tsingtao2 posted:

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not talking about the banning of cellphones in general, I am talking about the banning of a certian type of clothing because... OMG, you can put a cellphone in there!

our HS was going to ban cellphones from school, I told them, my kids WILL have their phones with them DURING class, turned off, and if they need detention for having them, I will serve detention for them. My reasoning was, what if there was an emergency, and there was no way to go to their locker, because some gunman was in the hallway?

I also told them that I looked at their cell usage daily, online, and if they use them during school, they got taken away for 2 weeks. And I enforced that, the kids hated it...haha

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Chogram posted:

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School cell phone policies should be really simple...

1st offense - warning
2nd offense - confiscate phone until parents pick it up
3rd offense - suspension
4th offense - expulsion

Pretty cut and dry.

A couple of kids have to repeat a year of high school and graduate a year after all of their friends, and they will disappear.

All of these other tactics(banning boots because they hide them there? Dumb...) won't work because they will just hide them somewhere else.

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OG_Loki posted:

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It's amazing I survived school without a cellphone. What are the chances that there was never a gunman going on rampages in my school? 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000? It must be crazy rare.

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tsingtao2 posted:

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not talking about the banning of cellphones in general, I am talking about the banning of a certian type of clothing because... OMG, you can put a cellphone in there!

our HS was going to ban cellphones from school, I told them, my kids WILL have their phones with them DURING class, turned off, and if they need detention for having them, I will serve detention for them. My reasoning was, what if there was an emergency, and there was no way to go to their locker, because some gunman was in the hallway?

I also told them that I looked at their cell usage daily, online, and if they use them during school, they got taken away for 2 weeks. And I enforced that, the kids hated it...haha

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Chogram posted:

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tsingtao2 posted:

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not talking about the banning of cellphones in general, I am talking about the banning of a certian type of clothing because... OMG, you can put a cellphone in there!

our HS was going to ban cellphones from school, I told them, my kids WILL have their phones with them DURING class, turned off, and if they need detention for having them, I will serve detention for them. My reasoning was, what if there was an emergency, and there was no way to go to their locker, because some gunman was in the hallway?

I also told them that I looked at their cell usage daily, online, and if they use them during school, they got taken away for 2 weeks. And I enforced that, the kids hated it...haha

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Our local HS banned phones outside of lockers during school hours(8:30ish to 3:30ish)
edit: I believe last year they added a provision saying that you are allowed to have them out during your lunch period as well but I'm not
sure if the school board passed that one...

There are phones in every single room and an on duty police officer.

If there is an emergency your student needs to be paying attention to the alarms and getting themselves to safety.
Not worried about phone calls from mommy and daddy.

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OG_Loki posted:

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It's amazing I survived school without a cellphone. What are the chances that there was never a gunman going on rampages in my school? 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000? It must be crazy rare.

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tsingtao2 posted:

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Chogram posted:

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tsingtao2 posted:

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not talking about the banning of cellphones in general, I am talking about the banning of a certian type of clothing because... OMG, you can put a cellphone in there!

our HS was going to ban cellphones from school, I told them, my kids WILL have their phones with them DURING class, turned off, and if they need detention for having them, I will serve detention for them. My reasoning was, what if there was an emergency, and there was no way to go to their locker, because some gunman was in the hallway?

I also told them that I looked at their cell usage daily, online, and if they use them during school, they got taken away for 2 weeks. And I enforced that, the kids hated it...haha

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Our local HS banned phones outside of lockers during school hours(8:30ish to 3:30ish)
edit: I believe last year they added a provision saying that you are allowed to have them out during your lunch period as well but I'm not
sure if the school board passed that one...

There are phones in every single room and an on duty police officer.

If there is an emergency your student needs to be paying attention to the alarms and getting themselves to safety.
Not worried about phone calls from mommy and daddy.

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yall are missing my point, entirely, its not to call me, or me to call them... its for them to call the cops if needed...

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Idiotic complainers posted:

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The reactions Armato has received have ranged from support for maintaining an educational environment to accusations that the ban infringes upon students' rights to wear certain fashions.

