Clackdor posted:

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Mamagram will have the last laugh when we are all worm food. That will show us.

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B_Shinkicker posted:

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Angels can visit Mary, and Joseph, and John, but if an angel visits Joseph Smith...well that's just CRAAAAAZY!!!

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Eager_Igraine posted:

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B_Shinkicker posted:

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Angels can visit Mary, and Joseph, and John, but if an angel visits Joseph Smith...well that's just CRAAAAAZY!!!

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I think the higher ups in Christianity are just irritated that Joe couldn't come up with his own system so he sampled theirs.

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Eager_Igraine posted:

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B_Shinkicker posted:

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Angels can visit Mary, and Joseph, and John, but if an angel visits Joseph Smith...well that's just CRAAAAAZY!!!

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I think the higher ups in Christianity are just irritated that Joe couldn't come up with his own system so he sampled theirs.

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IMHO posted:

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Mormons are as much a Christian as Africans are Swedes.

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Manegarm posted:

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IMHO posted:

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Mormons are as much a Christian as Africans are Swedes.

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Both members of the same race.. I fully agree with you Mormons are Christians.

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paulg_68 posted:

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If you believe that Christ was the son of God than you are a Christian. Do Mormons believe that Christ was the son of God?

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Ptilk posted:

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This guy



has just as much right to claim to be this guy



as anyone else. And no one can prove he wasn't.

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IMHO posted:

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paulg_68 posted:

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If you believe that Christ was the son of God than you are a Christian. Do Mormons believe that Christ was the son of God?

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Not true.

Christianity follows a belief in certain covenants. Mormons diverge from those covenants.

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paulg_68 posted:

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IMHO posted:

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paulg_68 posted:

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If you believe that Christ was the son of God than you are a Christian. Do Mormons believe that Christ was the son of God?

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Not true.

Christianity follows a belief in certain covenants. Mormons diverge from those covenants.

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There are groups within any major religion that will try to exclude other members of their religion over trivial differences of belief.

The lowest common denominator of all Christianity is Christ.

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Taliesihne posted:

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Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Sad how many Christians can't grasp this basic tenet of their own faith.

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IMHO posted:

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It isn't trivial differences. Mormons created their own bible.

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Scarne posted:

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IMHO posted:

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It isn't trivial differences. Mormons created their own bible.

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So has every branch of Christianity.

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Scarne posted:

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IMHO posted:

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It isn't trivial differences. Mormons created their own bible.

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So has every branch of Christianity.

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IMHO posted:

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Taliesihne posted:

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Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Sad how many Christians can't grasp this basic tenet of their own faith.

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Different context.

Nobody is judging. Merely pointing out differences.

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Taliesihne posted:

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Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Sad how many Christians can't grasp this basic tenet of their own faith.

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IMHO posted:

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Scarne posted:

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IMHO posted:

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It isn't trivial differences. Mormons created their own bible.

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So has every branch of Christianity.

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There is only one Christian Bible.

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Tych2 posted:

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IMHO posted:

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Taliesihne posted:

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Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Sad how many Christians can't grasp this basic tenet of their own faith.

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Different context.

Nobody is judging. Merely pointing out differences.

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Also I interpret that as saying not to judge someone, but if you do someone will judge you. If you don't care about being judge then knock yourself.

Its not saying you can't judge someone. Just don't be shocked when someone judges you.

Am I wrong on that?

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Tych2 posted:

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I am wrong? Ah well.

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Taliesihne posted:

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YOUR RELIGION IS NOT REAL!

(But I'm not judging)

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IMHO posted:

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It isn't trivial differences. Mormons created their own bible.

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Scarne posted:

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Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox Bibles don't contain all of the same books.

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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IMHO posted:

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It isn't trivial differences. Mormons created their own bible.

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Like everyone else?

God didn't just hand the bible down from the sky to Jesus you know...

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IMHO posted:

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Manegarm posted:

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IMHO posted:

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Mormons are as much a Christian as Africans are Swedes.

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Both members of the same race.. I fully agree with you Mormons are Christians.

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So with your same logic, you are a Christian.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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It's really amusing watching you guys all try to thrash around and justify your position when those of us who have actually studied the differences between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity already know they're not the same thing.

