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Ok, say you took a class but had to drop out halfway through, so you end up having to take the same class again.
Since you never really got credits for an essay you wrote the first time, do you think it's ethical to use it the second time around?
it's not plagiarized, as you did write it yourself.
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This isn't even an ethics question. Of course.
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Itab posted:
This isn't even an ethics question. Of course.
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of course you can, its yours silly
now is it the same teacher and would they know you are just repeating your work efforts?
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You are looking at school all wrong.
You want to try and get as much education as you can for your money. The teachers don't care if you learn or not. So in the interest of furthering your education you should re-do it.
Remember, you are trying to suck out as much info as you can for your money.
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no you rewrite your entire essay and cite yourself
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no you rewrite your entire essay and cite yourself
ROFL, that would be hilarious
Edit: I'm mostly concerned because they use software to find plagiarized work, stealing essays from other students is pretty popular these days I guess. Since I've submitted the essay previously to the same school, same class, different teacher.... that's probably going to come up in the search.
I'm not concerned about learning much in English 101, when I took the placement test I got 100/100 and 99/100 on the two tests... but I get stuck in the same class as someone who got 70/100 70/100.
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If that is the case then yes it will flag it. What is bad is it might also flag another essay you write yourself because it is too similar to the ones you did the first time in style etc.
If the professor is at all decent you could show him the essays you had turned in for the first run through, explain what happened that forced you to drop the class midstream and he might not have you redo them.
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At my school, if you have turned it in previously, even for a different class, it is considered cheating.
If you had written it and then dropped the class before turning it in, it would be fine, but if you turned it in you should do it again. Just the threat of having plagiarism on your record is worth spending some time knocking out another one.
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is it ethical that professors shop around for the best book deal kickback from publishers to use their very expensive shiny new text with the classes they teach?
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Before you just re-submit this essay, why not go up to the professor and explain the situation? The worst case is that he/she will ask you to write an entirely new essay, and you get credit for being honest up front.
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Before you just re-submit this essay, why not go up to the professor and explain the situation? The worst case is that he/she will ask you to write an entirely new essay, and you get credit for being honest up front.
because it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
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Isn't it very unlikely to get caught?
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Kordirn posted:
Isn't it very unlikely to get caught?
There was a warning the first day of class about plagiarizing, but it said zilch about submitting something for credit that was written previously, in my mind it makes perfect sense to get credit for something I've written and didn't previously get credit for as long as it fits the parameters of the assignment. I just wondered if anyone else considered it sketchy.
I can't get kicked out of school or the class for doing it, if it comes up at all in researching it will have my name on it so they can't accuse me of wrongdoing.
Anyway, It doesn't really seem much different than the regurgitated class work that the teachers give to each class, the same lessons all the time.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
Kordirn posted:
Isn't it very unlikely to get caught?
There was a warning the first day of class about plagiarizing, but it said zilch about submitting something for credit that was written previously, in my mind it makes perfect sense to get credit for something I've written and didn't previously get credit for as long as it fits the parameters of the assignment. I just wondered if anyone else considered it sketchy.
It's still plagiarism, just self plagiarism which is basically the same thing. I'd say talk to the instructor and find out what he says and what the schools policy is on that, in all likely hood it will be not allowed. Then again the instructor might not care. Or just quote your whole paper parts of the paper and cite yourself.
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polemistis posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
Kordirn posted:
Isn't it very unlikely to get caught?
There was a warning the first day of class about plagiarizing, but it said zilch about submitting something for credit that was written previously, in my mind it makes perfect sense to get credit for something I've written and didn't previously get credit for as long as it fits the parameters of the assignment. I just wondered if anyone else considered it sketchy.
It's still plagiarism, just self plagiarism which is basically the same thing. I'd say talk to the instructor and find out what he says and what the schools policy is on that, in all likely hood it will be not allowed. Then again the instructor might not care. Or just quote your whole paper parts of the paper and cite yourself.
There is no such thing as self plagiarism.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
polemistis posted:
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[quote=Kordirn]Isn't it very unlikely to get caught?
There was a warning the first day of class about plagiarizing, but it said zilch about submitting something for credit that was written previously, in my mind it makes perfect sense to get credit for something I've written and didn't previously get credit for as long as it fits the parameters of the assignment. I just wondered if anyone else considered it sketchy.
