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Sorry, you guys are still way more worser.
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Then stop leaving it up to the worser party to put forth someone better than Obama.
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Congressional democrats are notoriously bad at playing the political game. They are always one step behind, reactive instead of proactive. Just because Republicans are good at politics doesn't make them good politicians.
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It would be fine by me if the election came down to Obama and someone left of Obama. In reality the choice is far different and the Democrats will have a hard fight just to keep their candidates in the positions they are in.
Moe's position is horribly detached from reality. Granted last time I checked he was a Newt guy.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Then stop leaving it up to the worser party to put forth someone better than Obama.
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Democrats are great at getting elected and terrible at running the country.
And according to Democrats, Republicans are great at running the country even when they didn't get elected.
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paulg_68 posted:
Democrats are great at getting elected and terrible at running the country.
And according to Democrats, Republicans are great at running the country even when they didn't get elected.
Both parties can be obstructionist but such a tactic tends to play into the gameplan of conservatives more than progressives.
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If Democrat politicians can't figure out how to play politics, why would you trust them with things they aren't supposed to be experts on?
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paulg_68 posted:
If professional athletes can't figure out how to use steroids, why would you trust them with hitting a baseball?
Don't hurt yourself.
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paulg_68 posted:
If Democrat politicians can't figure out how to play politics, why would you trust them with things they aren't supposed to be experts on?
It is all relative.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Congressional democrats are notoriously bad at playing the political game. They are always one step behind,
This idea seems correct.....but I think there is a good reason for it.
GOP policy boils down to two things: tax cuts, stopping Democratic initiatives.
To get the first done you need 50 Senators and a majority in the House. To get the second done you need 41 Senators.
The Democrats have a much more expansive agenda almost all of which requires 60 senators to agree, plus a House majority.
The rules of the senate are stacked in favor of the GOP agenda.
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I'm not seeing much failure on the part of Obama.
HCRA
OBL dead
Iraq war finally over
Economy starting to pick back up
Quite a lot of his agenda has been approved despite constant obstruction by the GOP
Now, I don't agree with a lot of his agenda..but he hasn't failed in passing it.
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The Republicans should love Obama considering he's doing nothing but pretending to be Dubya's third term.
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While it's true that Obama is to the right of Reagan, he isn't to the right of Shrub...thank goodness.
He is also getting stuff done, something Shrub never could do. The only similarity in policy Obama and Bush Jr have is on privacy and power of the government...and even there, Obama is no where near as bad as the idiot who came before him.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Congressional democrats are notoriously bad at playing the political game. They are always one step behind, reactive instead of proactive.
This statement is not born out by reality. The Democrats have steadily advanced collectivism for 100 years. Unfortunately all to often with Republican help.
The good news is that collectivism/democracy ultimately crashes all governing systems. Going to be painful when it happens but it will happen.
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Both totally suck. The alternatives are even worse, which is crazy lunacy from the Right
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Ptilk posted:
I'm not seeing much failure on the part of Obama.
HCRA
OBL dead
Iraq war finally over
Economy starting to pick back up
Quite a lot of his agenda has been approved despite constant obstruction by the GOP
Now, I don't agree with a lot of his agenda..but he hasn't failed in passing it.
if doing something awful is success then he wins I guess. What a weird way to look at it. You could always get a pass with that yard stick if you were vague enough about everything.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
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If professional athletes can't figure out how to use steroids, why would you trust them with hitting a baseball?
Don't hurt yourself.
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AzureTyger posted:
The failures of the Democrats and Obama don't validate the GOP and conservative worldview
No but their failures definitely invalidate the Democrats and the libtard world view.
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AzureWhiner flip flops more than mitt romney.
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I really couldn't care if Romney or Obama win.
Getting Romney as the nominee means the Dems already won.
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Getting Romney as the nominee means the Dems already won.
If Obama wins then libtards get to run the country with Republicans opposing them. If Romney wins then libtards get to run the country with Democrats opposing them.
Republicans are much more effective as an opposition party so it's better for libtards if Romney wins.
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Getting Romney as the nominee means the Dems already won.
Yep which is why Democrats have done everything they can to marginalize the only true opposition, Ron Paul. People with any sense are not going to turn out for Romney because those people already know that at the end of the day, he is little different than Obama on substance, on style he is a lot different.
The people who vote on style will turn out for him. And we will pity and laugh at their contemptible ineptitude during the primaries.
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Ron Paul never had a real shot. He rambles incoherently and says crazy things a lot.
Hunstman was the one I liked the most.
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Then stop leaving it up to the worser party to put forth someone better than Obama.
Even when we leave it up to them they fail. There isn't a Republican candidate that is a better more viable option than Obama.
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AzureTyger posted:
Sorry, you guys are still way more worser.
Quibbling over who is less evil is entirely missing the point
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Three years without a budget Dems!
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Brother_Tempus posted:
AzureTyger posted:
Sorry, you guys are still way more worser.
WHY ISN'T ANYONE LISTEN TO MY IRRELEVANCIES? 
This is how I read your posts.
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I've become skeptical of the idea that democrats are simply inept.
If all the world is a stage, than the democrats play the good cop to the republicans bad cop. I detest them both, but don't blame me for choosing the good cop if my choice is between the two.
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The good news is that collectivism/democracy ultimately crashes all governing systems. .
Everyone dies, so obviously life sucks!
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We're not wrong even when we fail is what is wrong with american politics.
I honestly didn't expect At to slide this far...
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Three years without a budget Dems!
Serious?
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We're not wrong even when we fail is what is wrong with american politics.
I honestly didn't expect At to slide this far...
Actually the point is that the Republicans are not right just because the Democrats are incompetent.
The logic is fine and I think half the point is that this is the problem with American politics.
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
GrilledCheez posted:
We're not wrong even when we fail is what is wrong with american politics.
I honestly didn't expect At to slide this far...
Actually the point is that the Republicans are not right just because the Democrats are incompetent.
The logic is fine and I think half the point is that this is the problem with American politics.
same same, unless you are supporting a third party candidate. This is the exact same reasoning republicans use to explain away bush. So if dems get a pass for obama wouldn't everyone get a pass for everything?
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