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Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God. He is our Redeemer. The Holy Bible teaches us that Jesus Christ's mother was Mary, His father on earth was Joseph, that He was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, and labored with Joseph as a carpenter.

ZigmundZag posted:

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I guess they were paying attention to that whole speck-in-your-eye-log-in-your-own thing that somebody once said.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Mormonism was an offshoot of Christianity during a time of revival in the early 1800s, but it went off in its own direction

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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What Christians do you know who believe that there are an infinite number of gods in existence, believe that God the Father had sex with Mary (who was, incidentally, his spiritual offspring, which kind of makes it incestuous), that people can become gods if they follow the Mormon gospel/rules, that Jesus took a side trip to the Americas after being resurrected to visit with Jews who migrated hundreds of years earlier (leaving behind no archaeological evidence of any kind)? If you ask any Christian - Greek Orthodox, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Pentacostal, etc. - if they believe that they would look at you like you were crazy and then some.

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ZigmundZag posted:

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What's funny is that I've never once heard a Mormon question whether or not other denominations were true Christians.

I guess they were paying attention to that whole speck-in-your-eye-log-in-your-own thing that somebody once said.

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18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

Ptilk posted:

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They believe the exact same thing about Christ that the rest of the christian faith does. That makes them (Christ)ians.

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reesescups posted:

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http://mormon.org/jesus-christ/

Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God. He is our Redeemer. The Holy Bible teaches us that Jesus Christ's mother was Mary, His father on earth was Joseph, that He was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, and labored with Joseph as a carpenter.

Anyone that believes that (mod) is a Christian.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 1, Ch 1-5

18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

Try again.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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reesescups posted:

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http://mormon.org/jesus-christ/

Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God. He is our Redeemer. The Holy Bible teaches us that Jesus Christ's mother was Mary, His father on earth was Joseph, that He was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, and labored with Joseph as a carpenter.

Anyone that believes that (mod) is a Christian.

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Do you really want me to go through the list of everything about that statement that is different in Mormonism than it is in Biblical Christianity? The same words mean something very different to Mormons than they do to Christians.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Ptilk posted:

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Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God. He is our Redeemer. The Holy Bible teaches us that Jesus Christ's mother was Mary, His father on earth was Joseph, that He was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, and labored with Joseph as a carpenter.

Anyone that believes that (mod) is a Christian.

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Do you really want me to go through the list of everything about that statement that is different between monophysites and trinitarians and arians? The same words mean something very different to monophysites than they do to trinitarians or arians.

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__Bonk__ posted:

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They are telling Christians what the believe. They are saying Christians dont even know what makes someone a christian and ignoring when the Christians in this thread point out the real differences

What a bunch of fools some of you guys are.

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Bonzoboy1 posted:

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Actually I'm a Christian and I'm telling other Christians to remove the stick from their butts. Embrace Mormons, let them in the club and teach them the secret handshake.

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__Bonk__ posted:

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Bonzoboy1 posted:

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Actually I'm a Christian and I'm telling other Christians to remove the stick from their butts. Embrace Mormons, let them in the club and teach them the secret handshake.

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They are right. You dont say something is the same just to be politically correct. Mormonism is like Islam in that is uses the similar religous texts to earlier religions but its clearly different

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__Bonk__ posted:

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Mormons clearly arent Christians

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-_Bonk_- posted:

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and it was pointed out clearly in this thread why

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Bobvillas posted:

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I can't believe one of these is going again.

All of the churches that are Christian are branches from Catholicism. The genesis of these was from a man who was excommunicated from the Catholic church. So technically, none of these offshoots are Christs church and ergo, not Christian. Catholics are the only true Christians! Evangelists, Baptists, Methodists, Protestants, etc...all of them are not Christians because they all grew from a man that was excommunicated from the church that Christ created. Would the Catholic church in Martin Luther's day called him Christian?

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reesescups posted:

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Bobvillas posted:

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I can't believe one of these is going again.

All of the churches that are Christian are branches from Catholicism. The genesis of these was from a man who was excommunicated from the Catholic church. So technically, none of these offshoots are Christs church and ergo, not Christian. Catholics are the only true Christians! Evangelists, Baptists, Methodists, Protestants, etc...all of them are not Christians because they all grew from a man that was excommunicated from the church that Christ created. Would the Catholic church in Martin Luther's day called him Christian?