It's still plagiarism, just self plagiarism which is basically the same thing. I'd say talk to the instructor and find out what he says and what the schools policy is on that, in all likely hood it will be not allowed. Then again the instructor might not care. Or just quote your whole paper parts of the paper and cite yourself.
There is no such thing as self plagiarism.[/quote]
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At my university it was considered plagiarism to use anything you had written before, again. I'd probably talk to the teacher about it before. S/he could burn you.
We used to have to submit the papers to this document checker and it would see if it had been submitted before through any other school.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
Stormyblade posted:
Before you just re-submit this essay, why not go up to the professor and explain the situation? The worst case is that he/she will ask you to write an entirely new essay, and you get credit for being honest up front.
because it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
Not at my school when it came to plagiarism. If the computer spit back something suspicious (and it did once for one of my kids) you went right to the Chair of the Dept.
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At my school there was a form you could fill out if you wanted to submit a paper for more than one class you were taking.. I am not sure about resubmitting during a later semester, but I would think it falls in the same category.
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I have re-used essays and reports for various classes, just tailored the content to fit my needs.
For example, I authored a article that was published in navy times and some other navy safety magazines, that I am turning in as a paper for advanced composition.
I wrote the article its mine so plagiarism isnt a issue, just to cover my ass I will cite my self as the source.
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For us I guess after looking it up, it's not considered plagiarism, it's considered academic dishonesty because you're submitting it as if it is for the assignment from a current teacher and this gives you an advantage over others in the same class. It still falls under the cheating umbrella of things that will get you an F in the class though for us.
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I can't imagine the issue. Not that I ever had the opportunity to use the same paper for more than one class.
But if it's a different class, different professor, but somehow the paper subjects line up...what's the problem? I'm not plagiarizing, or stealing it. I'm working more efficiently.
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if the original eassy was never submitted, then yea it is wrong and you wont get in trouble
if the original eassy was submitted in the same class you are taking and you get caught, get ready to see the dean
if you had an eassy or project for one class and used it for another class and you get caught, get ready to see the dean
there are very few things that are worse then academic disiplain on your transcripts/ if you want to go to grad school and have this on your transcript, pretty much kiss that dream goodbye
dont be lazy, re-write a new eassy. Eassys are so easy to write....when i was in school people complained about 10 page eassys. wippy do dah. there not even 10 pages since 99% of teachers require double space
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purplehugmonkey posted:
For us I guess after looking it up, it's not considered plagiarism, it's considered academic dishonesty
Bingo! Beat me to it. It's not plagiarism. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's kosher to do this. It won't get you blacklisted, but it could get you a failing grade for the class.
Talk to the professor. Most are cool and even complimentary about reusing prior works. Don't take the chance that they aren't.
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If you tell the prof what you are doing their shouldn't be a problem. I'd probably review it and improve a little before re-submitting but that's just me. Whatever the two of you work out.
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Class policy is this.
I expect honesty. I expect that you will neither do work for others nor use work done by others. Cheating and/or plagiarizing will not be tolerated. Plagiarizing is cheating, as is copying answers on a test, glancing at nearby test papers, swapping papers, buying papers, using ideas from other sources without proper documentation, writing papers for others, or having them written for you.
The school policy is identical to the class policy. There is nothing else listed about "academic dishonesty".
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Jezza_Belle posted:
Class policy is this.
I expect honesty. I expect that you will neither do work for others nor use work done by others. Cheating and/or plagiarizing will not be tolerated. Plagiarizing is cheating, as is copying answers on a test, glancing at nearby test papers, swapping papers, buying papers, using ideas from other sources without proper documentation, writing papers for others, or having them written for you.
The school policy is identical to the class policy. There is nothing else listed about "academic dishonesty".
It seems you are talking policy, not ethics. It is possible to follow policy and remain unethical. Joe Paterno comes to mind.
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I don't think it's unethical. If it's not in the policy for your school, I wouldn't worry about it.
You could always just argue that you didn't think it would be against the rules if they called you on it, since the policy doesn't say anything about reusing work. Ours just happens to specifically mention and forbid it.
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didn't read the whole thread...
but...if you didn't turn it in to a submission website (turnitin.com for example), I don't see how they could possibly know unless it's the same teacher and he/she had graded it the first time your wrote it. If the teacher had already graded it, then I'd say it's probably best to redo it or at least change/add to it...
talk to the teacher, see if you can reuse it, or see if you can just add to it/use it as a base.
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