Btw, if you ever get pissy and go HR/Legal serious about this, use words like "quality of life" and such.
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Yeah...the office is all abuzz over this. I mean...when I'm on call I'm not gonna go spend the night out of town. I am also mostly not likely to get totally hammered somewhere and not be able to drive. I have done that, but always think I'm lucky and I don't like pressing my luck. My problem is I'm the sole engineer responsible for this 2,500 wireless access point network. No one else knows dick about it, so if they get a wireless call while they're on call, they call me.
If this isht sticks, I'm demanding a pay raise.
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lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop profanity whining.
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this place currently has minimal after hour support. Typically if I'm upgrading a domino or BES server or something, that has to be off hours.. and I tell my boss I don't start the work until I've had 6 beers in me lol.
A previous place had off hour support policy like that.. they expected you to be within 15 minutes of a computer if the need arises. More than once one of the remote office managers would ask if that was a beer they just heard me open. 
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lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop profanity whining.
If this was true then no one would care if things were not working and there would be no oncall.
IT productivity is about making other people useful.
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quit your job and become your own boss, then you can do whatever you want with the money you pay yourself
until then, grow a pair. You're an adult now, aren't you?
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Sgian_Dubh posted:
lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop profanity whining.
 This same guy tantrums when his email no worky.
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Sgian_Dubh posted:
lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop profanity whining.
U jelly?
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My union protects me from this!
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regulator_cracka posted:
Sgian_Dubh posted:
lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop profanity whining.
This same guy tantrums when his email no worky.
yeah shut down the servers, PCs, smart phones, etc
how much work you doing now jelly?
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IT around here seems to have the goal to make doing our jobs as hard as possible. :\
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Awesome. I pounded the guy in an email, as did several others. He caved. Just got this reply:
Thanks for your responses. This was not meant to say anything was “changing†but just to make sure everyone understands what the expectations are when you are on call. No one has functioned outside of these requirements that I am aware of.
The reasonable expectation of response time to work is that you are within a “normal driving distance†to the facility for which you are on call. (English translation).
In other words, we don’t expect you to go to Austin when you are on call for the Galveston location, etc.
Yes, if you have an emergency of some sort, then you are not able to handle on call duties and should report this to your supervisor or me as appropriate so we can transition your on call to another person.
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On call pay begins when you begin work on the issue.
so as soon as you respond to the page, you are working right?
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Right.
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Tipztoe posted:
regulator_cracka posted:
Sgian_Dubh posted:
lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop fucking whining.
This same guy tantrums when his email no worky.
yeah shut down the servers, PCs, smart phones, etc
how much work you doing now jelly?
This is the whole argument that is lost on most management types until something fails. When they look at IT they see a place to cut costs since there is no direct correlation between the work they do and the money coming into the company until something goes wrong. They seldom stop to think that the phones, servers, networks, mobile devices, internet connectivity (email, IM, credit card processing, tracking, etc) is all IT dependent.
It cracks me up when things go sideways and they're all like "why aren't you on top of it?" and I just forward them the email chain where they retasked me to do something else or told me maintenance and scheduled work wasn't a priority as long as the VP couldn't use his iPad to check our numbers or other stupid stuff like that.
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The issue we had was he clearly stipulated that we could never be any further away from work than the distance from our homes, unless we called our boss's boss, in advance, and got approval. I don't mind being on call. Hell, most of the time I don't even claim the time I work when I am called. But goddammit don't tell me I can't leave my home when I'm on call. FFFUUUUUU
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any place worth a damn will give you comp time for being "on call" anyway, whether you use it or not, because of the fact it restricts what and were you can go or do.
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The issue we had was he clearly stipulated that we could never be any further away from work than the distance from our homes, unless we called our boss's boss, in advance, and got approval. I don't mind being on call. Hell, most of the time I don't even claim the time I work when I am called. But goddammit don't tell me I can't leave my home when I'm on call. FFFUUUUUU
Oh lord, I would have abused that.
"Hey big boss, I'm going to the grocery which is about 6 miles further out into the wilderness. Is that OK?"
"Hey big boss, I've got to drop a mean deuce and I don't think I'll be able to wait until I get home. There's a McDonald's about 4.7 miles from the house, can I stop there?"
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Dark_EternalFF posted:
Sgian_Dubh posted:
lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop fucking whining.
U jelly?
No he mad nstead.
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Immortal_Haze posted:
Second_Chance posted:
The issue we had was he clearly stipulated that we could never be any further away from work than the distance from our homes, unless we called our boss's boss, in advance, and got approval. I don't mind being on call. Hell, most of the time I don't even claim the time I work when I am called. But goddammit don't tell me I can't leave my home when I'm on call. FFFUUUUUU
Oh lord, I would have abused that.
"Hey big boss, I'm going to the grocery which is about 6 miles further out into the wilderness. Is that OK?"
"Hey big boss, I've got to drop a mean deuce and I don't think I'll be able to wait until I get home. There's a McDonald's about 4.7 miles from the house, can I stop there?"
Or the opposite. No I'm not home, I'm actually a couple blocks from work at the strip club getting hammered. That should be ok though right, I can be into work in like 2 minutes!
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Or the opposite. No I'm not home, I'm actually a couple blocks from work at the strip club getting hammered. That should be ok though right, I can be into work in like 2 minutes!