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What a effing idiot...

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Bobvillas posted:

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reesescups posted:

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Bobvillas posted:

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I can't believe one of these is going again.

All of the churches that are Christian are branches from Catholicism. The genesis of these was from a man who was excommunicated from the Catholic church. So technically, none of these offshoots are Christs church and ergo, not Christian. Catholics are the only true Christians! Evangelists, Baptists, Methodists, Protestants, etc...all of them are not Christians because they all grew from a man that was excommunicated from the church that Christ created. Would the Catholic church in Martin Luther's day called him Christian?

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What a effing idiot...

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Someone missed the sarcasm.

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Bonzoboy1 posted:

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Actually I'm a Christian and I'm telling other Christians to remove the stick from their butts. Embrace Mormons, let them in the club and teach them the secret handshake.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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For all you people saying words have definitions that are powerful, try going through that sentence posted about what the Mormons believe about Jesus. It's been my experience that most Mormons don't even know the background writings upon which their doctrine is based, and the church authorities like to keep it that way. They have a working philosophy of "milk before meat" so they don't tell you the really weird stuff first, just the most basic stuff that seems pretty much like every other Christian denomination in a lot of ways... then as you get more into it, you learn the crazier stuff, but be warned - questioning or disagreeing with it will get you disciplined and/or excommunicated.

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__Bonk__ posted:

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non christians in this thread telling Christians in this thread what they believe. What a joke

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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They have a working philosophy of "milk before meat"

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__Bonk__ posted:

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They are right. You dont say something is the same just to be politically correct. Mormonism is like Islam in that is uses the similar religous texts to earlier religions but its clearly different

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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It's one of the traditions they borrowed from ...

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__Bonk__ posted:

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No mormonism believes that Jesus and Lucifier are brothers

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__Bonk__ posted:

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No mormonism believes that Jesus and Lucifier are brothers

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Scarne posted:

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__Bonk__ posted:

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No mormonism believes that Jesus and Lucifier are brothers

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They have the same dad.

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__Bonk__ posted:

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Thats clearly not a Christian belief. Lucifer is an angel not the son of God. There is only one son of God according to Christians and he died for the believers sins and that is the only way a Christian can get into heaven. The only way.

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__Bonk__ posted:

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Its not biblical at all. At the very least is heretical. Mormons arent christians at all.

They appear to be Christians to the unimformed like most non Christians in this thread

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Just because an orange isn't an apple doesn't mean it's bad. It just means it isn't an apple. Why is that such a threatening concept to you all?

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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The amount of stupidity in this thread is amazing, even for the Outpost.

Stop trying to explain to Christians what their faith means and that Mormons believe it, too, when we know that they're actually very nuanced and different. Heck, even Bonkster gets this. You guys are a testament to the current universal "everybody is ok!" mindset.

Just because an orange isn't an apple doesn't mean it's bad. It just means it isn't an apple. Why is that such a threatening concept to you all?

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__Bonk__ posted:

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Because idiots who arent christians are trying to tell christians what they believe lol

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Manegarm posted:

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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The amount of stupidity in this thread is amazing, even for the Outpost.

Stop trying to explain to Christians what their faith means and that Mormons believe it, too, when we know that they're actually very nuanced and different. Heck, even Bonkster gets this. You guys are a testament to the current universal "everybody is ok!" mindset.

Just because an orange isn't an apple doesn't mean it's bad. It just means it isn't an apple. Why is that such a threatening concept to you all?

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People like you that called Luther a heretic and shouted for him to be burned on the cross, the bigotry.. It's really sad to see.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Manegarm posted:

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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The amount of stupidity in this thread is amazing, even for the Outpost.

Stop trying to explain to Christians what their faith means and that Mormons believe it, too, when we know that they're actually very nuanced and different. Heck, even Bonkster gets this. You guys are a testament to the current universal "everybody is ok!" mindset.

Just because an orange isn't an apple doesn't mean it's bad. It just means it isn't an apple. Why is that such a threatening concept to you all?

