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Why all the crickets on the OP now that they are?
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I laughed at the news the other night because I didn't even know OWS chicago was still around. The cops kicked their asses out of every place they tried to go to. The best they're able to do is a 2 hour march once every few weeks.
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Which is better then the Tea Party is doing nowadays. Haven't seen any tri-corner hats in a while. 
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Tea party is still around, it's just that the news only has a hard-on for the plight of OWS. It's a lot easier and politically beneficial for them now to make up police brutality or do a puff piece than it is making up illegal things the tea party did.
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You would think the Tea Party would be in the news more if they were hoping to have an effect on the Republican primary. I guess they must not care which candidate wins. 
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The Dems co-opted OWS and blunted its real message and turned it into a big iSpoogefest at which point my support of the present manifestation of the movement ended.
At its heart originally, OWS and the original concepts of the Tea Party were not very far apart from each other ideologically. Both organizations now are manifestations of the political parties that assimilated and corrupted them and what the mainstream media wants you to think of them.
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Taliesihne posted:
Why all the crickets on the OP now that they are?
I started a few threads about OWS DC - and yeah crickets...
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The occupy movement is just the tip of the iceberg and the most noticeable manifestation of the change in attitude that is taking place in this country.
I support the movements actions, but don't think protesting is going to do much good. The opt out movement will be what changes things, and it is quietly, but quickly, growing.
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reesescups posted:
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Why all the crickets on the OP now that they are?
I started a few threads about OWS DC - and yeah crickets...
What kind of noise are you looking for? Mocking or support?
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People need to wake up to the reality of labor based politics and labor power centers. OWS is great for what it is, but it won't matter as long as most people believe that you need to pay millionaires millions more to create jobs.
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Tych2 posted:
reesescups posted:
Taliesihne posted:
Why all the crickets on the OP now that they are?
I started a few threads about OWS DC - and yeah crickets...
What kind of noise are you looking for? Mocking or support?
hahah either I guess. Tons of people were saying they should be in DC, that they would support them if they were in DC because that's where they should be.
They occupied DC and crickets all around...
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People need to wake up to the reality of labor based politics and labor power centers. OWS is great for what it is, but it won't matter as long as most people believe that you need to pay millionaires millions more to create jobs.
A system of wholly labor based politics and labor power centers is at least as frightening to me as the one in which we're living now.
There needs to be balance and PROPER regulation over it all in order for the economics of it all to work. Obviously the present scenario is not acceptable, but doing a full 180 is not acceptable either. The issue with "labor based politics" is that "Labor" basically wants to be treated like a corporation and in the end, we'd be be no better off than than if we were in any other wholly fascist economy.
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Taliesihne posted:
Which is better then the Tea Party is doing nowadays. Haven't seen any tri-corner hats in a while.
The Tea Party is busy getting people elected.
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If labor and capital owners are treated as equals... thats FASCISM!
I dont think so.
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heheh cawlin is almost there.
Nobody here believes that labor should be the only political power in the country Cawlin. but there is no reason that the labor of a company shouldn't be just as powerful within that company or within the country as the capital holders. And even if you believe philosophically that capital holders deserve more power than labor then labor could still have more power than they do now and fall well below the power that capital holders have, which i nearly absolute in our current system.
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paulg_68 posted:
Taliesihne posted:
Which is better then the Tea Party is doing nowadays. Haven't seen any tri-corner hats in a while.
The Tea Party is busy getting people elected.
Paul made a funny...
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theredkay1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
If labor and capital owners are treated as equals... thats FASCISM!
I dont think so.
I am not arguing that if they were treated as equals it would be fascism. I am arguing that if labor were treated as superior to capital owners it would be AS BAD AS fascism (it would be socialism and as many others have stated, it would be afwul, as bad as, if not worse than the current fascist system).
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reesescups posted:
hahah either I guess. Tons of people were saying they should be in DC, that they would support them if they were in DC because that's where they should be.
They occupied DC and crickets all around...
