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What is YOUR suggestion for the US as an alternative?
Come on, I can't WAIT to hear this.
Please make sure that it is a "real" system.
Oh, and it would be nice if this system allowed for individual freedom, property ownership, and the like.
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Capitalism isn't good or evil. It's amoral. It's a system that has advantages and disadvantages.
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I guess I'll mark you down as "+1 for keep it" then.
I'm just curious. I hear so many people on here lamenting on how bad it is, etc.
I don't seem to hear them now.
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capitalism is great. It just has serious downsides that the stupid have turned into religious devotees of. The problem isn't capitalism it's stupid.
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I am glad you asked because we already have a great example of a system that worked for decades before the Reagan Revolution: well regulated capitalism, a strong labor movement, and better controls on wealth accumulation.
Also /affected
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Society has a pecking order.
I don't think it's possible to design a system that is equally beneficial to everyone.
Whatever system the people will tolerate will have to suffice.
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It appears that in other threads a lot of people have just been bleating out their asses.
/kind of figured that.
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The US is the Great Satan.
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Let's say there's room for optimization, and that things are deteriorating right now.
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The only thing "evil" about capitalism is the resulting corporatism without effective regulations to prevent it.
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Given all the  friar does about obama, i guess that means he hates representative government and must have a different model in mind.
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i would have thought everyone has a problem with "evil capitslism"
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Capitalism has good parts and bad part. If you do not compensate for capitalism's shortcomings, it is not sustainable.
I'd say most on the left favor capitalism, but resent it's lesser qualities especially because the right is so quick ignore and downplay them. This ultimately led to a decline in the health of our capitalist system overall and still continues. If you really value capitalism you should commit to making it last.
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COMMUNISM!
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Given all the friar does about obama, i guess that means he hates representative government and must have a different model in mind.
Under "defense mechanism" you should look for "deflection".
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I guess I'll mark you down as "+1 for keep it" then.
I'm just curious. I hear so many people on here lamenting on how bad it is, etc.
I don't seem to hear them now.
At this point, I have no doubt you belong on a farm.
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We can get rid of capitalism when we have this
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1. More consumer protection regulations (especially in advertising)
2. No subsidizing or tax breaks
3. No protections under US law if they 'more offshore' or leave the US as its base of ops.
4. No rights as a 'person', specific corporate rights should be drawn up that are lesser than people and provide protections for consumer.
Just to note, capitalism isn't evil, it just needs to be kept in check, and the 'free market' doesn't do that.
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Communism for life y0
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We can get rid of capitalism when we have this
Not really. Copying things is wrong and everything.
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No, it'l just have special replicator brands of things. They never say give me a starbucks espresso, they just ask it for a coffee. But starbucks wouldn't exist in that future anyway so it wouldn't matter.
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Which coffee? Someone has to create a template. And he will demand money for you copying it.
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Capitalism is an incredibly flawed and inefficient economic system that requires constant growth to continue to exist. This growth will be created by those who control the system no matter what, at whatever cost in human suffering that is required.
It is also the very best system we have devised...as of yet.
The recent destruction of most limits and regulation forced upon the economic system by government has brought new attention to it's flaws, and new limits and regulations will be enacted. This will help alleviate some of the biggest excesses and abuses of the system, but it wont fix the central problem in it. Namely that capitalism creates a view of humans as assets or liabilities based upon their economic output. Which is fricken horrible.
Eventually the pendulum will swing back and people will come to think of people as more important than the money they produce, it's happening already in many parts of the world.
A more equitable and sane mix of free enterprise and collective bargaining will be formed at some point. It will probably still be called capitalism, but it will not be anything like what we call capitalism today.
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It continues to amaze me that anything that isn't Laissez-Faire Capitalism is considered socialism\communism.
Adam Smith (you know, the dude who we credit as being the father of capitalism) believed in progressive taxation, regulation and believed that a strong moral center that served the people were essential parts of Capitalism.
Capitalism is not a force of nature - we have control over how it manifests and what it does.
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Most people who rail against capitalism are actually railing against fascism.
It's true that capitalism needs to be properly regulated in order for it to serve the people rather than for the people to serve it. The difficulty in that is that our government has become quite literally, extremely fascist and there is almost total collusion between our government and the corporate entities.
Obviously the corporate entities are run by humans, as is our government. They're both just groups of people scratching each others' backs.
We need a reboot.
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It continues to amaze me that anything that isn't Laissez-Faire Capitalism is considered socialism\communism.
Adam Smith (you know, the dude who we credit as being the father of capitalism) believed in progressive taxation, regulation and believed that a strong moral center that served the people were essential parts of Capitalism.
Capitalism is not a force of nature - we have control over how it manifests and what it does.
Either/or thinking is pretty much a requirement for the modern coservative movement to succeed.
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Socialism imo is better, that way at least everyone has a fair shot at services and jobs.
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socialism isn't good at innovating or using excess resources. The idea that everyone would have jobs without understanding output or demand shouldn't be something anyone would even want.
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socialism isn't good at innovating or using excess resources. The idea that everyone would have jobs without understanding output or demand shouldn't be something anyone would even want.
Isn't that a good thing looking forward though i.e using excess resources? Perhaps this consume approach isn't working for us?
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Socialism is pretty awful. Capitalism is the best we have and it is reasonably successful when informed by good regulation, empowered labor, and a social safety net. The governing parties of the US have allowed the first two to be stripped bare while botching the handling of the third royally.