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People like you that called Luther a heretic and shouted for him to be burned on the cross, the bigotry.. It's really sad to see.

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Funny you should say that, considering I was raised a Lutheran. :P To be fair, Luther was a pretty nasty anti-semite and mean old man as he aged. However, he really didn't try and change any doctrines though, he was mostly pissed at some of the practices the RC was trying to pull of (i.e., indulgences, because they weren't Biblical). Sola scriptura!

I'm not calling for everyone to go stand on street corners in SLC with signs saying, WE HATE MORMONS. I'm just saying what they believe is different than what Christians believe. Whatever the difference emphases between the various denominations, they all agree on the central, core beliefs; and those core beliefs are different than what Mormons believe. In fact, one of those core beliefs is known as "salvation by grace through faith" which a Mormon president (prophet, for them) called a dangerous and "pernicious doctrine." Yep, it's definitely the same thing!

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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I'm not calling for everyone to go stand on street corners in SLC with signs saying, WE HATE MORMONS. I'm just saying what they believe is different than what Christians believe. Whatever the difference emphases between the various denominations, they all agree on the central, core beliefs; and those core beliefs are different than what Mormons believe. In fact, one of those core beliefs is known as "salvation by grace through faith" which a Mormon president (prophet, for them) called a dangerous and "pernicious doctrine." Yep, it's definitely the same thing!

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__Bonk__ posted:

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Because idiots who arent christians are trying to tell christians what they believe lol

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Bobvillas posted:

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You are not very good at hiding your disdain towards Mormons.

I know you are trying to sound unbiased but your posts are laced with it.

Regardless of what you think based on your studying with your other born again friends, Mormons are Christians just as you are.

You can express all the differences between your "mainstream" views and theirs (in an attempt to garner support against those crazy Mormons) but it doesn't make you right.

300 years ago you were the ones saying the "mainstream" was wrong and starting your own sect.

When the Mormons say they do not believe in Christ as their savior, then I will be on your side.

Until then, it is splitting hairs to make yourself feel better.

Still uncertain why it hurts you so much to allow them into the Christian club.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Stop trying to explain to Christians what their faith means and that Mormons believe it, too, when we know that they're actually very nuanced and different.

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Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word ???st??, Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheistic religion[1] based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings.[2] Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.[3]

Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, God having become human and the saviour of humanity.

Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible, referred to as the "Old Testament" in Christianity. The foundation of Christian theology is expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds which contain claims predominantly accepted by followers of the Christian faith.[14] These professions state that Jesus suffered, died, was buried, and was resurrected from the dead in order to grant eternal life to those who believe in him and trust him for the remission of their sins (salvation).[15] They further maintain that Jesus bodily ascended into heaven where he rules and reigns with God the Father. Most denominations teach that Jesus will return to judge all humans, living and dead, and grant eternal life to his followers.[16] He is considered the model of a virtuous life, and both the revealer and physical incarnation of God.[17] Christians call the message of Jesus Christ the Gospel ("good news") and hence refer to the earliest written accounts of his ministry as gospels.

reesescups posted:

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Holy Christ...

Insanely idiotic - like talking to a 6 year old...

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Also, read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Relation_to_Christianity

HTH

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Also, read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Relation_to_Christianity

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Relation_to_Christianity posted:

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According to Bruce McConkie, a general authority of the LDS Church, "Mormonism is indistinguishable from Christianity."

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Rosaria posted:

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There's a reason why Buddha is laughing.

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Eager_Igraine posted:

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Rosaria posted:

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There's a reason why Buddha is laughing.

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Awesome lotus juice?

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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You are seriously delusional if you think that I am a bigot for saying Mormonism isn't Christian. I don't hate Mormons. I've had some very good friends who were LDS and I didn't let our differing beliefs get in the way of that. They can live as they feel is right, this is a country where everyone is free to do just that, and I wouldn't have it any other way. But what they believe is different, and if they were to walk into any other Christian denomination's Sunday service they would experience culture shock from hearing the sermon/homily/lesson/etc.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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believe that God the Father had sex with Mary (who was, incidentally, his spiritual offspring, which kind of makes it incestuous),

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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that Jesus took a side trip to the Americas after being resurrected to visit with Jews who migrated hundreds of years earlier (leaving behind no archaeological evidence of any kind)?