I don't live in DC or the area so they won't inconvenience me. So I support them 100%!!
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heheh cawlin is almost there.
Nobody here believes that labor should be the only political power in the country Cawlin. but there is no reason that the labor of a company shouldn't be just as powerful within that company or within the country as the capital holders. And even if you believe philosophically that capital holders deserve more power than labor then labor could still have more power than they do now and fall well below the power that capital holders have, which i nearly absolute in our current system.
Perhaps nobody posting in this thread believes that, but certainly many labor union champions do in fact believe that all power should be focused on them and capital holders should be beholden to labor as a facilitator to see their capital realized into product and profit.
It's kind of like a company:
Manufacturing thinks its the most important part because without them, there would be no product to sell.
Marketing thinks its the most important part because without them, there would be nobody to sell product to.
QA thinks its the most important part because without them, the product would not meet specifications.
etc.
Capital holders think they are the most important because without them there would be no business entity.
Labor think they are the most important because without them there would be nobody to make the product.
and so on...
The reality is that all aspects are important and within a company (or a nation) those forces need to work TOGETHER towards the common goal in order for EVERYONE to be happy.
Presently, the power of capital holders is, as you state, near absolute in our system - this is unacceptable.
It would be JUST as unacceptable if not more so if the pendulum swung too far in the other direction to where the power of "labor" became near absolute. That is the point I'm trying to make.
"Labor" needs to be more empowered, I am not denying that, and I wholly support that. I don't want to get into the argument of which "deserves" to have more power, but yes I believe labor needs more power than it has presently. Further, those working NOT in a labor union need to be empowered as well to the same degree. Ideally we would not need labor unions (but that of course will never happen).
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Tych2 posted:
What kind of noise are you looking for?
Exactly.
I am very glad they finally figured out where to direct their angst, and have now looked to D.C.
Step 2 will be for OWS to squash the liberal soundbytes against the tea party and to unite forces with them.
Lemme know when their movement has matured to this point. 
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OWS has already succeeded in taking control of the national dialog.
Did anyone listen to Obama's soty speech? Romney now talks about the 99%. Inequality and inequity are common topics.
Like them or hate them, the OWS message continues to resonate. I predict we'll see more of them when the weather gets warmer.
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What's that? Politicians giving lip service to dirty voters in an election year? YOU'RE A VIRTUAL NOSTRADUMBASS
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Taliesihne posted:
Why all the crickets on the OP now that they are?
My guess is because they are so ineffective and irrelevant that no one pays attention to them anymore.
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Lyken-P posted:
Taliesihne posted:
Why all the crickets on the OP now that they are?
My guess is because they are so ineffective and irrelevant that no one pays attention to them anymore.
Sea_of_inK posted:
OWS has already succeeded in taking control of the national dialog.
Did anyone listen to Obama's soty speech? Romney now talks about the 99%. Inequality and inequity are common topics.
Lyken-P posted:
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So ineffective and irrelevant that everyone is talking about their topic. Hmmm....
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What's that? Politicians giving lip service to dirty voters in an election year? YOU'RE A VIRTUAL NOSTRADUMBASS
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Rosaria posted:
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What's that? Politicians giving lip service to dirty voters in an election year? YOU'RE A VIRTUAL NOSTRADUMBASS
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reesescups posted:
hahah either I guess. Tons of people were saying they should be in DC, that they would support them if they were in DC because that's where they should be.
They occupied DC and crickets all around...
I don't live in DC or the area so they won't inconvenience me. So I support them 100%!!
You wouldn't mind them, they're no inconvenience at all.
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Rosaria posted:
You wouldn't mind them, they're no inconvenience at all.
Exactly! See someone gets it. No work, no effort on my part and I support them so I look like a hero. Seems like a win win for me. 
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reesescups posted:
I started a few threads about OWS DC - and yeah crickets...
I can think of a few reasons for that:
1. Boring
2. Old News
3. Re-arranging my sock drawer
4. Who cares?
Pick any 2.
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