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Yup.
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Very accurate. This is why I try so hard to document and use some kind of standard even though I am mostly a solo programmer. Someone always ends up looking at your code eventually. Heck I've looked back on some of my own older code and felt that way, lol.
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Cao_Ren posted:
Yup.
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It frustrates me that programmers all are aware of this sort of assfoolery but all still staunchly refuse to accept standards for documentation and code annotation and so forth... 
It's like all programmers hate the siht out of reading other peoples' code, but want to create code themselves that every other programmer will hate the siht out of reading too...
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Cawlin posted:
It frustrates me that programmers all are aware of this sort of assfoolery but all still staunchly refuse to accept standards for documentation and code annotation and so forth...
It's like all programmers hate the siht out of reading other peoples' code, but want to create code themselves that every other programmer will hate the siht out of reading too...
That requires discipline and not many programmers have that, lol. Besides most of them think they are unique snowflakes and that nobody could ever properly understand their code anyway (I say them because I do try to keep my code clean). 
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I never, ever comment my code 
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Some of it is also because, even if you talk your project management into writing down requirements and specifications, they are rarely adhered to, constantly changing and increasing until the project just barely launches within its time frame and you have spent all your time making sure the damn thing works, doesn't crash and does every extra damn thing they asked for at the last minute.
So there's no time or money left to explain how you actually got it accomplished.
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This is yet another reason why I like pascal-languages more than c-languages... It is FAR easier to self-comment pascal than C.
C is the reason for all the mess...
I do not understand why mainstream coding has not moved on by now.
We no longer live in a "closest to the metal and portability of the language are of massive importance" world...
We live in a "ease of debugging and ease of maintaining code SHOULD be the primary concern but ISNT" world.
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Some of it is also because, even if you talk your project management into writing down requirements and specifications, they are rarely adhered to, constantly changing and increasing until the project just barely launches within its time frame and you have spent all your time making sure the damn thing works, doesn't crash and does every extra damn thing they asked for at the last minute.
So there's no time or money left to explain how you actually got it accomplished.
Rho
not using Agile, eh?
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the_great_intex posted:
I never, ever comment my code
To good code, comments are a detriment. Good code uses meaningful labels and small blocks where the code itself is the comments.
With that said, I split interfaces from implementation and comment the *interface*, because that's what's going to be consumed by other programmers, and also what I'm going to forget when I come back months or years later. Macro-level comments = good, micro-level comments = bad, unless there's simply no practical way to make obvious what it is you're doing without the comment.
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I've identified 3 people in this thread I'd never want to work with already... jeez.
BTW, Lan, my whole job for about 6 years has been fixing other peoples' sh*t code. :\
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LOL Programmers
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Rhodoman posted:
Some of it is also because, even if you talk your project management into writing down requirements and specifications, they are rarely adhered to, constantly changing and increasing until the project just barely launches within its time frame and you have spent all your time making sure the damn thing works, doesn't crash and does every extra damn thing they asked for at the last minute.
So there's no time or money left to explain how you actually got it accomplished.
Rho
not using Agile, eh?
switching from pure waterfall to an agile/waterfall mix was the best thing our team has ever done.
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switching from pure waterfall to an agile/waterfall mix was the best thing our team has ever done.
I need you to come talk to some of the old fogies here lol. The comment I made earlier this week to a technical fellow... "After 8 years of doing the same process, we're expecting different results this time? We don't want to risk changing the process but would rather fail again using business as usual?"
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haha, love it
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silvadel2 posted:
This is yet another reason why I like pascal-languages more than c-languages... It is FAR easier to self-comment pascal than C.
C is the reason for all the mess...
I do not understand why mainstream coding has not moved on by now.
We no longer live in a "closest to the metal and portability of the language are of massive importance" world...
We live in a "ease of debugging and ease of maintaining code SHOULD be the primary concern but ISNT" world.
Have you ever heard of embedded devices? Kernel programming? Writing GPU code?
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meltedmossy posted:
silvadel2 posted:
This is yet another reason why I like pascal-languages more than c-languages... It is FAR easier to self-comment pascal than C.
C is the reason for all the mess...
I do not understand why mainstream coding has not moved on by now.
We no longer live in a "closest to the metal and portability of the language are of massive importance" world...
We live in a "ease of debugging and ease of maintaining code SHOULD be the primary concern but ISNT" world.
Have you ever heard of embedded devices? Kernel programming? Writing GPU code?
Sure -- it is called assembly language.
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//Inserts bread into each container
for(cc=fc;cc<=lc;cc++)
c[cc].push(br);
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//Do I really need a comment?
for(currentContainer=firstContainer; currentContainer<=lastContainer; currentContainer++)
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//But comment the interface
void putBreadInIt(Bread bread, ContainerArray containers, int firstContainer, int lastContainer);//Puts bread into each container
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Immortal_Haze posted:
Ex-remlocke posted:
switching from pure waterfall to an agile/waterfall mix was the best thing our team has ever done.
I need you to come talk to some of the old fogies here lol. The comment I made earlier this week to a technical fellow... "After 8 years of doing the same process, we're expecting different results this time? We don't want to risk changing the process but would rather fail again using business as usual?"
Old people stuck in their ways are hard to work with (in other news.. see politics).. it's one of the reasons I won't work for the government directly as everyone has their habits and they don't want to change them.
A waterfall project will always run into problems that the Agile framework is prepared to handle. Change requests during the final test phases of waterfall seem to always happen. This usually happens when the product is unveiled to the client and they find something they needed 8 months ago but it isn't close to what they need to address their problems. Big changes to the requirements aren't supposed to take place 2 weeks before a release, when testing is wrapping up, yet it's common place in the waterfall methodology. Agile eliminates this problem by continuously reevaluating the business needs and tweaking the application where needed.
There are downsides to agile such as less documentation up front and a need for good project management between teams working on different functionality, but those are easily overlooked by the extra value that's generated.
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What is the definition of bad code?
Not yours.
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Rhodoman posted:
how you actually got it accomplished
The quarterly revenue report does not care.
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