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Funny that you should say that, since Mormons have special secret handshakes they have to learn in their temple ceremonies; knowing the right handshakes gets you into the correct level of heaven when you die.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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It's been my experience that most Mormons don't even know the background writings upon which their doctrine is based, and the church authorities like to keep it that way. They have a working philosophy of "milk before meat" so they don't tell you the really weird stuff first, just the most basic stuff that seems pretty much like every other Christian denomination in a lot of ways... then as you get more into it, you learn the crazier stuff, but be warned - questioning or disagreeing with it will get you disciplined and/or excommunicated.

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Eager_Igraine posted:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Relation_to_Christianity posted:

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According to Bruce McConkie, a general authority of the LDS Church, "Mormonism is indistinguishable from Christianity."

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Wow, I'm convinced, thanks for the link.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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I guess for those of you who buy into the oversimplified definition of Christianity

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Eager_Igraine posted:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Relation_to_Christianity posted:

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According to Bruce McConkie, a general authority of the LDS Church, "Mormonism is indistinguishable from Christianity."

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Wow, I'm convinced, thanks for the link.

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I was actually shocked when I read that quote was attributed to Bruce McConkie. The LDS church has been trying to get his book "Mormon Doctrine" to lay low since he basically wasn't afraid to say in it all of the stuff that makes Mormons unique and different. -That is patently false.

Not sure what else to say to you people on this subject since I've said it 100x already. I guess for those of you who buy into the oversimplified definition of Christianity and the PR campaign the LDS church has been working on, it all makes sense. Congrats, they win. Say hi to god and his wife the next time you're passing by Kolob.

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__Bonk__ posted:

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They are telling Christians what the believe. They are saying Christians dont even know what makes someone a christian and ignoring when the Christians in this thread point out the real differences

What a bunch of fools some of you guys are.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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You are seriously delusional if you think that I am a bigot for saying Mormonism isn't Christian. I don't hate Mormons. I've had some very good friends who were LDS and I didn't let our differing beliefs get in the way of that. They can live as they feel is right, this is a country where everyone is free to do just that, and I wouldn't have it any other way. But what they believe is different, and if they were to walk into any other Christian denomination's Sunday service they would experience culture shock from hearing the sermon/homily/lesson/etc.

Hell, even wikipedia knows what I'm talking about.

Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word ???st??, Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheistic religion[1] based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings.[2] Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.[3]

Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, God having become human and the saviour of humanity.

Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible, referred to as the "Old Testament" in Christianity. The foundation of Christian theology is expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds which contain claims predominantly accepted by followers of the Christian faith.[14] These professions state that Jesus suffered, died, was buried, and was resurrected from the dead in order to grant eternal life to those who believe in him and trust him for the remission of their sins (salvation).[15] They further maintain that Jesus bodily ascended into heaven where he rules and reigns with God the Father. Most denominations teach that Jesus will return to judge all humans, living and dead, and grant eternal life to his followers.[16] He is considered the model of a virtuous life, and both the revealer and physical incarnation of God.[17] Christians call the message of Jesus Christ the Gospel ("good news") and hence refer to the earliest written accounts of his ministry as gospels.

Mormons are not monotheistic; they are polytheistic.
They add other scriptures, written in the 1800s, to their canon and go beyond the canonical gospels and other NT writings.
Mormons believe that Jesus is not God but a separate being altogether, one who was conceived in the literal sense of God the Father having sex with Mary; this works for them because they believe that God is merely an exalted man who followed Mormon doctrine on his planet and progressed to godhood.
Mormons reject Christian creeds as abominations, as quoted by their founder, Joseph Smith, earlier.
Salvation for Mormons is not based upon belief but upon belief + good works, which is fundamentally different.
The Mormon gospel is not the "good news" of Jesus' ministry but rather a set of rules and covenants by which believers must abide in order to exalted in the afterlife.

Also, read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Relation_to_Christianity

HTH



Just out of curiosity - would you call me a bigot for noticing that an African American has darker skin than me since my ancestry is primarily Eastern/northern European? Or that men generally have greater physical strength than women? Or that fat people occupy more space than skinny people?

