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Cliffs: State senator made antigay remarks and is pushing a bill to only teach heterosexuality in schools. Restaurant owner doesn't serve him because those beliefs are offensive to her.
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Private establishments should be able to serve or deny, hire or fire, who they want, for any reason. *shrug*
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Good. Go eat somewhere else that welcomes bigots. Hopefully there isn't any.
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I don't wholly disapprove, but it's a fine line. What about a pro-choice senator walking into a restaurant owned by a Christian?
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For the record, idiots are not a protected class so I fully support the decision. I also fully expect to be flamed for being a wuss and falling back on the "It's the law!" line of reasoning but idk it's friday.
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The guy is a complete nut case. He is on the local news every other week for some stupid thing he says.
He pushed a bill for the entire 6 years that he was in the state house that outlaws mentioning homosexuality in public schools. It never passed. Then he got elected to the senate and the idiots passed it (it will still never pass the house).
After it passed, he gave a speech at a local school when they were celebrating a new football stadium, and in the middle of the speech started talking about how football encouraged heterosexual behavior and that gays die younger because some guy in Africa had sex with a monkey and then had sex with a man. WTF?
He is a complete and utter idiot.
Oh, he is also TN state chairman of the Newt Gingrich presidential campaign. 
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Aerlinthian posted:
Private establishments should be able to serve or deny, hire or fire, who they want, for any reason. *shrug*
This. It's the reason I don't really care about most kinds of discrimination. I just want knowledge of discrimination made public and then I believe the situation will work itself out. Much as it is doing here in this example.
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Ashmaele posted:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/martha-boggs-stacey-campfield-restaurant-removal-_n_1243967.html
Cliffs: State senator made antigay remarks and is pushing a bill to only teach heterosexuality in schools. Restaurant owner doesn't serve him because those beliefs are offensive to her.
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On the surface of it, I think it's great.
ZigmundZag posted:
I don't wholly disapprove, but it's a fine line. What about a pro-choice senator walking into a restaurant owned by a Christian?
These are concerns I have. Would an avidly and vocally anti-Islamic campaigner be allowed to be denied service in a Muslim owned restaurant?
Would a vocally pro-gay person be allowed to be denied service in a restaurant owned by a vocally anti-gay person?
In the end though, I agree with this:
Aerlinthian posted:
Private establishments should be able to serve or deny, hire or fire, who they want, for any reason. *shrug*
So, I'm fine with it.
I do suspect that looking for consistency in the application of anti-discriminatory laws will be a fruitless endeavor.
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Cawlin posted:
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Private establishments should be able to serve or deny, hire or fire, who they want, for any reason. *shrug*
So, I'm fine with it. I do suspect that looking for consistency in the application of anti-discriminatory laws will be a fruitless endeavor.
Of course it would be fruitless in a cultural Marxist environment.
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Race and Religion are protected classes, being anti-gay is not.
I have no issue with the refusal of service.
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paulg_68 posted:
Aerlinthian posted:
Private establishments should be able to serve or deny, hire or fire, who they want, for any reason. *shrug*
This. It's the reason I don't really care about most kinds of discrimination. I just want knowledge of discrimination made public and then I believe the situation will work itself out. Much as it is doing here in this example.
Pretty much this.
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ZigmundZag posted:
What about a pro-choice senator walking into a restaurant owned by a Christian?
Doubt they can cook worth shit.
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Bowlartz posted:
Race and Religion are protected classes, being an idiot is not.
I have no issue with the refusal of service.
Fixed that for you.
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The restaurant is in the public domain and as such it MUST serve anyone that meets normal rules for enetering a business establishment, ie, clothed, acting reasonably civilized, etc.
The owners have no right to 'Soup Nazi' the guy.
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ZigmundZag posted:
I don't wholly disapprove, but it's a fine line. What about a pro-choice senator walking into a restaurant owned by a Christian?
its always ok
so long as i agree...
what about a DHS/TSA supporter being forced to endure a strip search before being allowed into a restaurant?
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I don't wholly disapprove, but it's a fine line. What about a pro-choice senator walking into a restaurant owned by a Christian?
Yup... As usual people are fine with is as long as they believe in the cause. If not it's /meltdown.
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She is acting just like him. Ironic
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By telling an asshole he isn't welcome in the place of business that she built, manages, and keeps open.... she is acting just like a guy who tries to outlaw the word gay and runs around telling everyone that gays are evil?
Uh..no.
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however, since voting is worthless, maybe this is the only way we can get a message to the ruling elite.
stop serving them untill they fix the middle class.
you fuckers want to eat, get your car fixed, buy a new fridge or shoes?
get one of your rich, 1%, buddies to hook you up.
lets see how you do without our services.
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If she can refuse service based on that it should also be legal to do the same with race, gender, or sexual orientation
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The restaurant is in the public domain and as such it MUST serve anyone that meets normal rules for enetering a business establishment, ie, clothed, acting reasonably civilized, etc.
The owners have no right to 'Soup Nazi' the guy.
Separation of Food from Beliefs.
This isnt how the law has been interpreted by the courts. Business owners are given great discretion when not dealing with a protected class of citizens.
Bigots havent been able to make the case to join that protected class of citizens to the courts or to the voting public.
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So its ok for her to be bigoted based on his beliefs. I think its not ok and I think he should sue and take it all the way to the supreme court if possible
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If it's a one time thing, who cares? If she makes it a general rule that gay bashers aren't allowed, then, maybe steps should be taken.
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She is as bad as he is. I cant believe how when you hate you often mirror what you hate and become it.
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Lyken-P posted:
ZigmundZag posted:
I don't wholly disapprove, but it's a fine line. What about a pro-choice senator walking into a restaurant owned by a Christian?
Yup... As usual people are fine with is as long as they believe in the cause. If not it's /meltdown.
Uh discriminating agaisnt someone because of their views is very different than discriminating against someone because of who they are.
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If she can refuse service based on that it should also be legal to do the same with race, gender, or sexual orientation
thats retarded
treating you differently based on what you think is not the same as treating you differently based on the color of your skin
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She is discriminating for no good reason.
Its just as bad as the other cases.
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That's seriously one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Treating people differently because they have political views you disagree with is extremely different than treating someone differently because of something they can't change like the color of their skin.
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Why not ban Republicans. People with blue shirts. And more.
Clearly she is not a deep thinker.
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I agree it's probably stupid but banning republicans would be very different than banning black people. Suggesting they are the same is retarded.
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its no different than banning for any other reason be it race or sexual orientation. Its all the same. She is a horrible stupid person who in the past wouldve banned black people from her restaurant
She is banning him because he holds an offensive belief which is also help by a huge number of Americans at this time.
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This is bad business. And I disagree with it based purely on that.
She has the legal right to do it, I just don't think it was very wise.
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Private establishments should be able to serve or deny, hire or fire, who they want, for any reason. *shrug*
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They should be able to discrimate against other things too.
They should be limited to banning people who are disruptive. Banning a person for not liking what they believe is totally wrong and I would sue and take it all the way to teh Supreme Court.
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its no different than banning for any other reason be it race or sexual orientation. Its all the same.
No it isn't. Discrimination based on an immutable characteristic is worse than discrimination based on the person's political views. The latter is at least specific to something the person chose. The former can't be escaped and bears no relation to anything the person actually thinks or did.
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They are banning him for his beliefs and values. This is no good reason and it shouldnt be allowed at all.
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It's a private business. Ban him for any reason at all.
I don't care if you want to have Liberal Tuesdays, or ban anyone wearing headgear (which blocks a bunch of religions at least part of the time), or only serve ginger people.
It's YOURS. Do whatever you want.
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