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tillsb posted:

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Idiotic complainers posted:

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The reactions Armato has received have ranged from support for maintaining an educational environment to accusations that the ban infringes upon students' rights to wear certain fashions.

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Where did that right come from?

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OP posted:

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Somebody can get around anything I try with enough effort; therefore, I should make absolutely no effort at all to stop them.

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Chogram posted:

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tsingtao2 posted:

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Chogram posted:

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[quote=tsingtao2]not talking about the banning of cellphones in general, I am talking about the banning of a certian type of clothing because... OMG, you can put a cellphone in there!

our HS was going to ban cellphones from school, I told them, my kids WILL have their phones with them DURING class, turned off, and if they need detention for having them, I will serve detention for them. My reasoning was, what if there was an emergency, and there was no way to go to their locker, because some gunman was in the hallway?

I also told them that I looked at their cell usage daily, online, and if they use them during school, they got taken away for 2 weeks. And I enforced that, the kids hated it...haha

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Our local HS banned phones outside of lockers during school hours(8:30ish to 3:30ish)
edit: I believe last year they added a provision saying that you are allowed to have them out during your lunch period as well but I'm not
sure if the school board passed that one...

There are phones in every single room and an on duty police officer.

If there is an emergency your student needs to be paying attention to the alarms and getting themselves to safety.
Not worried about phone calls from mommy and daddy.

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yall are missing my point, entirely, its not to call me, or me to call them... its for them to call the cops if needed...

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Ah-Schoo posted:

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tillsb posted:

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Idiotic complainers posted:

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The reactions Armato has received have ranged from support for maintaining an educational environment to accusations that the ban infringes upon students' rights to wear certain fashions.

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Where did that right come from?

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Inalienable rights like toddlers with backpack nukes, and being able to fly on private airlines without needing to be searched or screened.
I'm not sure which amendments these are, B_T is the Constitutional expert.

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tsingtao2 posted:

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not talking about the banning of cellphones in general, I am talking about the banning of a certian type of clothing because... OMG, you can put a cellphone in there!

our HS was going to ban cellphones from school, I told them, my kids WILL have their phones with them DURING class, turned off, and if they need detention for having them, I will serve detention for them. My reasoning was, what if there was an emergency, and there was no way to go to their locker, because some gunman was in the hallway?

I also told them that I looked at their cell usage daily, online, and if they use them during school, they got taken away for 2 weeks. And I enforced that, the kids hated it...haha

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Bat_Avenger posted:

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tsingtao2 posted:

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not talking about the banning of cellphones in general, I am talking about the banning of a certian type of clothing because... OMG, you can put a cellphone in there! our HS was going to ban cellphones from school, I told them, my kids WILL have their phones with them DURING class, turned off, and if they need detention for having them, I will serve detention for them. My reasoning was, what if there was an emergency, and there was no way to go to their locker, because some gunman was in the hallway? I also told them that I looked at their cell usage daily, online, and if they use them during school, they got taken away for 2 weeks. And I enforced that, the kids hated it...haha

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such a retarded argument.

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tsingtao2 posted:

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I guess you have never had a child in school where there was a shooting... live through that, and your views will change.

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tsingtao2 posted:

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I guess you have never had a child in school where there was a shooting... live through that, and your views will change.

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tsingtao2 posted:

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yall are missing my point, entirely, its not to call me, or me to call them... its for them to call the cops if needed...

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tsingtao2 posted:

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I guess you have never had a child in school where there was a shooting... live through that, and your views will change.

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tsingtao2 posted:

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I guess you have never had a child in school where there was a shooting... live through that, and your views will change.

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tillsb posted:

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Must be some incompetent kids out there who can't run and dial 911 at the same time

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aurther-the-leader posted:

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why ban boots? seems stupid, if you are having an issue enforcing the ban on cell phones make the punishments for being caught with one much harsher. dont ban boots because thats how they get them in, kids will get the phones in anyway no matter how many articles of clothing they ban. kids could come in the nude and they would still hide their phones.

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Reapist posted:

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aurther-the-leader posted:

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why ban boots? seems stupid, if you are having an issue enforcing the ban on cell phones make the punishments for being caught with one much harsher. dont ban boots because thats how they get them in, kids will get the phones in anyway no matter how many articles of clothing they ban. kids could come in the nude and they would still hide their phones.