"Hello? Oh, hey big boss. Hold on, let me get these titties out of my face. You need what? Hold on, I can't hear you. *talking to the stripper* no, I'll be back in a second so you can leave that off. Oh HEY boss!"
lol, that would be awesome.
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Change your address to a PO box in a town 150 miles away.
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Sgian_Dubh posted:
lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop fucking whining.
you're out of your fricken mind.
IT goes down, there is NO production, out in the warehouse, one guy doesn't show up, the others have to work a bit harder to get everything finished.
at most companies the little applications you use to do your job all run through an enterprise scheduler, and when one link in the chain breaks, the entire chain is then useless until you fix that one piece.
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reasons like this is why unions where formed and still exist.
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Tipztoe posted:
any place worth a damn will give you comp time for being "on call" anyway, whether you use it or not, because of the fact it restricts what and were you can go or do.
We do get comp time but only by the grace of our boss, not contracted anywhere. And yes it does!
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reasons like this is why unions where formed and still exist.
Sad but true. Hence why other countries do have labor unions which encompass IT at least at my company, in many other countries.
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also this is the product of having a high unemployment rate.
the way bosses look it is, if you dont like it we can find someone else who will do it for cheaper.
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Sgian_Dubh was either just trolling or very ignorant. I think the former.
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Awesome. I pounded the guy in an email, as did several others. He caved. Just got this reply:
Thanks for your responses. This was not meant to say anything was “changing†but just to make sure everyone understands what the expectations are when you are on call. No one has functioned outside of these requirements that I am aware of.
The reasonable expectation of response time to work is that you are within a “normal driving distance†to the facility for which you are on call. (English translation).
In other words, we don’t expect you to go to Austin when you are on call for the Galveston location, etc.
Yes, if you have an emergency of some sort, then you are not able to handle on call duties and should report this to your supervisor or me as appropriate so we can transition your on call to another person.
If you wish to meet with me please feel free to come by any time or schedule an appt with Outlook.
just their way of holding you accountable by leaving it grey.
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"Oh I am not saying anything, I am just saying"
Schedule a meeting with him S_C at a very inconvenient time while you are oncall and then call 15 mins late and say you got an oncall call and can not make it.
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I'd say he needs to put a number on it. that grey bullcrap of "a reasonable distance" and "we don't expect you to be 3 states away lol" is just fluff. when it comes time to chop a neck you can BET its gonna be the guy holding the pager. low man on the totem pole always gets the hit.
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Immortal_Haze posted:
Steelwind_Oo posted:
Or the opposite. No I'm not home, I'm actually a couple blocks from work at the strip club getting hammered. That should be ok though right, I can be into work in like 2 minutes!
"Hello? Oh, hey big boss. Hold on, let me get these titties out of my face. You need what? Hold on, I can't hear you. *talking to the stripper* no, I'll be back in a second so you can leave that off. Oh HEY boss!"
lol, that would be awesome.
Hee hee. One place I worked at had a strip joint right behind it. Working late, pop over for tits and wings, go back to work.
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
Sgian_Dubh posted:
lol.
IT is non-productive work and generally higher paying than the productive jobs at most companies.
Stop profanity whining.
If this was true then no one would care if things were not working and there would be no oncall.
IT productivity is about making other people useful.
In today's world, more people would rather give up pay in order to have more time to themselves.
Don't b*tch that you are never getting promoted then. Don't b*tch that your dream job fell short because you were not willing to do what your previous employeer wanted you to do (though, there are a few exceptions to this second part).
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Hee hee. One place I worked at had a strip joint right behind it. Working late, pop over for tits and wings, go back to work.
Sadly, they don't serve food or alcohol in any of the ones here. Back in my college years, it was kind of funny to make note of the chick dancing for you and then see her in class the next day. Brought up a few awkward looks lol.
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dream job? wtf is that?
my dream job is being rich and spending my days trolling you aholes.
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Hee hee. One place I worked at had a strip joint right behind it. Working late, pop over for tits and wings, go back to work.
Sadly, they don't serve food or alcohol in any of the ones here. Back in my college years, it was kind of funny to make note of the chick dancing for you and then see her in class the next day. Brought up a few awkward looks lol.
No food or alcohol? That's awful. I could live without the food easily enough, but if I'm going to have tits slapping my face I want beer and shooters too.
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Sounds like on call is just a way of not paying you during time between calls.
... isn't that what on-call is? Honestly that's what I thought it was.
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JD_HOGG posted:
Sounds like on call is just a way of not paying you during time between calls.
... isn't that what on-call is? Honestly that's what I thought it was.
On-call employees in IT typically work a normal schedule, then rotate through an on-call schedule, wherein, should there be some sort of IT-related emergency during off-hours, the on-call employee may be required to come in to work on the problem.
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myxomatosis8 posted:
JD_HOGG posted:
Sounds like on call is just a way of not paying you during time between calls.
... isn't that what on-call is? Honestly that's what I thought it was.
On-call employees in IT typically work a normal schedule, then rotate through an on-call schedule, wherein, should there be some sort of IT-related emergency during off-hours, the on-call employee may be required to come in to work on the problem.
Yeah I know what on-call means, I just didn't know people got paid for sitting around waiting for the phone to ring, although that would make sense as well, since technically you can't do a hell of a lot more than do just that, wait around.
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