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Socialism isn't any more awful than capitalism. Or any better. Not inherently anyway. A mix of free market and socialism is what we have always had in this country. The mixed market model works...but it isn't perfect and is easily subject to abuse if those in power are corrupt, as is the situation now in the USA>
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Most people who rail against capitalism are actually railing against fascism.
It's true that capitalism needs to be properly regulated in order for it to serve the people rather than for the people to serve it. The difficulty in that is that our government has become quite literally, extremely fascist and there is almost total collusion between our government and the corporate entities.
Obviously the corporate entities are run by humans, as is our government. They're both just groups of people scratching each others' backs.
We need a reboot.
What capitalism haters fail to realize is that regulations are the way that capitalism gets eliminated and replaced with corporatism.
If we actually had more capitalism, most of the crap they complain about would go away.
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What is YOUR suggestion for the US as an alternative?
Come on, I can't WAIT to hear this.
Please make sure that it is a "real" system.
Oh, and it would be nice if this system allowed for individual freedom, property ownership, and the like.
I'll be able to give you an answer when we actually try free market capitalism.
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Friarspam posted:
What is YOUR suggestion for the US as an alternative?
Come on, I can't WAIT to hear this.
Please make sure that it is a "real" system.
Oh, and it would be nice if this system allowed for individual freedom, property ownership, and the like.
I'll be able to give you an answer when we actually try free market capitalism.
That will never happen as there is no such thing outside of theory.
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Funny how nobody ever mentions that pesky "Full Information" component to true capitalism...
I wonder why that is?
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I say all the time that one of the best uses for government is to ensure that people have the information they need to make good decisions.
Libtards always counter by saying that people shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions because they are stupid and helpless and have to be cared for.
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I say all the time that one of the best uses for government is to ensure that people have the information they need to make good decisions.
Libtards always counter by saying that people shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions because they are stupid and helpless and have to be cared for.
And conservatives say????
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Conservatives or big government neocons?
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The danger to capitalism is people using government to gain an advantage. This tilts the system into something evil. The solution is to get government out of it along with giving everyone the information they need to make wise choices. If you know a company is breaking the moral rules you will not shop with that company. If you know a company is sending out bad food you will not buy food from that company.
When you have "government inspectors" you put a human factor that has the force of government. If government makes the rules then the companies will put more of their money into government to insure they have the advantage over others. The threat to them is not government but new companies with better ideas. They use government to put land mines in the way of anyone starting out.
Governments love status quo. It is against change. If you want things to never get better than they are then you should support big government.
There should be no doubt that the current economic problems were created by government interference in the housing market. Yes, greed and stupidity created a house cards that the housing crash caused. Nevertheless we would not have the crash if not for government interference.
Obama often uses the excuse we should keep his failed policies because of the bad old days of Bush. What he fails to say is his policies were a major part of the bad old days. More of what was wrong is not going to fix anything.
It is my opinion that Obama does not want to fix anything. He thinks the worse things are the more power government can grab, in order to fix it. He believes he can “campaign†his way out of our problems, even if the major problem is him. Sadly he might just do it.
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Socialism is pretty awful. Capitalism is the best we have and it is reasonably successful when informed by good regulation, empowered labor, and a social safety net. The governing parties of the US have allowed the first two to be stripped bare while botching the handling of the third royally.
Yeppers.
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The danger to capitalism is people using government to gain an advantage. This tilts the system into something evil. The solution is to get government out of it along with giving everyone the information they need to make wise choices. If you know a company is breaking the moral rules you will not shop with that company. If you know a company is sending out bad food you will not buy food from that company.
When you have "government inspectors" you put a human factor that has the force of government. If government makes the rules then the companies will put more of their money into government to insure they have the advantage over others. The threat to them is not government but new companies with better ideas. They use government to put land mines in the way of anyone starting out.
Governments love status quo. It is against change. If you want things to never get better than they are then you should support big government.
There should be no doubt that the current economic problems were created by government interference in the housing market. Yes, greed and stupidity created a house cards that the housing crash caused. Nevertheless we would not have the crash if not for government interference.
Obama often uses the excuse we should keep his failed policies because of the bad old days of Bush. What he fails to say is his policies were a major part of the bad old days. More of what was wrong is not going to fix anything.
It is my opinion that Obama does not want to fix anything. He thinks the worse things are the more power government can grab, in order to fix it. He believes he can “campaign†his way out of our problems, even if the major problem is him. Sadly he might just do it.
So you are saying that we should remove all regulation and reinstate Standard Oil and Ma Bell. Then when we don't like their prices or services we could go to another provider?
Like now, I have Comcast as a cable provider. I don't like their prices or services, I can go to another cable company in this free market. Or I can pick another telephone company? Or another Trash collector, or water company? Oh, that's right. I can't because in some of these cases private companies form monopolies with government for THEIR advantage.
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Our problem right now is that we have Capitalism when everyone is making money hand over fist, but Socialism when everything crashes.
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I often wonder about people like Szerek. Did he read what I wrote or just skim looking for key words? His reply completely missed the point. Do I have to bring it down to the 5 grade level for him to understand? Is it possible to make him understand? Doubtful.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
The danger to capitalism is people using government to gain an advantage.
The danger to capitalism is also people using capitalism to gain an advantage.
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AzureTyger posted:
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Either/or thinking is pretty much a requirement...
Isn't that the truth.
It seems widespread in the US too, no matter what political camp or other faction you belong to.
Take a simple idea, try to force it down everyones throat 100% or else.
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