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And we could hire Belt to find them!

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NeoKarnak posted:

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tillsb posted:

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Must be some incompetent kids out there who can't run and dial 911 at the same time

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Fractions of seconds matter sometimes. If I know a guy with a gun is just around the corner, I am not stopping to get that phone out of whatever crevice it's hiding in and start dialing. I am getting to safety. The 911 operator isn't going to help me when I am filled full of holes.

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myxomatosis8 posted:

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Nice, but as for stupid, one of our school boards has banned balls. Not the testicular type, but the type that kids could play with and do some exercise outside.

Guess they were too dangerous.

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.-Vega-. posted:

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What's next is a slippery slope.

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tillsb posted:

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NeoKarnak posted:

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tillsb posted:

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Must be some incompetent kids out there who can't run and dial 911 at the same time

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Fractions of seconds matter sometimes. If I know a guy with a gun is just around the corner, I am not stopping to get that phone out of whatever crevice it's hiding in and start dialing. I am getting to safety. The 911 operator isn't going to help me when I am filled full of holes.

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Then I guess you are incompetent also.

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NeoKarnak posted:

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tillsb posted:

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NeoKarnak posted:

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[quote=tillsb]Must be some incompetent kids out there who can't run and dial 911 at the same time

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Fractions of seconds matter sometimes. If I know a guy with a gun is just around the corner, I am not stopping to get that phone out of whatever crevice it's hiding in and start dialing. I am getting to safety. The 911 operator isn't going to help me when I am filled full of holes.

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Then I guess you are incompetent also.

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tillsb posted:

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NeoKarnak posted:

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tillsb posted:

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[quote=NeoKarnak][quote=tillsb]Must be some incompetent kids out there who can't run and dial 911 at the same time

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Fractions of seconds matter sometimes. If I know a guy with a gun is just around the corner, I am not stopping to get that phone out of whatever crevice it's hiding in and start dialing. I am getting to safety. The 911 operator isn't going to help me when I am filled full of holes.

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Then I guess you are incompetent also.

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tillsb posted:

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Why would I need to stop while pulling my phone out?

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GrimTempest posted:

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If cell phones are a problem you make a clear cut rule that any phone disturbing a class is confiscated with the parents needing to pick it up and the kid gets detention.

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aurther-the-leader posted:

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Somebody can get around anything I try with enough effort; therefore, I should make absolutely no effort at all to stop them.

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Cawlin posted:

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I grew up very near Pottstown School District. It does not surprise me one little bit that the school is having a problem with unruly, disruptive students.

Many of you who don't seem to understand the issue sound like you're too close to having been in middle school yourselves to have an opinion on this that matters.

Cell phones are a problem with kids in class, period. Teachers should not have to spend their time policing classrooms and taking away cell phones. Having them hidden in the top of your boot so you can quickly reach down for it and attempt to quickly hide it only encourages doing that. To argue otherwise is stupid.

Yes the school should start a very rigid confiscation policy for the devices, but they would quickly find themselves doing nothing but keeping track of banned devices for parents to come and pick them up and defending themselves in court.

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ikkoikki posted:

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To be fair, I can get much more information with my smart phone than I can in most class rooms these days.

Teachers should be less boring, maybe then kids might pay attention

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ikkoikki posted:

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To be fair, I can get much more information with my smart phone than I can in most class rooms these days.

Teachers should be less boring, maybe then kids might pay attention

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ikkoikki posted:

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Then again, in k-12 school there is often an element of insubordination from kids. I know in my high school there were teachers that the kids didn't respect and terrorized habitually, often unfairly.

If a teacher can't control their classroom and can't beat a cellphone in a game of "who commands more attention", it usually is at least partly their fault.

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NeoKarnak posted:

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I personally like to see parent report cards. I'll bet if government assistance was tied to how well your kid does in school (as well as their attendance), many, many parents would be more involved in their kid's education.

