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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2012/january/emanuel-and-liebman-predict-the-end-of-private-insurance Here’s a bold prediction for the new year. By 2020, the American health insurance industry will be extinct. Insurance companies will be replaced by accountable care organizations — groups of doctors, hospitals and other health care providers who come together to provide the full range of medical care for patients. ... thanks to the accountable care organizations provided for by the health care reform act, a new system is on its way, one that will make insurance companies unnecessary. Accountable care organizations will increase coordination of patient’s care and shift the focus of medicine away from treating sickness and toward keeping people healthy. ... accountable care organizations will typically be paid a fixed amount per patient, along with bonuses for achieving quality targets. The organizations will make money by keeping their patients healthy and out of the hospital and by avoiding unnecessary tests, drugs and procedures. Thus, they will actually have a financial incentive to hire that nurse for follow-ups. In addition to providing better and more efficient care, A.C.O.’s will also make health insurers superfluous. Because they will each be responsible for a large group of patients (typically more than 15,000), they will pool the risk of patients who have higher-than-average costs with those with lower costs. And with the end of fee-for-service payments, insurance companies will no longer be needed to handle complicated billing and claims processing, nor will they need to be paid a fee for doing so. Payments can flow directly from an employer, Medicare or Medicaid to the accountable care organizations. A.C.O.’s will require enhanced information systems to track patients and figure out how to deliver more effective care, but this analytic capacity will be directed at improving health outcomes, not at imposing barriers to those seeking treatment. A.C.O.’s are not simply a return to the health maintenance organizations of the 1990s. Although in both models patients are members of a provider network with a specific group of doctors and hospitals, and both are paid primarily per member rather than per procedure or test, there are big differences between them. H.M.O.’s were often large national corporations far removed from their members. In contrast, A.C.O.’s will consist of local health care providers working as a team to take care of patients who are likely to be members for years at a time. He goes on to talk about how private insurers are already trying to position themselves for a completely new role. This is basically the best case scenario for medical home paradigm and evidence based medicine. I hope he is right, although I'd much prefer a single national system.
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Insurance is one of the biggest racket scams in history - good riddance.
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I believe the insurance industry began as bets on goods being shipped to different ports making it there. The insurance industry are blood suckers.
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reesescups posted: Insurance is one of the biggest racket scams in history - good riddance.
Getting rid of the terrible private insurance scheme would be the best thing we could ever do to encourage small business growth in America.
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insurance is gr8. It's funny to hear so many people bemoan the industry. I am mostly against HMOs and PPOs as they are a bad model for health care delivery IMO. But insurance was an awesome advancement in society.
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Insurance is good for big material goods like houses and cars that you can easily assign monetary values and do cost:benefit analysis with. It doesn't work well with regards to health.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish. Shared risk and for profit just don't mix well together.
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Scarne posted: Insurance is good for big material goods like houses and cars that you can easily assign monetary values and do cost:benefit analysis with. It doesn't work well with regards to health.
I'll disagree with you, in part. Insurance has it's place for catastrophic events. But that's where they all should end. Health insurance today is like insuring your car so gas and oil changes are covered.
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reesescups posted: Insurance is one of the biggest racket scams in history - good riddance.
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Kjarhall posted:
Scarne posted: Insurance is good for big material goods like houses and cars that you can easily assign monetary values and do cost:benefit analysis with. It doesn't work well with regards to health.
I'll disagree with you, in part.
Insurance has it's place for catastrophic events. But that's where they all should end.
Health insurance today is like insuring your car so gas and oil changes are covered.
Yeah. Although the problem with just insuring catastrophic events is that people are morons and will tend to not change their oil (metaphorically speaking) because it costs them something.
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Kjarhall posted:
Scarne posted: Insurance is good for big material goods like houses and cars that you can easily assign monetary values and do cost:benefit analysis with. It doesn't work well with regards to health.
I'll disagree with you, in part. Insurance has it's place for catastrophic events. But that's where they all should end. Health insurance today is like insuring your car so gas and oil changes are covered.
Except that when the people who don't change their oil or buy the proper gas destroy their car they demand that their car get fixed on someone else's dime and the government pays for it.
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reesescups posted: Insurance is one of the biggest racket scams in history - good riddance.
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Tych2 posted:
reesescups posted: Insurance is one of the biggest racket scams in history - good riddance.
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Libtards posted: Insurance sucks! Thank gawd Obama is making everyone buy a ton of it! He's a real hero!
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I don't see how these bypass the financial realities that lead to insurance companies. The industry is still driven by managing risk and as long as that is the case there will be an insurance component to any plan.
I still think Germany has the best foundation for a system.
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Sin_of_Onin posted: I don't see how these bypass the financial realities that lead to insurance companies. The industry is still driven by managing risk and as long as that is the case there will be an insurance component to any plan.
there's also an assumption that benevolent doctors and hospitals would never gouge for profits... This is just more people wishing someone would figure out how to fix something they feel is broken but have no idea how or why, and have no clue how to fix it, or even what a fixed system would look like.
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