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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I have black friends; I can't be racist!

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Yukishiro1 posted:

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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I have black friends; I can't be racist!

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This thread gets better and better.

Jesus would /facepalm if he was around to hear you so-called Christians being so hateful.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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All I said was what Mormons believe is different than what I believe as a Christian.

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GrilledCheez posted:

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That said, the fact that you say you believe in jesus doesn't make you a christian group. Half the actual suicide and destructive cults out there say this.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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All I said was what Mormons believe is different than what I believe as a Christian.

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reesescups posted:

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GrilledCheez posted:

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That said, the fact that you say you believe in jesus doesn't make you a christian group. Half the actual suicide and destructive cults out there say this.

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If they believe Jesus is the Son of God and all that nonsense, then yes, they are in fact 'Christian'.

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GrilledCheez posted:

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reesescups posted:

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GrilledCheez posted:

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That said, the fact that you say you believe in jesus doesn't make you a christian group. Half the actual suicide and destructive cults out there say this.

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If they believe Jesus is the Son of God and all that nonsense, then yes, they are in fact 'Christian'.

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No.

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GrilledCheez posted:

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Sorry. That's just not the defining factor in christianity.

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reesescups posted:

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GrilledCheez posted:

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Sorry. That's just not the defining factor in christianity.

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Actually - yes, yes it is...

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GrilledCheez posted:

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reesescups posted:

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GrilledCheez posted:

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Sorry. That's just not the defining factor in christianity.

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Actually - yes, yes it is...

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hahah it's funny because you don't realize you are stupid.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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All I said was what Mormons believe is different than what I believe as a Christian. To me their doctrines and practices are strange and don't relate to my understanding of Biblical Christianity. Pointing out a difference does not imply bigotry. Treating people poorly/differently based on differences does. Or are we now living in the age where we pretend everyone is just like everyone else for the sake of political correctness?

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ZigmundZag posted:

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... It just makes me a crazy Christian.

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ZigmundZag posted:

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From an ecumenical perspective, the only real old school belief of Christianity that stands in direct contradiction to Mormonism is the Trinity. Mormons believe they are materially different (united in purpose I think is what they say)

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GrilledCheez posted:

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Sorry. That's just not the defining factor in christianity.

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reesescups posted:

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GrilledCheez posted:

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reesescups posted:

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[quote=GrilledCheez]That said, the fact that you say you believe in jesus doesn't make you a christian group. Half the actual suicide and destructive cults out there say this.

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If they believe Jesus is the Son of God and all that nonsense, then yes, they are in fact 'Christian'.

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No.

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Dcomad posted:

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Lucifer believes/know that Christ is the son of god. However, he is not a Christian.

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GrilledCheez posted:

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reesescups posted:

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GrilledCheez posted:

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Sorry. That's just not the defining factor in christianity.

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Actually - yes, yes it is...

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hahah it's funny because you don't realize you are stupid.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Mormons don't get to call their unique and divergent beliefs Christian when they show up 1800 years after Christianity was established as a religious movement. In fact, if you ask them, most will say they are something along the lines of "restorationists" because they believe they are a restoration of the original Christian church; the rest of the people who call themselves Christian are, in their eyes, part of apostate churches who only have part of the truth - Mormons have the "fullness of the gospel" and the LDS church is the only true church acting on God's authority today. Ironically, though, none of their practices or belief patterns resemble the early Christian church. Just something to consider.



P.S. GC you make me smile.

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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

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Protestants don't get to call their unique and divergent beliefs Christian when they show up 1500 years after Christianity was established as a religious movement. In fact, if you ask them, most will say they are something along the lines of "restorationists" because they believe they are a restoration of the original Christian church

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IMHO posted:

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paulg_68 posted:

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IMHO posted:

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[quote=paulg_68]If you believe that Christ was the son of God than you are a Christian. Do Mormons believe that Christ was the son of God?

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Not true.

Christianity follows a belief in certain covenants. Mormons diverge from those covenants.

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There are groups within any major religion that will try to exclude other members of their religion over trivial differences of belief.

The lowest common denominator of all Christianity is Christ.

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Voodoo-Dahl posted:

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Uh, Catholicism is the oldest organized form of Christianity.

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