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Akza posted:

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NeoKarnak posted:

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I personally like to see parent report cards. I'll bet if government assistance was tied to how well your kid does in school (as well as their attendance), many, many parents would be more involved in their kid's education.

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Actually that sounds pretty interesting. I wouldn't necessarily do attendance because some kids might have some special circumstances (sick a lot, etc). If the kid misses school but puts in the effort for good grades, then attendance should be somewhat irrelevant.

But the teachers would start getting death threats from the conservative inbreds because their snowflakes are wastes of oxygen and threaten to kill the teacher if they dont raise the kid's grades. Any time you put someone between a welfare case and their money, shit can go south easily.

Still think it's a sweet idea though. Just hard to normalize grading because some teachers are super lame with grades and some give everyone A's because they even bother to show up.

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NeoKarnak posted:

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ikkoikki posted:

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To be fair, I can get much more information with my smart phone than I can in most class rooms these days.

Teachers should be less boring, maybe then kids might pay attention

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You can also get an infinite amount of BS and without a proper education, you'll treat it as gospel.

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Chogram posted:

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While you guys are circlejerking this idea... allow me to impose some real world logic on you.

Criteria for parent grades:

Attendance at parent conferences
I work from 7am to 3:30pm. Conferences usually end at 4 and there are a lot of parents to fit into a very small time frame meaning
that I either have to take a vacation day or just hope that if my child is bad enough you'll send home a note.

That can be remedied by requiring parents to attend if their child is failing. Our conferences are from 5 to 8 PM.

Child grades
A student who struggles with grades may be just as much the schools fault(bullying or a bad teacher) as the parents. If you have
an inattentive teacher and a student who gets his *** beat during recess you may be punishing the wrong people.

This one makes me laugh. Bullying is almost never the issue if the child has low reading or math scores or is a giant pain in the ass in multiple classrooms.

Child unexcused absences
They already do this. Your child misses too much school(edit: I had work here?) they redo the year.

We're talking unexcused absences here.

No responses (due to apathy or bad phone numbers) to teacher-initiated communication
I hope you plan on calling me during your personal after school hours because if you call me at work and it's not
an emergency I'm likely going to hang up on you.

We already do most of our parent calling after school because there is no time to do it during school. I have made special arrangements with parents who cannot be reached during the day. It's the parents who, despite multiple attempts by the teacher, never return a phone call.

Failure of students to bring back signed documents
Because no kids have ever hidden those or thrown them away


Your kid, your responsibility. School communications go home (even dial-outs) and it should be common sense that SOMETHING, a progress report, a report card, a cafeteria or immunization form, SOMETHING is coming down the pipe in the near future. You probably make an effort to keep track of these things, some parents do not.



(Optional) Amount of participation in school activities.
Like what? Your kids's concerts or those ignorant fundraisers that the PTO hold
every other damn month? Some of us would rather spend our short times at home with the
kids instead of around 1000 unruly children and teachers.
If my kid is performing I'll be there, but I'll be damned if I'm going to waste my time at Trick or Trunk or "Pay $10 for a hotdog" night.

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Chogram posted:

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Bullying has no effect on classroom performance?

Are you sure that you work with kids?

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NeoKarnak posted:

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Chogram posted:

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Bullying has no effect on classroom performance?

Are you sure that you work with kids?

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It's rare and you can usually spot it in the school year (a student starts off well, then drops off considerably and the absences start to increase). However, a low reading or math score (we're talking 2-3 grades behind) is usually not caused by bullying.

I have been working with kids for as long as you've been alive (if I recall your age correctly).

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Chogram posted:

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NeoKarnak posted:

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Chogram posted:

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Bullying has no effect on classroom performance?

Are you sure that you work with kids?

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It's rare and you can usually spot it in the school year (a student starts off well, then drops off considerably and the absences start to increase). However, a low reading or math score (we're talking 2-3 grades behind) is usually not caused by bullying.

I have been working with kids for as long as you've been alive (if I recall your age correctly).

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All of the articles that I see on Google disagree with your stance.

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RavofMT posted:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaoLU6zKaws

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Chogram posted:

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RavofMT posted:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaoLU6zKaws

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That video would be so much more epic if the guy could actually play well.

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